EXALT Podcast

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Resource extraction impacts our daily lives and has helped push the climate to the brink, but there are people around the world living and fighting for alternative ways forward. Join hosts Christopher Chagnon and Sophia Hagolani-Albov and their guests on the last Friday of each month for a discussion of the impacts of extractivisms, alternative ways forward, and stories from people living the struggle every day. If you are someone interested in how our environment and societies have come to their current state or learning about different ways we can move forward, this is the podcast for you.

  1. MAR 27

    Ortwin Renn - What hope do we have of tackling the polycrisis?

    This month we were honored to sit down with Professor Ortwin Renn to talk about the concept of polycrisis. Ortwin works with the World Academy Info Hub, Existential Threats and Risks to All InfoHub (EXTRA), as the Director of Systemic Risk Research. This episode is the second produced in collaboration with the join EXTRA/EXALT webinar “Is Extractivism a Prime Cause of the Polycrisis?” (see link below). Ortwin is social scientist focusing on risk governance who has had a long and storied career. Currently, he serves as a professor emeritus for environmental sociology and technology assessment at the University of Stuttgart and directs the non-profit company DIALOGIK, a research institute for the investigation of communication and participation processes. In our conversation we talk about sustainable practices and how they can be implemented in society. We start our conversation with how Ortwin got involved with sustainability and how he discovered his interest in social movements and particularly why people get involved in social movements, especially focuses on technology and how there can be a livable co-evolution between nature and society. Ortwin shared that one of the biggest developments he has seen over his career is that it used to feel like we were facing one crisis at a time, while today is feels like there are multiple, interconnected crisis. Join us for this insightful conversation on polycrisis and its existential and practical implications! Want to learn more about Ortwin’s academic work? See: His profile at the Research Institute for Sustainability https://www.rifs-potsdam.de/en/people/ortwin-renn and the non-profit DIALOGIK https://www.dialogik-expert.de/en  Want to learn more about his work at the World Academy? Check out the EXTRA website. https://worldacademy.org/extra/  Want to check out the webinar co-hosted by EXTRA and EXALT, “Is Extractivism a Prime Cause of the Polycrisis?” You can find it on the EXTRA YouTube channel. https://youtu.be/emyOYEh2oZQ?si=dxkaNNIjWcqInwfP

    40 min

  2. FEB 27

    Thomas Reuter - Is extractivism at the heart of existential threats to the world?

    This month we are delighted to be in conversation with Thomas Reuter, a Professor at the Asia Institute of The University of Melbourne. His research focuses on transformative social change, food systems, and transitions to sustainability in Asia and beyond. He is on the board of the World Academy (WAAS) and serves as the Chair of the Existential Threats and Risks to All InfoHub (EXTRA). In this conversation we learned about Thomas’ academic development and how he got interested in extractivism as a concept. Thomas has worked extensively in Indonesia, especially looking at the food systems and the devastating effects of plantation agriculture. Thomas gives us some insight into the enduring colonial legacy in modern extractivist ventures. We started the conversation learning about the changes in Indonesia over the past several decades, from the dominance of subsistence agriculture to “modern” monocultural agriculture. The knock-on effects from this “development” extend to land use, health, labor relations, and the rise of cash economies, among many others. We discussed the role of consumption and our societal values and their environmental impact. Join us for this wide-ranging and insightful conversation!! Want to learn more about Thomas’s academic work and engagement? See: His ResearchGate Profile and His LinkedIn Want to learn more about his work at the World Academy? Check out the EXTRA website. Want to check out the webinar co-hosted by EXTRA and EXALT, “Is Extractivism a Prime Cause of the Polycrisis?” You can find it on the EXTRA YouTube channel.

    1h 5m

  3. JAN 30

    Vivian Price - How can film help give labor a greater voice for a just energy transition?

