FinOps in Action

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Welcome to FinOps in Action! Join host, Taylor Houck, Each week, as he sits down with FinOps experts to explore the toughest challenges between FinOps and Engineering. This show is brought to you by PointFive - empowering teams to optimize cloud costs with deep detection and remediation tools that drive action.

  1. Effective Cloud Collaboration ft. Chitra Jadhav | Ep # 71

    1d ago

    Effective Cloud Collaboration ft. Chitra Jadhav | Ep # 71

    Are "bad tagging" and "unused resources" really the problem, or just the symptoms of a bigger one? In this episode of FinOps in Action, I sit down with senior FinOps manager Chitra Jadhav to explore what it truly takes to build a FinOps practice that lasts not just one that generates a list of recommendations nobody acts on. Drawing on eight years of building FinOps programs from the ground up across six or more organizations, Chitra explains how governance, culture, and cross functional collaboration are the real foundations of cloud cost optimization and why FinOps is only as powerful as the trust and authority an organization is willing to give it. From Architecture Review Boards to Production Readiness Reviews, this conversation unpacks how FinOps can embed itself into the engineering lifecycle before waste ever happens, and why the shift to AI spend makes getting those basics right more urgent than ever.   Here’s what we talked about: Why organizational recognition and governance are the prerequisites for any FinOps program to succeedHow to assess FinOps maturity using the FinOps Foundation framework as a starting pointWhy FinOps is a team sport and how to engage finance, engineering, procurement, and application teamsWhat ARBs and Production Readiness Reviews are and how FinOps earns a seat at the tableHow to approach optimization when native cloud provider recommendations run dryThe importance of the FinOps champion model when working across large engineering organizationsChapters: 00:47 Meet Chitra Jadhav 01:56 Why FinOps Matters 03:37 Starting From Scratch 03:52 Maturity Assessment Basics 04:48 Stakeholder Engagement Model 05:56 Where FinOps Reports 07:16 Defining Governance 08:14 FinOps Checkpoints ARB PRR 10:42 What Is an ARB 12:51 Running ARB Without Bloat 16:38 Shift Left to Optimization 18:22 Champion Model and Visibility 21:05 Authority Trust and Culture 25:29 Realistic Goals and Commitments 29:20 Beyond Native Recommendations AI 33:02 AI Spend and Future Wrap  🎧 Subscribe for more FinOps leadership conversations → https://www.finopsinaction.com/  Quote of the Show: "Instead of paying that money and incurring that waste, you are taking some steps proactively by making sure that you are present at these discussions." - Chitra Jadhav Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chitrajadhav/ Website: https://www.rogers.com/ Ways to Tune In: Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/f25a9d18-c12f-4ee4-93f5-2aa96e509b55 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finops-in-action/id1790497808 iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/268443483/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/finops-in-action-5958339 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IpjMc3qxDXZAjic5Zq21t Substack: https://finopsinaction.substack.com/ Transistor: finopsinaction.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PointFive_Inc

    38 min
  2. Engineering Meets FinOps ft. Matan Ben-Ishay, Credit Karma | Ep #70 ft. Matan Ben-Ishay, Credit Karma | Ep #70

    May 21

    Engineering Meets FinOps ft. Matan Ben-Ishay, Credit Karma | Ep #70 ft. Matan Ben-Ishay, Credit Karma | Ep #70

