The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill
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How can you become a game changer? Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue. In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer. We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture. What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company. Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level. For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/

  1. 424. Episode 424 — Michael Mogill’s Favorite Things of 2025

    2D AGO

    424. Episode 424 — Michael Mogill’s Favorite Things of 2025

    What you let into your life matters just as much as what you work on. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down the books, habits, tools, and experiences that actually added value to their lives this year. From business and fiction reads to recovery, breathwork, entertainment, and everyday performance habits, this conversation cuts through recommendations and trends to focus on what held up in real life. Here’s what you’ll learn: What habits and tools actually improve your sleep, recovery, and day-to-day energy How to be more intentional with your downtime and choose entertainment that’s genuinely worth your time Which books, apps, and routines will continue to add value as your life gets fuller and more demanding If you’re going to be selective about anything, be selective about what earns a place in your life. ---- 03:01 – Why most business books stop being useful and the one Michael keeps rereading 05:12 – The fiction book that pulled Michael back into reading and why it worked 06:41 – How Michael chooses movies and shows that are actually worth the time 09:56 – Why this was a standout year for gaming and the underdog game that won everything 12:31 – The recovery gadget Michael thought was a gimmick but now uses consistently 14:09 – Breathwork, daily clarity, and the app that made the habit measurable 16:14 – Sleep, meal timing, and the change that most improved daily decision making 23:07 – The productivity app that dramatically reduced screen time 26:53 – The AI experience that genuinely felt like stepping into the future 31:31 – The documentary that had a lasting emotional impact 34:56 – The snack Michael relies on and why NFL teams consume thousands of them 38:36 – Closing reflections on being more selective with what earns space in your life ---- Links & Resources: Michael Mogill’s Favorites Roundup: Gear, Books, Games, Tech, and Wellness Essentials The Hard Thing About Hard Things by Ben Horowitz Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir F1 Mr. Robot Clair Obscur: Expedition 33  “Don’t Let Me Drown” by Burna Boy  a16z Podcast Murph Workout Nike x Hyperice Hyperboot Yudemon HRV App AG1’s AGZ Episode 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus Bryan Johnson Opal NewYorkTurk Nex Playground ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus 402, How to Hack Your Biology for an Unfair Edge with Dave Asprey 123. Game Changing Authors: Lessons from Best-Selling Writers

    42 min
  2. 423. AMMA — How to Actually Scale Your Standards

    DEC 18

    423. AMMA — How to Actually Scale Your Standards

    When growth starts to feel messy, the real risk is not the chaos. It’s what you quietly allow to slide. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill reflect on the last AMMA of the year and explore a recurring insight that emerges as firms scale. Most breakdowns do not start with big failures. They start with paper cuts, rushed training, and hires made out of urgency instead of alignment. This conversation unpacks how leaders should think when growth forces them to loosen their grip, without lowering the standard that got them there. Here’s what you’ll learn: When to recognize growing pains are signaling an actual standards problem, and not just temporary chaos How to approach training and delegation when you cannot be as hands-on, without letting quality slide How to evaluate hires made out of necessity and decide when filling a seat helps growth or quietly hurts it This final AMMA of the year offers a clear lens for scaling responsibly without normalizing mediocrity in 2026. ---- 02:14 — Michael shares his biggest lesson from the year and explains why there is no finish line in business or life 06:33 — Why the most important work in building something great is often mundane, repetitive, and unglamorous 10:27 — Why growth problems rarely show up as major failures and usually begin as small paper cuts and quality slips 11:01 — How tolerating minor issues quietly resets the standard for the entire organization 16:03 — The challenge of training as you scale and why leaders cannot rely on being hands-on forever 18:38 — How unclear expectations and rushed onboarding lead to performance breakdowns 22:17 — How to decide whether filling a role actually helps growth or creates more downstream work 23:06 — What standards leaders must personally protect as the business grows beyond them ---- Links & Resources: Knife Edge Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs Nick Saban ---- Learn what sustainable growth can look like for your firm at crispcoach.com. ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 285. Morgan Housel — Mastering the Psychology of Wealth: Beyond Money and Success 233. AMMA – How to Find Meaning in the Journey 214. Dream Team: How to Hire and Keep High-Performing Talent

    24 min
  3. 422. The Power of Perseverance: Lessons From a $250M Brand with Kara Goldin [Encore Edition]

