Beth Goldblatt is today’s guest. Beth is a Professor in the Faculty of Law at the University of Technology Sydney where her research and teaching sits at the intersection of feminist legal theory, equality, discrimination law and human rights. In recent years her work has become increasingly oriented towards how climate change impinges on social security and equality, and what role laws currently could play in remediating some of these harms. Beyond that though, and a large part of why I wanted to speak with Beth, was her work on how our current regulatory and legislative frameworks are inadequate to deal with how climate change has and will continue to drive loss and damage into the lives of those already structurally vulnerable to shocks and stresses, and those least responsible for this crisis in the first time. Beth outlines that we not only need new laws, but new ways of understanding law itself. In my darkest existential moments I put my last remaining eggs of hope in the law bucket. Yes - a sweeping legislative and regulatory reform process will do it. Once that happens, everything will finally fall into place. Facts will no longer be able to be ignored or dismissed, BAU and reality-avoidant executives have to make changes. So much of this chat is Beth reminding me about not only the likelihood of that magic wand solution but also that this type of change is based on the people we elect. I’m reminded - again - that change, and with it, power, lies in the hands of those who show up. For our laws to change, we need to elect different types of politicians. For different types of politicians to be elected, we need to support those types of people in our communities. To support those types of people in our communities we need to spend time finding them, helping them, supporting them. It’s mundane, seemingly pretty boring on paper and also a gambit that it’d even work - but it’s not only possible but is increasingly the last meaningful option. So I do believe the law is what’s most vital in the coming decade of climate action, but that requires new social norms and behaviours from people like you and I. Regenerative equality, the reconceptualisation of law, a quest for equality through the law - they’re possible, but take work, effort, time and showing up. As Beth explains in this episode, her experience growing up in apartheid South Africa was fundamental in shaping her understanding of justice, of taking a stand, and knowing that by doing that with others, radical, unimaginable change is possible. Beth Goldblatt opened my eyes and mind to new frames and perspectives I’ve been oblivious to over the last 25 years. I hope this chat has the same effect on you. Head to Reposit Power for $500 off your solar and battery installation. Send me a message Thanks for listening. Follow Finding Nature on Instagram