    What if your biggest cloud inefficiency isn’t how much you’re using, but how long your workloads are running? In this special episode of FinOps in Action, PointFive’s Co-Founder and CPO, Gal Ben David sits down with Matan Ben-Ishay, leading FP&A, Engineering, and Cloud Infrastructure at Credit Karma, to unpack a real world cloud efficiency discovery that led to tens of millions of dollars in savings without reducing usage or cutting performance. Matan shares how a simple assumption about “cheaper” CPUs quietly inflated costs, why billing data alone didn’t reveal the problem, and how true FinOps impact only happens when finance and engineering work side by side. We also covered how FinOps wins happen at the intersection of finance, engineering, and product and how understanding accounting concepts is a career advantage in FinOps.   Here’s what we talked about: How a hidden GCP dataflow inefficiency cost tens of millions until Matan sat with engineers and discovered faster CPUs actually cost less per hourWhy rigid governance policies backfire and how flexible guidelines that encourage engineers to evaluate their actual workload needs prevent wasteWhy FinOps professionals need to understand accounting concepts (depreciation, amortization, commitments)The emerging need for cloud efficiency engineers embedded in teams who can bridge the gap between FinOps strategy and hands on optimization workHow running parallel tests of old vs. new approaches proves value to skeptical engineers and turns short-term testing costs into long-term savingsThe structural friction between engineering OKRs (focused on launches and reliability) and cost efficiency, and why engineers should treat cloud spend like any other company resource Chapters: 00:00 FinOps Is Everyone’s Job 00:16 Special Episode Setup 01:27 Meet Matan Ben-Ishay 02:14 The Incentives Mistake 05:12 Speed vs Cost in AI 07:30 How to Motivate Engineers 10:19 Scaling Best Practices Org-Wide 13:27 Where FinOps Should Sit 18:02 Guardrails and Shared Ownership 20:55 Fleet Guardrails Matter 21:38 Hidden Waste Over Time 22:47 Can We Prevent Waste 25:56 Tactical vs Strategic Waste 27:00 FinOps on GCP Reality 29:14 Commitment Forecasting Playbook 32:30 FinOps Parenting Hacks 35:31 Personal Picks and Growth 37:53 Closing and Where to Connect 🎧 Subscribe for more FinOps leadership conversations → https://www.finopsinaction.com/  Quote of the Show: “We need those cloud efficiency engineers in order to understand.” - Matan Ben-IshayLinks: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matan-ben-ishay/ Website: https://www.creditkarma.com/ Ways to Tune In: Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/f25a9d18-c12f-4ee4-93f5-2aa96e509b55 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finops-in-action/id1790497808 iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/268443483/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/finops-in-action-5958339 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IpjMc3qxDXZAjic5Zq21t Substack: https://finopsinaction.substack.com/ Transistor: finopsinaction.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PointFiveCloudCostEfficiency

    39 min
  3. How to Make Shared Data Costs Transparent at Scale ft. Oliver Milke, TD | Ep #69

    May 14

    How to Make Shared Data Costs Transparent at Scale ft. Oliver Milke, TD | Ep #69

    How do you make cloud data costs transparent and actionable when thousands of users share the same platform? In this episode of FinOps in Action, I sit down with Oliver Milke from TD, who shares how he built a Data FinOps practice from the ground up inside a large financial institution, starting as a team of one and scaling into a dedicated function. Coming from a background in economics and finance, Oliver offers a unique perspective on cloud cost optimization. Rather than focusing solely on infrastructure, his team goes one level deeper: tracking and allocating costs at the data layer, down to individual tables, workloads, and user groups. The conversation explores why traditional FinOps models fall short for shared data platforms, how transparency drives accountability, and what it takes to operationalize cost awareness across thousands of users. Oliver also breaks down the role of education, chargeback, and engineering collaboration in building a sustainable FinOps practice.   Here’s what we talked about: What “Data FinOps” is and how it differs from traditional FinOpsWhy shared data platforms require a fundamentally different cost modelBuilding cost visibility down to the table and workload levelMoving from showback to chargeback and how it shifts user behaviorPlatform vs. workload-level optimization strategiesThe role of education and change management in FinOps successChapters: 00:00 - Data FinOps Origins 00:20 - Show Intro Guest Setup 01:40 - What Is Data FinOps 03:37 - Cloud Migration Spark 05:03 - Finance Mindset Meets Engineering 06:22 - FinOps Hub Cost Transparency 07:59 - Monthly Reviews And Chargeback 10:09 - Optimization Strategy Overview 12:17 - Databricks Efficiency Playbook 17:31 - Spot Instances Adoption 19:45 - Education As A Pillar 23:24 - Building The FinOps Team 25:59 - Advice For New Practitioners 28:06 - AI In FinOps Next Wave 30:55 - Running For Campfire Circle 33:03 - Closing And Where To Connect  🎧 Subscribe for more FinOps leadership conversations → https://www.finopsinaction.com/  Quote of the Show:“We recognized that this cannot be a one-off, but it needs to be a permanent ongoing thing.” - Oliver Milke Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/oliver-milke/ Website: https://www.td.com/us/en/personal-banking  Ways to Tune In: Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/f25a9d18-c12f-4ee4-93f5-2aa96e509b55 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finops-in-action/id1790497808 iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/268443483/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/finops-in-action-5958339 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IpjMc3qxDXZAjic5Zq21t Substack: https://finopsinaction.substack.com/ Transistor: finopsinaction.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PointFive_Inc

