Exit Algorithms

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Unlock growth, streamline operations, and prepare your business for a high-value exit. Exit Algorithms features founders, 3PL leaders, and forward-thinking execs who share proven strategies for leveraging technology, automation, and AI to maximize value so you can scale smarter and sell stronger. Tailored for business owners who want to grow, scale, and plan a successful exit.

  1. 22H AGO

    Nuclear Verdicts, AI & 3PL Scaling: Trucking Safety Secrets | Bobby McClain (#43)

    Transportation safety, nuclear verdicts, autonomous vehicles, and 3PL scaling strategy from one of the most credentialed safety professionals in trucking. Bobby McClain, Certified Director of Safety, Certified Transportation Professional, and CEO of Arbitrage Logistics, joins Exit Algorithms to break down what carriers and 3PLs are getting dangerously wrong and what it will cost them. Bobby has over 35 years of experience in safety, risk management, HR, and 3PL operations with senior leadership roles at ABF Freight, Ward Transport, and JJ Keller. He started as a driver after the Army, crossed from union leadership into corporate management, and completed an AI course at MIT to make sure his opinions were grounded in real education. We cover: – Why a single missing non-scoring item in a driver qualification file like a road test can turn a routine claim into a nuclear verdict worth tens of millions – Why passing a DOT audit with a satisfactory rating means nothing if your DQ files are not pristine for the plaintiff attorney – What NLRA Section 7 and 8 actually protect in non-union environments and why most business owners do not know their employees have nearly the same rights as unionized workers – How Bobby identifies a fake culture within 10 minutes of walking into a company – Where autonomous vehicle technology actually stands on a level one to five scale and what breakthrough is needed to get to full autonomy – The helium supply chain risk nobody is talking about and why a Qatar bottleneck could disrupt chip production, AI, and fleet technology simultaneously – Why the wrong 3PL client can bankrupt you faster than any market downturn Connect with Bobby on LinkedIn at Bobby McClain or at bobby@arbitragelogistics.com. Ready to grow and plan your exit? Visit www.BizExitGrow.com. Related episodes: – Ep. 42: Safety Scores, Clean Books and Smarter Exits with Erik Hansen – Ep. 40: $450M in Deals and the M&A Playbook with Marty Fahncke 00:00 Intro: Meet Bobby McClain, CEO of Arbitrage Logistics 01:15 Army, trucking, ABF Freight, and crossing from union to corporate 03:32 Why hiring from the driver ranks builds better safety leadership 05:55 The ROI of safety and why the CFO always questions the spend 06:13 DQ files, non-scoring items, and how one missing road test becomes a nuclear verdict 10:41 Vicarious liability and preparing beyond what the auditor asks 12:49 What non-union employers get dangerously wrong about employee rights 17:14 Building Arbitrage Logistics lean from the ground up 18:31 AI in transportation: MIT course, autonomy levels, and the truth in the middle 23:37 Autonomous vehicles, Aurora's Texas lanes, and the legal liability gap 27:00 The helium supply chain risk and what it means for chips and logistics 31:30 Bobby's practical tip for 3PLs and trucking companies #ExitAlgorithms #TruckingIndustry #TransportationSafety #NuclearVerdicts #3PL #AutonomousVehicles #AIinTransportation #FleetManagement #ScaleSmarter #SellStronger

    37 min

  2. 1D AGO

    Safety Scores, Clean Books & Smarter Exits for Trucking Companies | Erik Hansen (#42)

