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Dina Zuckerberg, myFace

myFace’s Dina Zuckerberg hosts a monthly broadcast and podcast series with interviews and roundtable discussions from the craniofacial community. myFace, myStory aims to help educate the public about craniofacial differences and what those with facial differences deal with as individuals and as a community. Sharing these stories will enable those within the community to feel empowered by letting them know they are not alone and that their voices are heard.

  1. Facing The Lens: Adam Pearson on Film, Advocacy and Changing the Narrative

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    Facing The Lens: Adam Pearson on Film, Advocacy and Changing the Narrative

    On this month's episode of myFace, myStory, host Dina Zuckerberg speaks with award-winning actor, presenter, and disability advocate Adam Pearson. From standout roles in A Different Man and Under The Skin to his upcoming portrayal of Joseph Merrick in the film adaptation of The Elephant Man, Adam shares how he’s using storytelling to challenge stereotypes, advocate for authentic representation, and change the narrative around disability in media and beyond.   Adam was nominated as Presenter of the Year at the Grierson UK Documentary Awards in 2016. As an actor, he has been nominated for Best Supporting Performance at the Gotham Film Awards and the Film Independent Spirit Awards. He has also been nominated for the likes of the Los Angeles Film Critics Association Awards, National Society of Film Critics Awards (US), DiscussingFilm Critics Awards, and UK Film Critics Association Awards.   Adam has been widely recognised for his award-nominated, supporting role in A24’s A Different Man, directed by Aaron Schimberg and co-starring Sebastian Stan and Renata Reinsve. Adam also co-starred in the BAFTA-nominated film, Under The Skin, with Scarlett Johansson which was directed by Jonathan Glazer. His other film credits include Chained For Life, which was also directed by Aaron Schimberg.   Adam has spoken at a number of events for the likes of KPMG, the Health Innovation Summit, Public Service & Criminology Conference, and British Association for Counselling & Psychotherapy. He has also given a TEDx talk.   Adam is an ambassador for The King’s Trust, Changing Faces and Us In A Bus. He also won a RADAR Award and a Diana Award for his campaigning work.   Adam has previously been named on The Shaw Trust’s Disability Power 100 List, as well as being nominated for Celebrity of the Year at the Sense Awards.

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  2. Breaking Beauty Standards: Paige Billiot's Birthmark Advocacy | myFace, myStory

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    Breaking Beauty Standards: Paige Billiot's Birthmark Advocacy | myFace, myStory