    This month we were delighted to have a conversation with Vivian Price, a visiting researcher at the University of Helsinki. Presently she is working with Janette Kotivirta, Doctoral researcher in World Politics at University of Helsinki, on a video dialogue project on just transitions. Vivian comes to Helsinki from California State University Dominguez Hills, where she is a Professor in Interdisciplinary, Environmental and Women's Studies. Vivian shares insight with us about her blue-collar work history and long-term experience working to strengthen labour and environmental standards. Prior to earning her doctorate as a non-traditional student, Vivian worked in restaurants, offices, and as a union member in factories, refineries, and construction sites, which served to develop and deepen her understanding of working-class struggles. She has also been an apprenticeship instructor and officer in the International Brother (& Sister) -hood of Electrical Workers, and once a professor, became an officer in the California Faculty Association. Vivian looks at climate justice through the lens of the worker, with the hope of connecting unions, scientists, communities, and environmentalists. This is a fresh perspective and allows us to explore new spaces in the discussion on the impacts of extractivism.  Vivian wishes to share a message of solidarity with our brothers and sisters in the US resisting ICE. We support this message and also stand in solidarity. If you would like to learn more about Vivian’s work, please check out the links below.  Vivian’s University Profile https://www.csudh.edu/labor-studies/faculty/vivian-price  Feature-length documentaries Hammering It Out (2000, 56 min) Distributor, Women Make Movies Description here  Transnational Tradeswomen (2006, 56 min) Distributor, Women Make Movies Description here Harvest of Loneliness (2010, 56 min) Distributor, Film Media Group. Description here Shorts on Just Transition Talking Union Talking Climate (2023, 15 mins) Three oil workers (a Nigerian, a Norwegian and a Californian) have a conversation about what it's like to be a unionist, how their companies view unions, how their companies distribute profits, and their views on climate change and the future of the oil industry. Based on research with the WAGE team at the University of Oslo and OsloMet. Voices from the green transition (2025, 14 mins) How are workers and communities experiencing the transition away from coal in South Africa and the extraction of lithium in Chile? This short film highlighting the ideas of marginalized groups is based on research from the Just Transition: action, concepts, debates and strategies research project at the University of Leeds.Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7GOu9hUsF4

    53 min
  4. TreesForDev - Aude Péronne & Maria Ehrnström-Fuentes - How can reciprocal labor be used to support communities and commons?

    JAN 27 ·  BONUS

    TreesForDev - Aude Péronne & Maria Ehrnström-Fuentes - How can reciprocal labor be used to support communities and commons?

    In this very special bonus episode of the TreesForDev podcast we are joined by Project PI Maria Ehrnström-Fuentes and Péronne. Aude describes herself as catalyzer and designer for positive systemic change in local communities worldwide, with a special expertise on ecosystem stewardship and community development and the coordination of the commons. We start the conversation with insight into Aude’s background and how she got involved in ecological restoration. Aude works on several different layers—the ecological, the social, and the economic—always with a focus on the ways in which people relate to each other and the environment. She is currently working in Kenya at Grassroots Economics looking at questions of how to transform a degraded economy into an economy that is good for all. In particular she works on implementation of rotational labor associations where members of the community work together for the good of the community. Aude gives us practiced based insights into how this reciprocal, trust-based system works.  Learn more about Aude work and read her article on Substack https://substack.com/@audeperonne?utm_source=user-menu  Connect with Aude on Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/aude-p%C3%A9ronne-153975250/  Learn more about the Trees For Development project here www.treesfordev.fi

    1h 3m

  5. 12/26/2025

    Tom Royer - How do the earth and space exist in a continuum of sustainability (or unsustainability)?

    This month we were delighted to be joined by Tom Royer who is a Visiting Researcher at the Arctic Centre and a Doctoral Researcher at the Faculty of Law at University of Lapland. Tom’s work revolves around commercial space ports in the arctic from a more-than-human perspective. This work combines critical legal studies, multispecies justice, and extractivism. These space ports are hubs where commercial spacecraft are stored, worked on, launched, and re-entered (sometimes whole, sometimes not). The Arctic is not a new venue for commercial space activities, with some ports having a more than 50-year history. This is partially because satellites orbiting the poles can circle the globe in a single day. Tom opens a whole world to us in relation to commercial space ports and gives us a lot of food for thought in terms of impacts of these operations.  Tom would like to make sure listeners are aware that everything he says during the episode is his own critical interpretations rather than simple factual statements. While his arguments map onto existing critical literature, they are still his own interpretation of his and, therefore, stand as supported analytical claims.  Want to learn more about Tom’s work? Check out his university profile https://research.ulapland.fi/en/persons/tom-royer/  Check out High North News https://www.highnorthnews.com/en  Check out Barents Observer https://www.thebarentsobserver.com/  Check out Keeptrack.space https://keeptrack.space/

    53 min

  6. 11/28/2025

    Sabaheta Ramcilović-Suominen - How can radical intraconnectedness help address the global polycrisis?