    Safety scores, compliance, and bookkeeping strategy for trucking companies and fleet operators looking to scale and exit smarter. Erik Hansen, Certified Director of Safety and founder of Consolidated Business Services (CBS), breaks down why compliance and safety are not the same thing, how poor safety scores kill your business valuation at exit, and how he grew CBS through a strategic acquisition. We cover: – Why compliance and safety are not the same thing, and why 15 years of e-log mandates have not prevented a single accident – How a poor ISS safety score signals a leadership problem to buyers and destroys your valuation at exit – Why cutting your safety and maintenance departments is one of the most expensive mistakes a carrier can make – How Erik acquired Wild and Associates, retained 100% of staff, and rebuilt client trust after a failed prior sale – Why CBS has a strict no-AI policy in bookkeeping, and where AI does belong in transportation safety – How telematics tools like Motive and Samsara generate real ROI through driver scorecards and incident detection – Erik's practical tips: do not grow faster than you can control, reassess constantly, and stay as debt-free as possible 00:00 Intro: Meet Erik Hansen, founder of CBS 01:23 Erik's background: Army, trucking, and building CBS during COVID 04:08 Acquiring Wild and Associates: how he made the transition seamless 06:53 How CBS audits new clients across safety, compliance, and bookkeeping 09:09 Compliance vs. safety: why your CSA score is not the full picture 13:10 How safety scores directly impact business valuation at exit 16:17 AI in bookkeeping: why CBS prohibits it and what went wrong for other clients 18:28 Telematics, Motive, Samsara, and where AI does belong in transportation 22:14 Erik's practical tips for business owners Connect with Erik: cbsvc.com or erik@cbsvc.com or 307-445-1372 Ready to grow and plan your exit? Visit www.BizExitGrow.com Related episodes: Ep. 40: $450M in Deals and the M&A Playbook with Marty Fahncke Ep. 41: Business Exit Planning, Trusts and Taxes with Jeff Condren #ExitAlgorithms #TruckingBusiness #SafetyCompliance #FleetManagement #BusinessExit #ExitPlanning #GrowthThroughAcquisition #TransportationIndustry #ScaleSmarter #SellStronger

    21 min

  3. 5D AGO

    Turn Your Business Exit Into Generational Wealth | Jeff Condren (#41)

    In this episode, I sit down with Jeff Condren, Certified Financial Planner and Senior Vice President at Mesirow Wealth Management, a Barron's Top 100 RIA firm with over $11 billion in assets under management. Jeff was named a Forbes 2024 Best in State Top Next Gen Wealth Advisor and has spent two decades guiding business owners and families through the most complex and consequential financial decisions of their lives. If you have ever wondered what to do with your money before, during, and after you sell your business, this episode was made for you. We cover: – The single biggest financial mistake business owners make: treating the exit as a transaction instead of a multi-year planning event, and why the best exits need at least 24 to 36 months of preparation, ideally 4 to 5 years. – What Jeff's pre-sale checklist actually looks like: S-Corp vs. C-Corp structure, small business stock eligibility, trust strategies, pre-sale gifting, estate planning, charitable giving, valuation gap analysis, and whether relocating to a different state before the sale makes financial sense. – Why separating your identity from the business is the single most important mindset shift a first-generation founder can make, and why it is also the foundation of multi-generational wealth. – The 1 to 2 percent per year strategy: how to slowly move assets outside the business over a decade or more so your entire net worth is never sitting in one place when something goes wrong. – The Bucket Strategy for post-exit proceeds: how to divide your liquidity into what you can never risk, what you plan to spend in the near term, and what you want to grow across generations. – Why lifestyle creep is one of the most dangerous threats to exit wealth, and how trusts create the governance and structure needed to protect the plan from family pressure and reactive decisions. – How GRATs, charitable trusts, donor-advised funds, and second-to-die life insurance policies can protect and grow family wealth long after the sale closes. – Jeff's one practical tip for every business owner: pay yourself first by setting up a non-negotiable monthly transfer to an investment account, because consistency in building outside assets will always beat trying to time the market. Connect with Jeff at mesirow.com or search "Jeff Condren" on LinkedIn. Ready to grow and plan your exit? Visit www.BizExitGrow.com.