    On this month's myFace, myStory podcast, host Dina Zuckerberg speaks with Paige Lauren Billiot, a birthmark advocate, model, and film producer redefining beauty standards. Based in LA, Paige uses her platform to create representation for those with facial differences, celebrating her birthmark as her superpower. Featured in Harper’s Bazaar, Seventeen, and Glamour, she challenges societal norms and empowers others to embrace their uniqueness with confidence. Tune in for an inspiring conversation on self-love, advocacy, and the power of authentic representation.   TRANSCRIPT  00:01:34.618 --> 00:01:37.480 Hello, and welcome to My Face, My Story, 00:01:37.819 --> 00:01:40.100 voices from the craniofacial community. 00:01:40.921 --> 00:01:41.981 I'm Dena Zuckerberg, 00:01:42.042 --> 00:01:43.483 your host and director of 00:01:43.503 --> 00:01:45.343 family programs at My Face. 00:01:46.183 --> 00:01:47.444 Like many of you listening, 00:01:47.765 --> 00:01:49.344 I have a craniofacial difference. 00:01:50.165 --> 00:01:52.206 I was born with a cleft lip, 00:01:52.826 --> 00:01:53.807 a hearing loss, 00:01:53.986 --> 00:01:55.647 and no vision in my left eye. 00:01:56.709 --> 00:01:57.331 My Face, 00:01:57.370 --> 00:01:59.432 My Story is about people like us 00:01:59.512 --> 00:02:00.893 being seen and heard, 00:02:01.492 --> 00:02:02.694 about sharing stories 00:02:02.733 --> 00:02:04.015 within the craniofacial 00:02:04.034 --> 00:02:05.977 community and with others. 00:02:07.016 --> 00:02:08.758 This podcast episode is made 00:02:08.818 --> 00:02:10.259 possible through support 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:11.920 from the Integra Foundation, 00:02:12.420 --> 00:02:14.223 committed to improving lives. 00:02:15.362 --> 00:02:15.943 By the way, 00:02:16.183 --> 00:02:17.044 whether you're watching on 00:02:17.104 --> 00:02:18.425 YouTube or listening 00:02:18.466 --> 00:02:19.926 through Apple Podcasts, 00:02:20.306 --> 00:02:22.147 click subscribe now and 00:02:22.168 --> 00:02:23.368 we'll keep you updated on 00:02:23.429 --> 00:02:25.730 future episodes so you never miss out. 00:02:27.320 --> 00:02:29.542 And if you're a fan of My Face, My Story, 00:02:30.062 --> 00:02:31.461 please rate and review the 00:02:31.502 --> 00:02:33.423 program on Apple Podcasts 00:02:33.883 --> 00:02:35.143 so we can get our message 00:02:35.242 --> 00:02:36.383 of inclusivity and 00:02:36.424 --> 00:02:38.985 empowerment to more people. 00:02:39.185 --> 00:02:41.585 Today, I am joined by Paige Villiat. 00:02:42.126 --> 00:02:44.765 Paige is a birthmark advocate, model, 00:02:44.925 --> 00:02:45.986 and film producer, 00:02:46.206 --> 00:02:47.806 creating global birthmark 00:02:47.866 --> 00:02:49.407 representation and 00:02:49.448 --> 00:02:51.627 awareness within the beauty, fashion, 00:02:51.748 --> 00:02:53.028 and media industries. 00:02:53.808 --> 00:02:55.289 She uses social media to 00:02:55.389 --> 00:02:56.569 highlight her birthmark 00:02:57.062 --> 00:02:59.462 with makeup, props, graphic design, 00:02:59.643 --> 00:03:00.823 and VFX. 00:03:01.663 --> 00:03:02.883 Her influence has been 00:03:02.984 --> 00:03:04.804 recognized in many magazines, 00:03:05.004 --> 00:03:08.045 including Harper's Bazaar, Seventeen, 00:03:08.246 --> 00:03:09.925 Glamour, and Women's Health, 00:03:10.605 --> 00:03:11.866 earning her a spot on 00:03:11.907 --> 00:03:13.206 Glamour's fifty 00:03:13.306 --> 00:03:14.587 Instagrammers you need to 00:03:14.627 --> 00:03:15.568 follow right now. 00:03:16.786 --> 00:03:18.105 When she isn't advocating 00:03:18.145 --> 00:03:19.806 for the birthmark community, 00:03:20.326 --> 00:03:21.366 she loves taking her 00:03:21.427 --> 00:03:22.948 forecast on walks in their 00:03:22.987 --> 00:03:24.989 strollers while expanding 00:03:25.049 --> 00:03:27.149 her chai tea latte palette 00:03:27.269 --> 00:03:30.389 and Scooby Doo collection. 00:03:30.430 --> 00:03:31.211 Welcome Paige. 00:03:35.951 --> 00:03:36.352 Hi, 00:03:36.572 --> 00:03:37.592 I really look forward to our 00:03:37.612 --> 00:03:38.312 conversations. 00:03:39.062 --> 00:03:39.622 Hello. 00:03:39.701 --> 00:03:41.524 Yes, I'm so excited to be here. 00:03:41.663 --> 00:03:43.025 When you asked me to join, 00:03:43.625 --> 00:03:45.325 I could not wait to have a 00:03:45.346 --> 00:03:46.167 conversation with you. 00:03:46.766 --> 00:03:48.489 I'm excited. 00:03:48.628 --> 00:03:50.810 So can you share a bit about 00:03:50.849 --> 00:03:52.230 your personal journey and 00:03:53.252 --> 00:03:54.473 how you came to embrace 00:03:54.492 --> 00:03:56.174 your birthmark as your superpower? 