    This month we are delighted to have a conversation with Sabaheta Ramcilović-Suominen, who is an Associate Professor in International Forest Policy and Governance at the Natural Resources Institute, Finland (LUKE). Saba talks to us about her contributions to the recently published, open access book, Socioecological Transformations: Linking Ontologies with Structures, Personal with Collective Change. Sabaheta has a dual role in this book, as a chapter contributor and as the editor. We start the conversation with some insights into Sabaheta’s personal journey into research and how she got to be interested in concepts like non-duality and inner change in the context of working toward sustainability.  This episode particularly covers the concept of separation, as a root cause of socioecological distress and alienation, and radical intraconnectedness, as a lens that tackles the illusion of separation and how that informs the wider literature on socioecological transformations. Sabaheta also gives us a sneak peek into the five or six opening chapters, and some of the topics and concepts tackled there. Thus, many of the important contributions and chapters are not introduced or discussed. If you are interested to learn more about the book, please check it out here https://library.oapen.org/viewer/web/viewer.html?file=/bitstream/handle/20.500.12657/104337/9781040406724.pdf?sequence=1&isA.  In addition, if you would like to hear more, there is a digital Book Launch on 9.12.2025, which will spotlight many of the chapters not covered in this episode. More information on the book launch here: https://justglobeproject.com/book-launch-socioecological-transformations-linking-ontologies-with-structures-personal-with-collective-change-part-ii/. If you would like to learn more about Sabaheta’s work, please check out her latest project website https://justglobeproject.com/ and her research profile  https://www.luke.fi/en/experts/sabaheta-ramciloviksuominen.

    50 min

  7. 10/31/2025

    Georgia de Leeuw - How can psychoanalysis explain the Seductiveness of Extractivism and Techno-solutionism?

    This month we are honored to be joined by Georgia de Leeuw who is a post-doctoral researcher in Human Rights Studies at Lund University. Georgia’s research has focused on Swedish mining and steel transition, in which steel is produced with hydrogen instead of coal. We start the conversation talking about Swedish exceptionalism and what this means in relation to mining. This opens into a more general discussion of the colonial project and how it has played out in the Nordic context. Within the Nordic context, while colonialism did not often include crossing an ocean, there has still been intense colonial activity in the north and continuing violations of Indigenous rights. We then continue into discussing the role of techno optimism and how extractivism is framed by industry as a positive project, something that is required for development and survival. Georgia looks at advocates and resistance to mining and green steel through the lens of psychoanalysis. Join us for this amazing conversation! Would you like to learn more about Georgia’s work? https://portal.research.lu.se/en/persons/georgia-de-leeuw Artists and other resources mentioned in the show: Reindeer herder and co-author of forthcoming article: Rickard Länta, leading figure in the Sami resistance against mining in Jåhkågasska reindeer herding community Authors: Elin Anna Labba, Ann-Helén Laestadius Movies: Stolen (2024) accessible on Neflix, based on the book by Ann-Helen Laestadius Let the River Flow (2023) Artists: Anders Sunna, Timimie Märak and Maxida Märak, Sofia Jannok

    51 min

  8. 09/26/2025

    Markus Kröger - What path dependencies determine if a forest is Clearcut? (Clearcut book discussion)

    (UPDATE: Open access book out now! Link below) This month we are delighted to be joined by Markus Kröger, professor of Global Development Studies at University of Helsinki. Markus has joined the show before as a founder of the EXALT Initiative and as a PI in the Trees for Development project. This time Markus is here to talk to us about his new book from University of Cambridge Press, Clearcut: Political Economies of Deforestation. This open access book will be published open access in October 2025. Markus gives us a sneak peek into the key topics of the book, primarily the mechanisms of regionally dominant political economies (RDPE) and the role they play in driving extractive sectors. To make this novel theorization, Markus looked at cattle capitalism in Brazil, narco-gold in the Amazon, and paper pulping in Finland. Markus shows how these three different RDPEs drive deforestation in their respective locations.   Interested in reading Clearcut? (Open access out now!) https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/clearcut/8BBC0BFBF9AF30A01D4A1F6F6DA8E89C Interested in learning more about Markus’ work? https://researchportal.helsinki.fi/en/persons/markus-kr%C3%B6ger   Interest in the Trees For Development Project? https://www.helsinki.fi/en/researchgroups/trees-for-development

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Resource extraction impacts our daily lives and has helped push the climate to the brink, but there are people around the world living and fighting for alternative ways forward. Join hosts Christopher Chagnon and Sophia Hagolani-Albov and their guests on the last Friday of each month for a discussion of the impacts of extractivisms, alternative ways forward, and stories from people living the struggle every day. If you are someone interested in how our environment and societies have come to their current state or learning about different ways we can move forward, this is the podcast for you.

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    EXALT Initiative
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    2020 - 2026
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