    DEC 16

    422. The Power of Perseverance: Lessons From a $250M Brand with Kara Goldin [Encore Edition]

    What if the only thing standing between you and the next level is the courage to ignore the experts? In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Kara Goldin, Founder of Hint Water and bestselling author of Undaunted, to reveal what it really takes to build a brand, a company, and a category from the ground up. From rejection and industry pushback to Goliath competitors and well-meaning “experts” who swear your idea won’t work, this conversation is a blueprint for staying unshakably committed to your vision, even when no one else understands it. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why bold ideas are doubted before they’re celebrated — and how to push forward anyway How to distinguish genuine insight from the limiting beliefs of others What it takes to stay persistent when you’re creating something no one has ever done before If you want a real-world example of what unwavering commitment can create, this episode is it. ---- Show Notes: 04:32 — Why Kara says she never would have started Hint if she knew how difficult the journey would be. 06:34 — What it took to create a completely new beverage category and convince buyers it mattered. 08:57 — The moment a senior Coca-Cola executive dismissed her idea and told her Americans “love sweet.” 12:51 — How Kara learned to separate genuine expertise from limiting beliefs disguised as advice. 16:06 — What watching Ted Turner build CNN taught her about conviction and pursuing ideas others doubt. 22:01 — How giving up Diet Coke for her own health became the unexpected catalyst for creating Hint. 30:56 — How little she actually knew about the beverage industry and why that ignorance helped her innovate. 35:25 — How landing Starbucks became a breakthrough moment that suddenly reversed without warning. 39:07 — Why Kara believes dark days don’t last forever and how unexpected opportunities follow adversity. Links & Resources: Hint Water Undaunted by Kara Goldin Ted Turner Steve Jobs ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 262. Roland Frasier — The Secret to Scale: How to Grow Your Business 193. Dan Fleyshman — Just Get Started: A Serial Entrepreneur’s Secret to Success 172. Marcus Lemonis — The Three Keys to Business: People, Process, and Product

    52 min
  4. 421. AMMA — Scaling Your Firm Starts With the Decisions You’re Afraid to Make

    DEC 11

    421. AMMA — Scaling Your Firm Starts With the Decisions You’re Afraid to Make

    What if the hardest years of your life turned out to be the ones that made you unstoppable? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill break down why your greatest advantage is not your wins but the wisdom you have gained along the way. Drawing on Warren Buffett’s final shareholder letter, he explains how reflection, long-term thinking, and the ability to navigate uncertainty shape the leaders who endure. Whether this year felt like a breakthrough or a struggle, you will see why your future can still be greater than your past. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why your setbacks, mistakes, and “learning years” compound into your most valuable advantage How to think beyond the next month or quarter and make decisions that hold up years from now What it takes to stop punishing your past self, extract the lesson, and move forward with clarity If you’re ready to enter the next year wiser, stronger, and more intentional, this episode shows you how. ---- 02:08 — The lesson from Warren Buffett’s final shareholder letter and its relevance for long-term thinkers. 04:51 — Understanding the difference between a winning year and a learning year. 05:06 — How shifting from short-term decisions to five- and ten-year thinking changes your outcomes. 06:45 — The Navy SEAL “no finish line” analogy and why uncertainty shapes the strongest leaders. 08:10 — Why you must stop punishing your past self and evaluate decisions based on the information you had at the time. 10:13 — The real timeline of results and why growth depends on your starting point and expectations. 15:33 — How to know when your firm is truly ready to scale and why waiting to feel “ready” keeps you stuck. 20:23 — Making tough personnel decisions and why keeping the wrong people holds your entire team back. ---- Links & Resources: Warren Buffett Warren Buffett’s Final Letter to Shareholders ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 412. Why Doing Hard Things Is the Ultimate Advantage with Joe De Sena 383. AMMA — Why Comfort Will Quietly Destroy Your Law Firm 370. Why Playing It Safe Is Killing Your Growth with Verne Harnish