00:03:57.377 --> 00:03:57.798 Oh, man. 00:03:57.858 --> 00:03:58.079 I mean, 00:03:58.098 --> 00:04:00.180 that's I think any self accepting 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:02.382 journey is quite the ride, I'm sure, 00:04:02.401 --> 00:04:04.963 as you know, and a very long one. 00:04:06.444 --> 00:04:08.626 I still feel like it's, you know, 00:04:08.665 --> 00:04:10.187 I'm still learning about myself. 00:04:10.247 --> 00:04:11.889 I'm still learning deeper 00:04:11.929 --> 00:04:13.810 levels of love and acceptance. 00:04:15.151 --> 00:04:18.052 But, yeah, I for most of my life. 00:04:19.713 --> 00:04:21.336 I would say up until, you know, 00:04:22.237 --> 00:04:23.338 a little outside of high 00:04:23.418 --> 00:04:24.439 school is when I started to 00:04:24.459 --> 00:04:26.661 get a little bit definitely 00:04:26.701 --> 00:04:28.504 more consistently comfortable with, 00:04:28.584 --> 00:04:28.863 you know, 00:04:28.923 --> 00:04:30.045 just kind of going outside the 00:04:30.064 --> 00:04:32.168 house without makeup just to run errands. 00:04:33.069 --> 00:04:35.290 I remember the end of high school, 00:04:35.670 --> 00:04:37.814 I stopped wearing like, you know, 00:04:39.278 --> 00:04:39.978 more full coverage 00:04:39.999 --> 00:04:41.420 foundation and just doing 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.201 kind of like powder over the birthmark. 00:04:43.821 --> 00:04:45.322 So it was a very gradual 00:04:45.442 --> 00:04:47.903 process of accepting and 00:04:48.485 --> 00:04:49.665 then fully embracing. 00:04:49.985 --> 00:04:54.228 And how ironically life can 00:04:54.269 --> 00:04:55.310 be with having a birthmark 00:04:55.370 --> 00:04:56.009 on half of my face, 00:04:56.069 --> 00:04:57.151 I wanted to be an actress 00:04:57.271 --> 00:04:57.891 at a very young age. 00:04:59.012 --> 00:05:01.595 And I did that at high school. 00:05:01.634 --> 00:05:02.536 I was a performing arts 00:05:02.576 --> 00:05:03.877 major at Las Vegas Academy 00:05:03.896 --> 00:05:05.658 of Performing Arts International Studies, 00:05:05.678 --> 00:05:06.740 which was actually really, 00:05:06.759 --> 00:05:08.862 really fun and really great 00:05:08.901 --> 00:05:10.103 for the self-confidence and 00:05:10.122 --> 00:05:11.285 just being able to perform. 00:05:11.745 --> 00:05:12.826 I had my birthmark covered, 00:05:12.886 --> 00:05:14.168 but still being on stage 00:05:14.187 --> 00:05:15.348 and just being in that environment. 00:05:16.456 --> 00:05:20.702 And then when I moved out to LA in, 00:05:20.802 --> 00:05:22.084 very much the intention of 00:05:22.144 --> 00:05:24.067 being in front and behind the camera, 00:05:24.127 --> 00:05:24.887 always wanted to be a 00:05:24.947 --> 00:05:26.430 filmmaker to some capacity. 00:05:27.791 --> 00:05:29.634 And I took two years of 00:05:30.175 --> 00:05:31.196 trying to do the thing, 00:05:31.295 --> 00:05:33.117 trying to get an agent, the auditions, 00:05:33.137 --> 00:05:34.019 the managers, 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:36.862 I'm trying to get into just short films, 00:05:36.901 --> 00:05:38.742 student films, whatever I could get into. 00:05:38.762 --> 00:05:41.144 And, you know, 00:05:41.204 --> 00:05:42.446 it was a very consistent 00:05:42.565 --> 00:05:44.387 pattern of confusion. 00:05:45.168 --> 00:05:47.689 And, you know, 00:05:47.769 --> 00:05:49.610 some of the same comments of just, 00:05:49.630 --> 00:05:50.612 we don't know where to put you. 00:05:50.651 --> 00:05:51.672 You're too distracting. 00:05:52.812 --> 00:05:53.072 You know, 00:05:53.132 --> 00:05:55.574 like we're very confused on like 00:05:55.615 --> 00:05:56.696 where to place you. 00:05:56.896 --> 00:05:57.096 Yeah. 00:05:58.317 --> 00:05:59.677 and I got you know I reached 00:05:59.898 --> 00:06:01.538 a threshold at a point and 00:06:01.658 --> 00:06:03.000 I got really frustrated at 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.161 the process and I just 00:06:04.201 --> 00:06:05.000 realized you know what I 00:06:05.021 --> 00:06:05.841 just kind of have to make 00:06:05.882 --> 00:06:07.583 something on my own which 00:06:07.762 --> 00:06:09.163 really isn't that different 00:06:09.204 --> 00:06:10.584 of a story that I I think 00:06:10.665 --> 00:06:12.906 everybody in l.a ends up 00:06:13.065 --> 00:06:14.247 coming to realize at some 00:06:14.286 --> 00:06:15.648 point anyways that like you 00:06:15.708 --> 00:06:16.668 just you're gonna have to 00:06:16.708 --> 00:06:20.471 just kind of make your own stuff right 00:06:21.146 --> 00:06:24.408 So being really frustrated, I didn't, 00:06:24.867 --> 00:06:26.048 I couldn't make a film overnight, 00:06:26.228 --> 00:06:27.848 but I could take a photo. 00:06:28.389 --> 00:06:28.689 And I, 00:06:29.250 --> 00:06:30.470