    28 min

  4. 6D AGO

    $450M in Deals & the M&A Playbook: Double Your Biz Through Acquisition | Marty Fahncke (#40)

    In this episode, I sit down with Marty Fahncke, certified M&A advisor, founder of Westbound Road, and one of the most experienced dealmakers you will ever hear from. Marty has over 35 years of marketing experience, has personally executed over $450 million in acquisitions, and has represented about a billion dollars in total growth and sales across his career. He learned his biggest exit lesson the hard way when he sold his first company for $1.5 million cash, only to later calculate that equity in the roll-up would have been worth $24 million. This episode is essential listening for any business owner thinking about buying a competitor, preparing to sell, or just trying to build a more valuable company from the ground up. We discuss: – How Marty went from selling vacuums and water purifiers as a teenager to becoming a QVC-certified presenter, to building and selling his first business for $1.5 million, to growing a PE-backed company from $80 million to $600 million a year through acquisition. – The $1.5M vs. $24M lesson: why accepting all cash in a roll-up acquisition was the most expensive decision Marty ever made, and what he would have negotiated for instead. – How marketing skills translate directly into M&A advisory, and why Westbound Road averages 5 offers per deal and has had as many as 12 competing buyers on a single transaction. – Why growth through acquisition is lower risk than organic scaling, and how buying your competitor can instantly double revenue, cut customer acquisition costs, and remove market fragmentation. – How to finance an acquisition with little to no money out of pocket using SBA expansion loans, revenue-based funding, asset-based lending, 401K borrowing, home equity, and other people's money. Westbound Road has over 230 financing strategies on file. – Why Marty recommends starting exit prep 3 years before you plan to sell, and the real factors that move the needle on valuation beyond the usual key man risk and customer concentration advice. – The homegrown CRM mistake that cost one client approximately $1 million at sale, and why beginning with the end in mind is the most important strategic principle for any business owner. – How offshore versus domestic staffing decisions can substantially increase or destroy your valuation depending on the industry you are in. – The tax mitigation trap: why saving 20 cents in taxes by hiding profit costs you $5 in business valuation at a 5X multiple, and why you need to shift to profit maximization at least 3 years before your exit. – How Westbound Road uses AI defensively: running buyer simulations before bringing a deal to market to anticipate and pre-address every concern a buyer's AI would flag. – The 5 D's and a B: divorce, disease, death, debt, disagreements, and burnout. Why every business owner will exit eventually, and why most are not prepared for it. Connect with Marty at westboundroad.com or search "Marty Fahncke" on LinkedIn. Ready to grow and plan your exit? Visit www.BizExitGrow.com.

    33 min

  5. 6D AGO

    From Chiropractor to Roll-Up CEO: Healthcare, EOS & AI | Dr. Justin Brown (#39)

    In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Justin Brown, a chiropractor turned serial entrepreneur who has built one of the most compelling healthcare roll-up stories in the upper cervical chiropractic space. He is the owner of Friends and Family Spinal Care, CEO of Serve Bigger Collective, and co-founder of iHelp Moms, an on-demand parenting platform connecting experts to parents globally. Justin grew up in a multi-generational family of business owners, discovered chiropractic after a soccer injury led to chronic fatigue syndrome, and has now trained over 35 chiropractors, acquired 3 practices in the last 10 months, and has plans to acquire 30 more over the next 5 years. This episode is a masterclass for any service-based business owner who wants to scale through acquisition, build enterprise value in a fragmented industry, and actually get out of the day-to-day. We discuss: – How a soccer collision led to a chronic fatigue diagnosis, which led Justin to discover upper cervical chiropractic care, and ultimately to building a 20-year career in a niche practiced by only 3,000 of the world's 75,000 chiropractors. – How Justin transitioned from being the hands-on clinician seeing patients all day to spending 50% of his time on acquisitions and deal flow, and why the E-Myth concept of getting out of the kitchen was the key unlock. – The roll-up thesis behind Serve Bigger Collective: why the upper cervical chiropractic industry is deeply fragmented, why most practices never sell and doctors work 35 to 55 years for poor or zero exit value, and how consolidation creates enterprise value where none existed before. – How Justin is taking individual practices with a 1X or 2X EBITDA multiple and building toward an 8X to 12X enterprise valuation through organization, shared resources, recurring revenue, and operational excellence. – Why private equity and family offices love fragmented healthcare industries, and what it takes to professionalize a niche well enough to attract institutional capital. – The intrapreneurship model: how Justin retains the chiropractors he acquires by creating a structure where staying inside the collective is more financially compelling than going out on their own, including salary, profit share, and equity upside. – The holding company structure: how Justin built a holding company overseeing a managed service organization with a CFO, CMO, and controller that services all operating entities, creating the backbone for scalable growth. – How Serve Bigger doubled some practices within 6 months of acquisition through community, shared marketing, buying power, and operational alignment. – People and leadership as the core operating principle: why EOS and the traction framework, training systems, meeting rhythms, and clarity around vision and role have been the real engine of growth. – The danger of AI negotiating against AI in M&A deals and why human context is still irreplaceable in deal flow and due diligence. – How Justin uses AI for pro forma modeling, financial analysis, deal scenarios, comp structure design, and even real estate amortization schedules. Connect with Dr. Justin Brown on Instagram at @DrJustinBrown, visit servebigger.com for more, or reach out at servebigger@gmail.com. Check out iHelpMoms.com if you have kids ages 0 to 10. Ready to grow and plan your exit? Visit www.BizExitGrow.com.