    27 min
  5. 420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus

    DEC 9

    420. The Sleep Science That Separates Elite Performers with Dr. Michael Breus

    You can outwork a lot of things, but you can’t outwork bad sleep. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Dr. Michael Breus, renowned clinical psychologist and sleep expert, to break down the science, strategy, and psychology behind truly restorative sleep. From understanding your body’s nightly repair cycle to optimizing your environment for peak recovery, this conversation is a masterclass in reclaiming your energy, focus, and longevity. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why sleep impacts every organ system — and how your body repairs physical and emotional stress while you rest How to determine your optimal sleep amount (and whether you’re actually getting enough) What it takes to create a truly high-performance sleep environment and avoid the traps that wreck recovery If you want to win tomorrow, it starts with how you recover tonight. ---- Show Notes: 02:57 — Sleep 101: what deep sleep and REM actually do (physical repair vs. emotional “metabolism”) and why the glymphatic system matters. 10:26 — There’s no one-size-fits-all “optimal” sleep — how to know your right amount and when low sleep becomes a red flag for underlying disorders. 15:16 — Sleep debt and social jet lag: when catching up works (teens) and when it backfires for adults. 18:06 — The “napa-latte” and smart napping: how to use short naps and caffeine to survive a bad night without sabotaging the next one. 20:02 — The sleep system audit: mattress, pillow, air quality, light, sound, and temperature — the practical adjustments that move the needle. 29:29 — Which gadgets help vs. harm: why mouth tape is dangerous, when nasal dilators work, and the limits of sleep trackers. 32:34 — Alcohol and meal timing: how much, how early, and the three-hour rule to protect your deep sleep. 39:00 — Caffeine and cannabis timing: caffeine’s half-life, green tea/matcha alternatives, and how THC/CBD impact REM and HRV. 45:06 — Supplements decoded: magnesium, vitamin D, and why most people don’t need nightly melatonin — plus important dosing pitfalls. 51:09 — Creatine and sleep deprivation: what current research actually supports (and what it doesn’t). ---- Links & Resources: Dr. Michael Breus Sleep, Drink, Breathe: Simple Daily Habits for Profound Long-Term Health by Dr. Michael Breus Orion Sleep Oura Ring WHOOP Strap ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 399. AMMA — Why Sleep and Nutrition Are Secret Weapons for Scaling Firms 396. Why High Performers Can’t Afford to Ignore Wellness with Dr. Taz Bhatia 125. Health Hackers: Mastering Habits to Operate at Peak Performance

    1h 4m
  6. 419. AMMA — The Harsh Truth About Leadership Nobody Wants to Hear

    DEC 4

    419. AMMA — The Harsh Truth About Leadership Nobody Wants to Hear

    Most people want growth, but they surround themselves with people who quietly convince them to slow down. In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill pulls back the curtain on what leadership really demands when the decisions you make are unpopular, misunderstood, or impossible to explain. From the hidden weight leaders carry to the emotional price of high standards, Michael breaks down why the toughest calls often define your future more than your biggest wins. If you have ever questioned whether doing the right thing was worth the fallout, this conversation will hit home. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why great leaders are often criticized for decisions no one else has the full context for How to deliver tough feedback without sacrificing trust, connection, or standards What it takes to stay focused on long-term growth without being influenced by complacent people If you want to rise above the noise, start by refusing to lower your standards for anyone. ---- 01:44 — How Michael and Jessica celebrate after the Summit with pizza, and an intentional return to routine the next morning. 04:06 — Why the reward for work done well is often greater responsibility and higher expectations. 05:22 — How human biology pushes us toward comfort and why resisting that instinct is essential for growth. 07:12 — How listeners consume the AMA in wildly different ways and why Michael keeps the show ad-free as a way to pay it forward. 07:50 — The part of leadership no one warns you about, where you make decisions others will not understand and still carry the blame. 10:18 — How holding someone accountable reflects deeper care than avoiding the hard feedback they need to grow. 13:22 — Why ego is often the biggest barrier to improvement and how people rationalize away criticism that could actually help them advance. 16:57 — Why your leadership style must align with your authentic values instead of whatever culture trend is circulating online. 21:26 — How the culture you build determines who you attract, who you repel, and the pace at which your organization can grow. ---- Links & Resources: Robert Herjavec Radical Candor by Kim Scott ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 275. Kim Scott — The Power of Radical Respect 245. Sheila Heen — How to Master Difficult Conversations 25. Kim Scott — Radical Candor: How to be a Kickass Boss

    23 min
  7. 418. Why Discipline Without Toxicity Wins Every Time with Dominique Dawes