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  3. Defining Beauty: A Conversation with Celina Leroy

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    Defining Beauty: A Conversation with Celina Leroy

    In this episode of myFace, myStory, host Dina Zuckerberg speaks with Celina Leroy, an artist, art teacher, and advocate born with a Port Wine Stain birthmark. Celina shares how her personal experiences have inspired her to create powerful portraits of individuals with craniofacial differences, such as birthmarks, cleft lip and palate, and Sturge-Weber syndrome. Through her artwork and accompanying video interviews, Celina seeks to raise awareness, end the stigma surrounding visible differences, and redefine society’s standards of beauty.   - [Announcer] Welcome to "myFace, myStory: "Voices from the Craniofacial Community" with your host, Dina Zuckerberg. - Hello, and welcome to "myFace, myStory: "Voices from the Craniofacial Community." I'm Dina Zuckerberg, your host, and Director of Family Programs at myFace. Like many of you listening, I have a craniofacial difference. I was born with a cleft lip, a hearing loss, and no vision in my left eye. "MyFace, myStory" is about people like us being seen and heard, about sharing stories within the craniofacial community and with others. This podcast episode is made possible through support from the Integra Foundation committed to improving lives. By the way, whether you're watching on YouTube or listening through Apple Podcasts, click Subscribe Now and we'll keep you updated on future episodes so you never miss out. And if you're a fan of "myFace, myStory," please rate and review the program on Apple Podcasts so we can get a message of inclusivity and empowerment to more people. Today, I am joined by Celina Leroy. Celina is an artist, art teacher, and advocate. Born with a Port Wine Stain birthmark, Celina creates painted portraits of individuals born with craniofacial differences, including birthmarks, cleft lips and palates, Sturge-Weber syndrome, et cetera. She hopes that her work will shed light on this underrepresented group of people and end the stigma surrounding visible differences and disabilities. Along with each portrait, she gives a video interview of that person giving more context to their story and journey. Welcome, Celina. I really look forward to our conversation. - I'm so excited to be here. - Yeah. So can you share your personal journey growing up with a Port Wine Stain birthmark? And how did that experience shape who you are today? - Yeah, I was born with a Port Wine Stain on my chin, lip, and cheek. When I was a baby, I had like so many laser treatments to kind of reduce the color of it and the size. Like throughout my life, probably had like 90 or so laser treatments. - Wow. - Yeah, and then I had two kind of major surgeries on my lip to like reduce the size, because it's kind of larger on one side. And like with Port Wine Stains, it's a progressive lesion, so it gets larger as you grow. As any kind of like adolescence age, it will grow more. So that's why I've had those surgeries. So when I grew up, I always felt like pretty ashamed of my birthmark and really felt like I was different because of that and it's something that I should hide. So I like immediately like started wearing makeup and just kind of trying to cover it and blend in with other people. And I was always in the back of my mind like afraid that someone would notice, someone would see it and like just think that I was ugly or think that something was wrong with me. And it was like kind of like sad. I always loved making art since I was a little kid. And I wanted to create portraits of people with birthmarks. After I started going on Facebook and finding like support groups for people with Port Wine Stains, and I was looking at all these people and I was like, "Oh my God, like actually Port Wine Stains "are so beautiful." "They're like this red color, "and they're all different and unique "and they're like maps of color on the face." And I was like, "I should make a portrait series about this." 'Cause so many people feel like they deal with the same thing, like feel like that they're like ugly or something, so I wanted to use art to be like, "No, actually you're beautiful "and like you're a masterpiece." - Right, I love that. So I have a good friend who wrote a book about how she hid her difference for over 20 years, and then she came sort of out of hiding and how freeing that is. Was there a certain point in your life where you felt like you didn't have to hide anymore, that you could be who you are? Or maybe you still haven't quite gotten there, but I was just wondering. - Yeah. Actually like really recently, I would wear makeup like all the time and like only in rare situations would I not wear makeup. But this school year, so I'm a teacher. And this school year, I didn't wear makeup like the first days of school and like throughout the year. So it's been literally like a month. Something about like the kids seeing me without makeup. 'Cause you know, kids are like, can be kind of ruthless. And I like want to be putting up like this front that I'm like a teacher, like professional. Like I don't want them to come at me saying like, "Oh, you look weird and you're like..." And I still have those negative thoughts in my head. Even though I do all this work to try to like not have those thoughts, I still have them. This month, I haven't been wearing makeup. And I actually just brought my students to my art show today. - Amazing, I saw a video of it, yeah. - And I was talking about my birthmark and stuff. And like they were so supportive and sweet and loving. And I was like, hmm, like I didn't have to be so always like going to the negative of like how people will perceive me. - Yeah, it's hard to get rid of those negative thoughts, isn't it, especially when you have grown up with it somehow. - Yeah. - Yeah. - I think in some ways, that is one of the biggest challenges. So can you describe the process of creating a portrait of someone with a facial difference? And how do you connect with the individual to capture their story? - Yeah, so at first, I was just on Instagram, and I was like adding people and finding people. And then people would like request, like send me photos of themselves. And then I would paint them and talk to them and like post the process of making the painting. And they'd be so excited and it was like really great. And then I kind of like wanted to move on to like more serious work. So if the person lived in my area, like in New York, I would meet them and take their photo, and paint from that, and then also doing an interview with the painting. So like along with every painting, I'd put an interview. Because I think that it's important not only to see what they look like, but to hear their story and their journey. Because we're more than just our physical appearance. We're like a human that goes through so much. And it's interesting how like we're all so different but then have this like similarity of like looking different, and like feeling, and like just our journey to like self-acceptance. So yeah, I think that it's like really cathartic and nice. And like I get a lot from it like emotionally just like hearing everyone's stories and like connecting on that level. - When did you know you were an artist? - Oh, I grew up in a pretty creative family. Like my grandfather's an artist. Like my dad is like an antique dealer but went to art school. so everyone was like very encouraging of my art making. And then, because I was like pretty good at it at like a young age I guess, or I thought I was good at it... Everyone told me I was good at it, so then I was like, "Oh, this is my thing." So I like went to art school. I always loved drawing. And I always felt like, "Oh, that was like my talent," you know? So, that's fun. - Yeah; no, you are incredibly talented. And yeah. So how do you choose the individuals you paint? And how do their personal stories influence your artistic process? Where do you find them? How do you choose them? - Yeah. Well, a lot of it's just like, "Oh, I have an art show. "Like I need to meet people and like make it happen." Like and who's available and who's here. Some people, I think it's a process of... It's like a pretty big step for some people to put their face out there. Like, some people I've talked to and they wanna do it. But then somehow they flake and like they don't come through. I don't wanna be like, "Oh, you're flaking." But it's like, I think that it's hard for someone to really be vulnerable. And like I am asking a lot of them. So like putting their face out there and then also talking to me about their story, not everyone's like comfortable doing that. So the people that are, like feel like they're at that moment in their life and they're willing to talk about their birthmark or their facial difference, like being vulnerable, and they're in New York City. But I also started traveling and meeting people out like side of the country. So I took some pictures in LA when I went there in the spring. I went to France and England over the summer. And so I met up with people with birthmarks and took their photos. So hopefully, I'll be making paintings of them soon. Like it does take a while to make a painting. So there is like a kind of time delay with that. But I'm trying. - So I had the pleasure and the honor of being photographed and then having you do my painting and interview, which is pretty amazing. You are so incredibly talented. - Thank you. So I'm excited to see it. So I have to thank you. So as an art teacher, an advocate, what do you hope your students and followers learn from your advocacy work and your artistic creations? - Yeah, like it was interesting like today bringing them, the kids, to the show. I was like very stressed out the whole time thinking that they were like not gonna be into it or they're like, "Oh, it's too long." Like all those negative thoughts. I was like, I bit my nails. I was like so stressed. And then at the end of it, like Rick, who runs Positive Exposure, he was like, "

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  4. Taking Control of the Narrative

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    Taking Control of the Narrative