    41 min

  6. MAR 24

    2 Exits, $3B in Deal Flow & the M&A Playbook with John MacInnes (#38)

    In this episode, I sit down with John MacInnes, MIT-trained serial entrepreneur, YPO member, and founder of SimAmplify, a platform connecting M&A advisors with qualified buyers that has already facilitated over $3 billion in deal flow in just its first year. John built Print Audit from his basement into a global software company over 20 years before selling it, then sold Payroll Rewards to American Express, and is now on a mission to help founders get the best possible exit through SimAmplify. This episode is essential for any business owner thinking about selling, scaling, or simply building a more valuable company from day one. We discuss: – John's journey from selling his parents' books to secondhand bookstores as a kid, to running a painting franchise in college, to building a 20-year global software company from his basement. – How Print Audit grew from a one-man basement operation into a global powerhouse by hiring based on values, building a product that created genuine switching costs, and transitioning to recurring revenue. – The hook strategy: how bundling free software into a SaaS subscription made customers nearly impossible to leave, and why recurring revenue is the single most valuable asset you can build for a future sale. – The near-death experience that almost killed Print Audit when their biggest customer, Ricoh, acquired a competitor, and how diversifying from one large customer to hundreds of smaller ones saved the company and tripled its value. – The three biggest mistakes business owners make when preparing to sell: customer concentration above 20%, messy finances that do not match what buyers expect to see, and being the linchpin of the company instead of delegating. – Why the best time to start preparing for your exit was 5 years ago and the second best time is today, and why everything you do to get ready to sell also makes the business run better anyway. – How to choose the right advisor based on your revenue size: brokers for main street businesses under $1M, M&A advisors for the $2M to $5M and above range, and investment bankers for large mid-market deals. – Why you should interview at least 5 advisors, ask for industry-specific references, and watch out for advisors who make more money on upfront fees than on actually closing deals. – How John uses Claude and AI to automate LinkedIn posting, generate buyer profiles, classify deal industries, and run weekly deal reviews across $2 billion in live transactions on SimAmplify. – Where AI is going in M&A: why junior analyst roles at investment banks are already being replaced, and what that means for the next generation entering the workforce. Connect with John and visit www.cimaplify.com.

    32 min

  7. MAR 22

    Cut Excess Inventory, Unlock Cash Flow & Forecast Smarter with Alex Maibaum (#37)