    34 min
  4. Why Cloud Costs Are an Architecture Problem ft. Shailaja Beeram | Ep #68

    May 7

    Why Cloud Costs Are an Architecture Problem ft. Shailaja Beeram | Ep #68

    Are “idle resources” really the problem, or just the easiest one to fix? In this episode of FinOps in Action, I sit down with cloud architect and engineer Shailaja Beeram to explore a fundamentally different perspective: cost inefficiencies don’t start in the billing file, but in architectural decisions made long before deployment. Drawing on over 15 years of experience across AWS, Azure, and GCP, Shailaja explains how the way systems are designed, scaled, and evolved over time has a far greater impact on cloud spend than most teams realize. From “zombie” networking resources to overlooked outbound traffic patterns, this conversation unpacks the hidden layers of cloud cost and why FinOps and architecture must converge to solve them.   Here’s what we talked about: Why cloud inefficiencies often stem from architecture and not just unused resourcesHow NAT Gateways and private endpoints quietly drive unnecessary spendWhat “zombie resources” are and how they accumulate over timeWhy background traffic can mask true resource idlenessThe importance of revisiting architectural decisions as systems evolveThe growing convergence of FinOps and cloud architectureChapters: 00:00 - Architecture Drives Cost 00:34 - Meet the Guest Architect 01:46 - When Cost Became the Job 03:04 - Networking Zombie Resources 05:32 - NAT Gateway Design Traps 07:11 - Spotting Hidden Traffic 10:34 - Azure Functions NAT Story 12:30 - Private Endpoints and Drift 16:53 - Shift Left Cost Awareness 19:20 - Balancing Risk and Cost 22:46 - Advice for Both Sides 26:41 - AI Impact on FinOps 27:53 - Volunteering and Closing 30:37 - Outro and Sponsor  🎧 Subscribe for more FinOps leadership conversations → https://www.finopsinaction.com/  Quote of the Show: “FinOps… it doesn’t need to be separated. It should be a part of how you think about the architecture.” - Shailaja BeeramLinks: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shailaja-beeram-82324310a/ Ways to Tune In: Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/f25a9d18-c12f-4ee4-93f5-2aa96e509b55 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finops-in-action/id1790497808 iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/268443483/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/finops-in-action-5958339 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IpjMc3qxDXZAjic5Zq21t Substack: https://finopsinaction.substack.com/ Transistor: finopsinaction.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PointFiveCloudCostEfficiency

    31 min
  5. Using Unit Economics to Optimize Cloud Spend & Improve Margins ft. Kevin Mueller, Presidio | Ep #67

    Apr 30

    Using Unit Economics to Optimize Cloud Spend & Improve Margins ft. Kevin Mueller, Presidio | Ep #67