    On this month's myFace, myStory podcast episode host, Dina Zuckerberg, is joined by Amy and Lazer Schefer, a dynamic mother-daughter duo who have turned their personal challenges into a mission of advocacy and support for the craniofacial and rare disease communities. Join us as we explore their inspiring story of resilience, the challenges they’ve overcome, and the impact they continue to make on the lives of others.   - [Announcer] Welcome to "My Face, My Story: "Voices from the Craniofacial Community," with your host, Dina Zuckerberg. - Hello, and welcome to "My Face, My Story: "Voices from the Craniofacial Community." I'm Dina Zuckerberg, your host and director of Family Programs at My Face. Like many of you listening, I have a craniofacial difference. I was born with a cleft lip, a hearing loss, and no vision in my left eye. "My Face, My Story" is about people like us being seen and heard, about sharing stories within the craniofacial community and with others. This podcast episode is made possible through support from the Integra Foundation, committed to improving lives. By the way, whether you're watching on YouTube or listening through Apple Podcasts, click "Subscribe" now and we'll keep you updated on future episodes so you never miss out. And if you're a fan of "My Face, My Story," please rate and review the program on Apple Podcasts so we can get our message of inclusivity and empowerment to more people. Today I am joined by Amy Schefer and her daughter, Lazer. Amy is a passionate advocate for the craniofacial and rare disease communities. She is Lazer's mom and a director of Advocate Angel, an organization that helps guide families through the medical maze. She shares her intense journey as a medical mom, navigating with Lazer through dozens of surgeries and challenges to engaging in pioneering research efforts and advocating tirelessly in one-on-one family assistance endeavors and legislative action. Lazer is a 20-year-old patient advocate and public speaker with Goldenhar Syndrome. She has appeared on the TLC series "Two in a Million: A Face Like Mine." She has also appeared on numerous podcasts and radio interviews and has moderated panel discussions at Seattle Children's Hospital. Welcome Amy and Lazer. I really look forward to our conversation. - Hi. - Hi. - Hello. - Us too. - Yeah. So, Amy, can you share the early days of your journey with Lazer's diagnosis and what were some of the initial challenges you faced as a mother navigating the medical care system and her care? - Well, we're country folk, and one of the biggest challenges that we had is we were at a teeny tiny hospital, nobody had ever heard of Goldenhar. We had a great emergency room, I mean NICU doctor, who stayed up all night trying to figure out what condition this may be. But the fact that we were farther away from the central areas where medical care happened made it more difficult, And then early on, we also, we knew we needed to get to a craniofacial team. - Right. - The team that was assigned to us through our insurance was a not well-known team. They met once every three months. They brought, they brought somebody in who said, you know, who was a professor emeritus, you know, who said, "Wow, this is really, "you won't find a kid like this very often." And that was kind of like- - Wow. - Their amassed wisdom, and it was hard... to get referred to the top team in the state, and the top team in the state was in disarray. They kept losing their funding. So, one of the biggest challenges for me, aside from not knowing ahead of time, despite all the ultrasounds and stuff, that Lazer was gonna be different, one of the biggest challenges was just getting situated in the right medical team so that the quality of care could be better than what we started with. - Mmm, right. And- - Yeah. - So you did not know, and did, and was there anybody else in your family that you knew of that had Goldenhar or? No, so this was a total- - No, the one and only. - Surprise for you. - Yeah. And luckily my dad was a psychiatrist, so he went to medical school. So he asked all of his med school buddies, "What do you do in a case like this?" And they said, "Find a craniofacial team." That was pure luck- - Right. - And not something that most people have. And, you know, some of the reason I just became an advocate is because... the information that families have access to is so scattershot. - Right. - And if you don't have that information, your results are way different. And not only that information, but lots of other kinds of information. So- - Mm-hmm. - We also just didn't have really great facilities, we didn't have great home health agencies, we didn't have, you know, it was, I had to learn how to fire people who were coming to take care of Lazer who- - Right. - Who, you know, didn't do as good a job as they needed to. - Right. - Lazer had a trach and a G-tube at the beginning, and other things, and it, you know, substandard care doesn't cut it. - Right. - So, there are a lot of challenges, and you know, common sense, you would think, okay, when any person is born, they're, you know, the medical system will wrap you in its arms and all will be well, you'll know what to do, you'll be speaking with the right people, and it's kind of, no, you actually have to take some action on behalf of yourself and your family. - Right. - To get that, so. - So, Lazer, growing up with Goldenhar Syndrome, what was some of the most significant challenges you encountered and how did you find the strength to overcome them? - I have a couple different answers for this, but one is, which is a very common answer, is just learning how to deal with people's reactions to you. - Right. - And I had a couple of like really, really hard moments that triggered like a whole bunch of years' worth of not wanting to be seen in public or like trying to literally hide the left side of my face. - Mm-hmm. - Because that's what I considered to be the more different side. Then, another one of the harder things has been dealing with my face changing so many times. - Mm-hmm. - It's like I get used to the way my face looks and then I have another surgery that is ultimately, of course, for the better, like betterment of my health, or at this point, I'm just now at the point where I can, I'm getting surgeries to more even out my appearance as well. - Right. - But learning to love each face that has come into my life over the 20 years has been one of the more interesting challenges, let's say. - Yeah. - And one of the main things that has like helped with that, honestly is just taking time. - Mm-hmm. - It took a lot of time for me to really start to, like, listen when my mom and like... my other close family members would say that, look, you really are beautiful. And I would always brush it off like, "Oh, no, you're just saying that you're my parents, "come on, shush." - Right, right, right. - One thing that ended up really helping with that was I got really bored in 2020, you know, quarantine time. - Mm-hmm. - And I was on TikTok a little bit before that, but I started just posting a whole bunch of different, like, content regarding what it's like to live with a facial difference. - Mm-hmm. - And a lot of them were more funny, but some of them were really like expressing how it feels to look different. Even though I did, I have gotten quite a few like nasty comments over the same years, just sharing, sharing that part of myself really helped ground ground me in the sense that I, in the knowing that I am different and that's not a bad thing. - Right. - And different is beautiful. - Exactly. And when you talk about, Lazer, about, you know, having surgeries in your face changing each time you have surgery, that's something that I've heard quite often from individuals in the craniofacial community, so I don't think you're alone in that. So you both have touched on it, but advocacy has become a significant part of both your lives. And so I'm wondering what motivated you to turn your personal experiences into a mission to support others in the craniofacial and rare disease communities? - Well, I can say for me, naturally people started referring people to me because I had bushwhacked a path through the jungle with a machete, and they were like- - Right. - "Talk to this lady, figured it out." So I naturally was doing that and I was passionate about it. And even to the extent where I had some medical professionals referring people to me, 'cause I could say things they couldn't say. Like, in this previous state we lived, G-tube food, once a kid had a G-tube, the doctor was legally responsible for failure to thrive. I'm doing a little quote marks off the screen, and failure to thrive in Lazer's case was, they were putting formula through the G-tube that was a bunch of chemicals and that didn't, Lazer's body didn't like that. - Right. - It's kind of a simple matter. But the doctor had responsibility... Like, in other words, if you have a non-G-tube food kid, you can feed them, you know, Velveeta and Cheetos and, you know, gummy bears and nothing else and nobody gets in between you, not that you should. - Right. - But... if you take your kid off of the prescribed G-tube food, you can have your kid taken away in the state that I was living in, so it started at a very young age, 'cause this medical person from DSHS couldn't tell people, "to use goat milk... "or use the breast milk bank." - You know, so she'd say- - Right. - "Talk to Amy." So, because that's how Lazer began thriving. - Right. - You know, just having natural food, so I worked out a special thing with the dietician to basically look the other way for a couple weeks. And if Lazer's weight went up, then we could, you know, have her look our way again. You know, these are the kinds of things, of course I would wanna help anybody that was, you know, right after me in the same