    DEC 2

    418. Why Discipline Without Toxicity Wins Every Time with Dominique Dawes

    What if the greatest victories of your life are not the ones the world celebrates, but the ones no one ever sees? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with three-time Olympic gymnast Dominique Dawes to explore the true cost of world-class performance and what it really takes to build a life defined by purpose, not pressure. From her history-making Olympic journey to rebuilding the sport from the inside out, Dominique reveals the sacrifices, struggles, and pivotal moments that shaped her mission to create a healthier culture for the next generation. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why greatness requires sacrifice and how to decide which sacrifices are actually worth it How to transform pain, pressure, and adversity into a mission that serves others What it takes to build a purpose-driven business without losing yourself or your family in the process If you are striving for excellence that lasts, this conversation will challenge you to rethink what winning really means. ---- Show Notes: 04:56 — Dominique describes the grueling daily training schedule that made her want to quit. 06:45 — She explains why young gymnasts often sacrifice their entire childhood for less than five minutes on the Olympic stage. 08:44 — Dominique shares why gold medals do not make her top ten life moments and what truly matters more. 14:22 — She reflects on signing a lease before the pandemic and pushing through the uncertainty that followed. 17:21 — Dominique discusses expanding her academy and how her daughter telling her she was working too much changed everything. 20:14 — She explains how motherhood shifted her definition of success and forced her to re-evaluate priorities. 24:32 — Dominique talks about why relentless achievement can lead to burnout and what real balance looks like. 32:44 — She contrasts old-school coaching adversity with the healthier culture she’s building at her academies. ---- Links & Resources: Dominique Dawes Gymnastics and Ninja Academy Larry Nassar Simone Biles ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 401. AMMA — From Girl Dad to CEO: The Michael Mogill Playbook 293. Elite Athletes — The Mental Edge: How Champions Overcome the Impossible 207. Patty McCord — How to Build a Culture of Freedom and Responsibility

    40 min
  8. 417. The Secret to Building a Brand People Love with Steve Carse

    NOV 25

    417. The Secret to Building a Brand People Love with Steve Carse

    What if the thing that makes your business unforgettable has nothing to do with the product and everything to do with the people and purpose behind it? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Steve Carse, founder of King of Pops, to unpack how an idea became one of Atlanta’s most beloved brands. From pushing a single cart up the street to producing tens of thousands of pops a day, Steve shares what it really takes to build a culture-driven company, stay relevant, and scale without losing your identity. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why true differentiation starts with curiosity, courage, and a willingness to stand out How to build a brand that grows through authentic community connection What it takes to scale culture, empower your team, and expand into new markets Want to build something people rave about and love doing it? This episode shows you what it requires. ---- Show Notes: 02:34 — Steve shares why showing up consistently matters more than talent or timing 03:52 — The early fear that King of Pops might be a fad and how they pushed through uncertainty 07:30 — How artisan-level craft, sourcing, and process became their lasting competitive advantage 09:40 — The moment Steve realized the brand was becoming something bigger than a seasonal idea 12:36 — The challenge of scaling a beloved local brand into unfamiliar markets 14:07 — How COVID unexpectedly unlocked a new business model and created the cartrepreneur movement 19:39 — Why culture must be driven from the front and why leaders must care more than anyone else 38:24 — How becoming a parent changed Steve’s leadership, perspective, and purpose ---- Links & Resources: King of Pops  Work Is Fun by Steve Carse ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 406. How to Build a Law Firm Culture That Actually Works 370. — Why Playing It Safe Is Killing Your Growth with Verne Harnish 338. Will Ahmed — From Stress to Success: Optimizing the Entrepreneurial Journey

    41 min
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How can you become a game changer? Michael Mogill, Founder and CEO of Crisp, has used his mastery of marketing for lawyers to grow his company to an 8-figure powerhouse. In just a few years, Crisp has helped thousands of attorneys adapt to the new legal landscape, differentiate themselves from the competition, and earn millions in new revenue. In every episode, you’ll hear from law firm entrepreneurs and market leaders — people who flourish in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a game changer. We investigate success stories and business growth and scalability strategies that can help you attract your ideal clients. Plus, discover hidden insights and actionable advice on how company culture and employee engagement, marketing and advertising, and management and hiring fit into the big picture. What do all our guests have in common? These successful attorneys and business owners prove that the key to innovation is a game-changing mindset. If you want to run your law firm like an entrepreneur, achieve a greater ROI, and build a world-class organization that stands the test of time, then you’re in good company. Subscribe to the Game Changing Attorney Podcast and get ready to take your business to the next level. For more information, visit https://www.crisp.co/podcast/

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