    In this episode, I sit down with Alex Maibaum, founder and CEO of Predictive Supply Chain Solutions, a cloud-based software and consulting firm that helps mid-size businesses forecast smarter, cut excess inventory, and unlock serious cash flow. Alex is a supply chain veteran who has operated inside high-growth, hyper-accelerating businesses and built his platform specifically because the right tool did not exist for the operators who needed it most. This episode is a must-listen for any product-based business owner who is sitting on too much inventory, struggling with cash flow, or trying to get their sales, operations, and finance teams to actually communicate with each other. We discuss: – How Alex worked his way through sales, marketing, and warehouse floors early in his career and discovered that the biggest problem in most businesses is not a people problem, it is a data communication problem. – The ping pong table analogy: why sales and marketing, operations, and finance are constantly fighting each other instead of rowing in the same direction, and how data visualization fixes it. – Why inventory turns is the business metric that unlocks cash flow, and how converting inventory into cash faster means more capital to grow. – The 80-20 rule applied to supply chain: why 90% of most businesses' revenue comes from 10% of their SKUs, and how SKU bloat is silently strangling cash flow. – A four-step framework any business owner can build today using Shopify, Excel, and a 3PL report: establish a source of truth, consolidate purchasing, understand historical sales, and log future big commitments. – How to use AI for demand planning and forecasting without creating a black box, why asking the model to write a wiki after every build is a game-changing practice, and how to validate AI outputs without being a data scientist. – Why the black box problem is the biggest risk in AI-assisted supply chain work, and the practical technique Alex uses to keep every model transparent, auditable, and updatable. – How to think about minimum order quantities, carrying costs, and opportunity cost when deciding which SKUs to keep, cut, or reorder. – Real examples of businesses that locked in large retail orders with Walmart or Target without planning for them and suddenly found themselves out of stock for six months. – Where AI is going in supply chain: why demand planning used to require PhD-level data scientists and now any operator can access the same capability. Ready to work with Alex? Visit predictivescs.com. Ready to grow and plan your exit? Visit www.BizExitGrow.com, where thoughtful systems and strategies help build lasting value and legacy.

    33 min

  8. MAR 19

    SAP, Enterprise AI & Scaling 11 Companies with Chris Carter (#36)

    In this episode, I sit down with Chris Carter, founder and CEO of Approyo, a firm specializing in SAP migrations, monitoring, basis support, and application hosting. Chris is also a serial entrepreneur who has started 11 companies, sold multiple, authored 17 books including 4 bestsellers, and is currently building Approyo, Mugatu AI, and Charging Bunny simultaneously while investing in a professional soccer team in Belfast, Ireland. This episode is a masterclass for any business owner trying to implement technology the right way, hire and build a high-performance culture, and prepare a business for a high-value exit. We discuss: – Chris's path from a Commodore VIC-20 at age 14, to Georgia Tech, to a Coca-Cola internship that accidentally launched a 30-plus year career in the SAP ecosystem. – Why SAP runs 93.7% of financial transactions globally, what the current cloud migration wave means for businesses, and why the US Navy and government run on SAP. – His three-step framework for implementing any new technology in a business: train first, find the passionate champion, and sell it from the top down. – Why most companies fail at AI adoption not because of the technology but because of poor thought process, and how to separate the right tools from the noise. – The hiring mistakes Chris made in his early companies, why he was the bottleneck, and the lesson it took selling multiple businesses to fully learn: hire fast, fire faster. – Why he now gives new hires 30 days to get up to speed on the tools that matter, and why he actively recruits from the military and fresh graduates who will go all in. – His framework for running a business as if it were publicly traded, keeping financials, HR, contracts, and documentation fully in order before any exit conversation begins. – How Chris uses Gemini, Notebook LM, Gamma, and vibe coding tools daily to write books, build apps, prep presentations, and run three companies simultaneously. – Why AI is not replacing humans but making them bigger, better, faster, and stronger, and why that conversation needs to start in high schools, not boardrooms. – Where he sees enterprise AI going: less about consumer apps and more about deeply integrated organizational decision-making that uses historical data to shape the future. Want to connect with Chris? Visit christophermcarter.com Ready to grow and plan your exit? Visit www.BizExitGrow.com, where thoughtful systems and strategies help build lasting value and legacy.

    40 min
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Unlock growth, streamline operations, and prepare your business for a high-value exit. Exit Algorithms features founders, 3PL leaders, and forward-thinking execs who share proven strategies for leveraging technology, automation, and AI to maximize value so you can scale smarter and sell stronger. Tailored for business owners who want to grow, scale, and plan a successful exit.

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  • Creator
    Peter Vera
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    43
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Peter Vera
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    Exit Algorithms

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