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  5. Two Sides to a Face: A Journey from Adversity to Advocacy

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    Two Sides to a Face: A Journey from Adversity to Advocacy

    On this month's myFace, myStory podcast episode host, Dina Zuckerberg, is joined by Chelsey Peat, born with Sturge-Weber Syndrome, and recently published author of her memoir, Two Sides to a Face. She will share her journey from childhood, marked by curiosity and challenges due to her condition, to her current achievements and advocacy work within the facial differences community. She hopes to serve as a beacon of hope, encouraging deeper understanding and acceptance for all who feel marginalized due to their physical appearance.   - [Announcer] Welcome to "myFace, myStory, Voices from the Craniofacial Community," with your host, Dina Zuckerberg. - Hello and welcome to "myFace, myStory, Voices from the Craniofacial Community." I'm Dina Zuckerberg, your host and Director of Family Programs at myFace. Like many of you listening, I have a craniofacial difference. I was born with a cleft lip, a hearing loss, and no vision in my left eye. "myFace, myStory" is about people like us being seen and heard, about sharing stories within the craniofacial community and with others. This podcast episode is made possible through support from the Integra Foundation, committed to improving lives. By the way, whether you're watching on YouTube or listening through Apple Podcasts, quick subscribe now, and we'll keep you updated on future episodes so you never miss out. And if you're a fan of "myFace, myStory," please rate and review the program on Apple Podcasts so we can get our message of inclusivity and empowerment to more people. Today I am joined by Chelsey Peat. Chelsey was born with Sturge-Weber syndrome, a rare condition that led to multiple surgeries, including a lifesaving brain surgery as an infant. Despite doctors predicting significant limitations, Chelsey has defied these expectations throughout her life. She graduated from high school and college, and she's currently pursuing a degree in sociology, alongside a certificate in diversity, equity, and inclusion. With nearly 40 years of personal experience living with a facial difference, Chelsey has faced and overcome numerous challenges, including discrimination and stigmatization. Her deep understanding of these issues is reflected in her work with various organizations where she educates and advocates for individuals with facial disfigurements, differences and disabilities. Chelsey's debut publication, "Two Sides of a Face," offers an inspirational narrative of her life. This memoir details her journey from childhood marked by curiosity and challenges due to her condition, to her current achievements and advocacy work within the facial difference community. The book explores themes of self-acceptance, self-love and resilience, highlighting pivotal moments that shaped her identity and empowered her to embrace her imperfections. Through personal anecdotes and her role as a mentor and public speaker, Chelsey's story in "Two Sides of a Face" is not just about overcoming facial differences, but about transforming adversity into advocacy. Welcome, Chelsey. I really look forward to our conversation. - Hi. - Hi. So glad you can join me today. - Thanks for having me. - You're welcome. So can you share with us the moment you first realized that your facial difference would significantly impact your life? - I wouldn't say it was an exact experience. Growing up, I think everyone that grows up with a facial difference, you kind of just, you know that you're different once you're old enough to just, you just know. - Right. - But definitely going to school and those younger years, there was definitely times where for sure there were the points, the whispers, the stares, the awkward moments, you know, awkward conversations with grownups, noticing people looking a little too long, you know, all those awkward. Yeah, those moments where it was just less than respectful. - Yes. I can relate to that somewhat. So for those that don't know in our audience, can you tell us about Sturge-Weber syndrome and how rare it is? If you know. - Of course. Sturge-Weber syndrome happens approximately one in 50,000. Now kids nowadays can, I think it's one in 10, can be born with a birthmark of some kind. But Sturge-Weber syndrome is far more complex. Everyone always kind of takes notes when you say syndrome, and they automatically assume that that means we have some sort of disability or learning development, when that's not the case. It just means syndrome multisystem. So I don't have a regular birth mark. I have a hemangioma or port-wine stain. It goes far beneath the surface of the skin. And it interplays with blood vessel involvement through all the crucial organs and tissue on, for example, with me, in my eye, my brain, throat, sinus passages, ear canals, all that fun stuff. - Wow. - Yeah. - I did not know that. So how many surgeries have you had? - Well I had my one major brain surgery as a baby. I have had multiple eye surgeries for the glaucoma in my left eye, and I have had, oh, probably close to 100 cosmetic procedures on the birthmark. - Wow. So what is the most challenging thing growing up for you? What was the most challenging? - Trying to fit in, trying to make a friend, trying to have that inclusive aspect, you know. We, of course, at least for myself, you know, we were growing up having shows tell us, you know, everyone, if you look alike, you get along. And knowing, you know, that was never going to be possible for someone like me. It was kind of growing up realizing I wasn't gonna be that sweet princess that gets her prince, like all the movies told me that I should be. If I'm pretty, I'll get that magical kiss and I'll get my happily ever after. And you know, it's that instead you're siding with the bad guys in the movies because you understand their tragic backstory. You know, you kinda understand the whole aspect of everyone, all the Disney characters that were getting pushed to the shadows or, you know, sent to the outcast, you know, aspect. It was, yeah, you connected more with that. And I found myself, you know, "Phantom of the Opera," "Hunchback of Notre Dame," anybody with a scar or a burn, you know, I didn't like the heroes in most movies because I thought they were just self-entitled, you know, pretty people. - Right. Right. - It was, you know, more of those, oh my goodness, that poor person, you know, they went through this horrific thing. Well, they're the bad guy because they look different. So I must be a bad guy. I must be a villain. And yeah, it was having to try and break free of that. - So how did all of that impact your self-identity, self-esteem, especially as a teenager? 'Cause that can be really hard, right? I mean, for anybody, but especially with a social difference. - Yeah. The teen years were hard. I can definitely agree there. It was, you know, I tell a lot of people that's probably the hardest battle, especially for someone with a different or of disability, is the battle of self love. You know, you're basically every day getting up out of bed and being told by the world around you that you don't belong, you will never succeed, you aren't pretty, you know, things won't come easy. And it's trying to kind of break apart from all of that, push it all away and go, actually I'm not normal, yes, but my journey is gonna be far more exciting. So it was kind of that aspect of self-love and going, I get to have a far more exciting journey. It's not going to be like everyone else's. Instead I get to do things I know for a fact people look at me at awe with and go, "Wow." And, you know, using that more as motivation than you're a scary monster go away. - So do you have a specific example of a story where you felt especially isolated or misunderstood? - I can definitely, I can think of several, but I know for me, one bad example was, I grew up just perfectly, elementary school started one year and I'd already been struggling a little bit with bullying. And unfortunately a Batman movie got released. And it just so timed, yeah, it just so timed perfectly that the bad guy was the infamous acid-burn survivor Two-Face. - Oh wow. - And I remember the previews. I remember looking at him and connecting with him on a level, going, "I look like him. This is exciting." But then realizing that's not a good thing. And having the kids at school, the ones that had gone and seen the movie, you know, run up and start calling me that and with fingers and, "She's so bad." You know, "Oh, where's Batman?" And having that whole negative aspect of, "Yeah, you're the bad guy, we don't wanna play with you." And, you know, struggling with that for sure. Yeah. - So how did you deal with that? I mean, it's interesting because I talk to kids all the time when I go into schools and I try to tell them what they can do if they're faced with this. But how, I mean, how did you address it or deal with it? Or did you? I mean... - I have to bless my family at this point because they raised me so strong and resiliently. And I think that's such a crucial aspect is, you know, once you have a child with a difference, it's not only exciting that you've, you know, educated yourself and all of that, but it's also learning those great advocacy techniques so that you can start teaching your child how to educate and, you know, kind of jump in and say, "Hi," and start that conversation and make people see that we're not scary and all of that. And I know my mother, I bless, you know, I'm thankful that I got her as a mom because she taught me very early, you know, don't worry about the staring. Don't worry about the ogles. Walk up, say, "Hi." Start the conversation, let them touch it if they want to, you know, let them talk to you. Let them see that you are completely normal. You just have a few extra blood vessels. And that was me on the school playground, "Hi, I'm Chelsey. Wanna go skipping, wanna go play, wanna go do something?" And yeah, I still dealt with some people that were extr

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  6. Finding Courage, Finding Self: A Conversation with David Cohen

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    Finding Courage, Finding Self: A Conversation with David Cohen

    On this month's myFace, myStory podcast host Dina Zuckerberg is joined by David Cohen, recipient of the 2024 myFace Courage Award. David talks about the dark twists on his journey of hope to acceptance of his life with Pierre Robin Sequence to who he is now. He shares what he thinks should be happening to support children and adults in the craniofacial community. Dina Zuckerberg: Welcome to myFace, myStory: Voices from the Craniofacial Community with your host, Dina Zuckerberg. Hello and welcome to Dina Zuckerberg: Voices from the Craniofacial Community. I'm Dina Zuckerberg, your host and director of family programs at myFace. Let me tell you a little bit about myself. Like many of us in the community, I have a craniofacial difference. I was born with a cleft lip, a hearing loss, and no vision in my left eye. myFace, myStory is about people like us being seen and heard about, sharing stories within the craniofacial community and with others. This podcast episode is made possible through support from the Integra Foundation committed to improving lives. By the way, whether you're watching on YouTube or listening through Apple Podcasts, click subscribe now and we'll keep you updated on future episodes so you never miss out. And if you're a fan of myFace, myStory please rate and review the program on Apple Podcasts so we can get a message of inclusivity and empowerment to more people. As we begin National Craniofacial Awareness Month I'm very excited about my guest today, the recipient of this year's myFace Courage Award. David Cohen was born with Stickler's Syndrome. One of the primary symptoms of Stickler is Pierre Robin sequence, a rare genetic disorder that stunts the growth of the lower jaw causing the person difficulties with swallowing and breathing. By the time David was 10 years old, he had undergone more than 10 craniofacial surgeries to correct this issue. David, welcome to myFace, myStory. David Cohen: Thanks for having me, Dina. Dina Zuckerberg: Yeah. So David, you've been on a very long what we like to call a journey of hope, which includes not taking no for an answer when the US Navy turned you down for service. So can you share with us, David, your earliest memory of knowing you had Pierre Robin sequence? David Cohen: My earliest memory is probably, and this is thanks to the capturing of it when we did myFace video, but it was probably my second jaw distraction surgery when I woke up in the hospital. Dina Zuckerberg: And can you say a little bit about what that was and what that was like? David Cohen: I was about eight years old, if I remember correctly. It was my second jaw distraction surgery. And at that time in my life, honestly, the biggest challenges were the mental health aspect and the isolation that came with it. I remember being in second grade and always being taken out of class, being sent back to school after the surgeries with jaw distraction devices and people, especially the other kids not understanding what was going on. I wasn't able to play with other kids my age. So the isolation that comes from that was probably the biggest challenge. But I had a loving family and I was lucky enough to have the incredible angelic team of doctors and nurses that I had. So we get through it. Dina Zuckerberg: So what were some of the challenges you faced in school? Did kids bully you? Did they stare? David Cohen: Absolutely kids bullied me. At eight years old, people don't understand what compassion is. People don't understand what looking past physical appearances looks like. So having metal devices on your head, it just calls me back to a specific memory when I was in a playground in Central Park and kids kept their distance noticeably saying that I had lasers on my head, looking like an alien. And it's incredibly isolating, especially for a child that young when you don't understand end that it's not your fault and you internalize it. So it creates a bunch of shame messages that become part of your being. And also there's a lot of internal resentment both towards yourself. For me, resentment towards my family and towards, especially my mother as an older kid came up like, why was I born this way? And I wasn't even able to process that and that didn't even come out until I was 24 years old, which is how old I am now. So it really does create, using a building reference, it creates a building on a very, very rotten foundation that it takes a lot of work to clean out and rebuild. Dina Zuckerberg: So how do you think those experiences shaped your identity as a person? David Cohen: Well, it's still an emotional journey, and it is very much about resilience and that the challenges that I had as a child have given me some of my best, but also some of my worst qualities. I'll start with the worst, so I can leave the note on a positive one, but I was very emotionally immature and I'm learning now how to properly handle my emotions also back then and until very recently, I felt like I was a burden and I was just work for the people around me. And I am starting to learn that that's not true. We need to accept who we are. We need to accept that our craniofacial differences make us assets, not liabilities, which I'll touch on in a little bit with the military, but we need to realize that it's who we are, and that's nothing to be ashamed of. That's something I'm still working on now. Dina Zuckerberg: Yeah, I can relate so much to what you're talking about in terms of the resilience and how, I think because of our experience, we had to constantly, I don't know if fight's the right word, but to push ourselves in a way that I think others outside of the community may not have to do in the same way always. David Cohen: Absolutely. Dina Zuckerberg: And I think that it is so much more about the emotional. I mean, somehow for me, the surgeries, it was sort of less about the surgeries, but more about the emotional piece, the social emotional piece that we have to contend with, I think in a way that, yeah, others don't. David Cohen: Surgeries are physical, surgeries are physical pain. They are tangible. They are finite in time, and they pass. When you heal, you stop hurting. It's over. The emotional piece is the untangible, the emotional piece, the incomprehensible, because it's not visible. For the listeners who have seen the video that was aired at the gala where I was presented with the Courage Award, I touch on a piece of self-harm. I started self-harming when I was 10 years old. And the reason why I started self-harming is because I was no stranger to physical pain because of my surgeries. Whereas the emotional pain that we were dealing with, that I was dealing with was uncomfortable. It was strange to me, and I didn't know when it would end. So a lot of people who self-harm, the reason why a lot of people self-harm is because it takes an emotional pain and converts it into a physical one, one that's tangible, one that you have control over. And that was one of the biggest things that I had to kick. And one of the biggest things that was detrimental to my self-esteem was the fact that I was still self-harming. And while it helps deal with the emotional pain, it also reinforces it. So in order to stop, in order to help yourself heal, you first have to let go of those negative patterns that reinforce that negative pain. Dina Zuckerberg: Right. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So how did your family, because I really believe that when you have a child with a craniofacial difference, it does impact the whole family, including the sibling. And I know you have a sister. How do you think it impacted the rest of the family? David Cohen: So my sister was born when I was six years old. Part of that resentment piece that I touched on earlier, especially if the sibling does not have a craniofacial difference and is born, as I like to a boring normie, it creates that resentment towards your sibling as well. For me, what it looked like was when my sister was born without a craniofacial challenge, to me, when my parents now are paying attention to this seemingly perfect newborn baby, that gave me the message that I only get the attention when I'm sick. I only get the attention when something is wrong with me, because at that point, I wasn't going through surgeries. And then to reinforce that message when I was eight years old and I had my second jaw distraction surgery, the attention went from my sister straight to me because we were doing the video, I was in and out of hospital. So that sort of was the nail in the coffin for that specific shame message. It also created a lot of resentment towards my sister because she, to me, to the six-year-old me, she was the one who took away the attention, the love from my parents. And the reason why it's stronger for people in the craniofacial community is because the attention that we need is so much more because there's a medical aspect to it. So the delta between the attention that you have and the attention that you don't, between, to boil it down into simple terms, sick and healthy is huge. And when you throw a sibling's birth into the mix of that, that is an existential factor that is, for us, makes it very easy to just zero in on that and use that as the cause of that [inaudible 00:12:59]. And in turn, to go back to your question, Dina, in turn, that causes a lot more stress on the family because now there's a innate sibling rivalry that it's not solvable by an existential solution. I mean, my relationship with my sister only started getting better when I left for college at the age of 17, the better half of 17 too, I was almost 18 when that happened. And we have a lot to work on. There's 18 years, or rather 12 years of trauma to work on that, that we need to sort of unbuild and rebuild. Dina Zuckerberg: Yeah, I think trauma is very real for people especially in the craniofacial community, and it's something I think about often how that

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myFace’s Dina Zuckerberg hosts a monthly broadcast and podcast series with interviews and roundtable discussions from the craniofacial community. myFace, myStory aims to help educate the public about craniofacial differences and what those with facial differences deal with as individuals and as a community. Sharing these stories will enable those within the community to feel empowered by letting them know they are not alone and that their voices are heard.