    Are you actually measuring the value of your cloud spend or just tracking the cost? In this episode of FinOps in Action, I sit down with Kevin Mueller, Principal Architect of Cloud FinOps at Presidio, to unpack one of the most talked-about and most misunderstood concepts in FinOps: unit economics. With over 20 years of experience spanning software engineering, AWS SaaS architecture, and cloud financial management, Kevin shares a grounded, practical perspective on why most organizations struggle to implement unit economics and how to actually get started. The conversation explores the gap between visibility and action, why traditional cost allocation models fall short, and how engineering, product, finance, and sales all benefit when cloud spend is tied directly to business value. Kevin also dives into real-world examples, from optimizing SQL queries and Kubernetes workloads to navigating the growing complexity of AI-driven infrastructure. If you’ve ever wondered how to move beyond dashboards and into meaningful optimization, or how to prove that your cloud investment is truly productive, this episode is for you. Here’s what we talked about: Why most companies still aren’t doing unit economics (and what separates those who do it well)The difference between unit metrics and unit economicsHow to move from high-level allocation to actionable, engineering-driven insightsHow to approach tagging without overcomplicating your systemWhy AI is the next major FinOps challenge (and opportunity)The biggest challenges with shared resources like Kubernetes and what actually drives optimization Chapters: 00:00 - Cloud Cost Tradeoffs 01:31 - Kevin’s FinOps Journey 03:13 - Unit Economics Reality Check 04:18 - Defining Unit Economics 05:46 - How to Implement It 09:26 - Metrics That Drive Action 14:10 - Allocation Products vs Teams 20:26 - Tagging Without Pain 23:02 - Kubernetes Cost Challenges 24:51 - K8s Optimization Basics 26:18 - Architecture Choices with Units 28:04 - AI as Shared Spend 30:13 - Measuring AI Value 32:28 - AI for FinOps Teams 35:41 - Life on the Farm 37:54 - Wrap Up and Where to Connect  🎧 Subscribe for more FinOps leadership conversations → https://www.finopsinaction.com/  Quote of the Show: “It's so easy in FinOps to measure all of this stuff, put it in a dashboard and look at it and feel happy that it's there, but you need to drive towards action.” - Kevin MuellerLinks: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinmueller/ Website: https://www.presidio.com/ Ways to Tune In: Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/f25a9d18-c12f-4ee4-93f5-2aa96e509b55 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finops-in-action/id1790497808 iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/268443483/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/finops-in-action-5958339 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IpjMc3qxDXZAjic5Zq21t Substack: https://finopsinaction.substack.com/ Transistor: finopsinaction.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PointFiveCloudCostEfficiency

    39 min
  6. Dashboards Don't Save Money, Action Does ft. Cristian Magherusan-Stanciu, Leaner Cloud | Ep # 66

    Apr 23

    Dashboards Don't Save Money, Action Does ft. Cristian Magherusan-Stanciu, Leaner Cloud | Ep # 66

    Why do cloud costs stay high even after you build all the right dashboards? In this episode of FinOps in Action, I sit down with Cristian Magherusan-Stanciu, Founder and Cloud Optimization Specialist at Leaner Cloud. With over 20 years in systems engineering and a background at Nokia, HERE Technologies, and AWS, Cristian built AutoSpotting, an open source tool that has helped more than 10,000 customers save money on EC2. Cristian shared his hard-won framework for turning cloud cost insights into real savings, why automation alone will never be enough, and how AI has multiplied his output as a solo operator by an order of magnitude. We also covered the hidden business context that can turn a routine optimization into a $30K/month win, and why cost avoidance is just as important as cost reduction when your cloud bill keeps growing.   Here’s what we talked about: Dashboards are only half the story and prioritize action over visibility. The biggest gains come to teams that actually implement recommendations, not just track them.Right size incrementally, not aggressively. Cutting a resource by 8x in one step is risky instead halve it, observe, and iterate to avoid introducing performance problems.Match your optimization approach to the application’s needs. Latency sensitive workloads, HA setups, and DR resources may appear wasteful but serve critical purposes and always bring engineering context into the conversation.Look beyond the metric to find the real opportunity. A $30K/month Aurora IO bill pointed to a forgotten database no one needed anymore and the fix wasn’t optimization, it was deletion.Track cost avoidance, not just savings. In high-growth environments, a flat or rising bill can still represent millions saved and measure what you would have paid without the work.AI has changed the game for solo practitioners. Cristian built in weeks what previously took a year or two, enabling him to ship a SaaS product and 30+ optimization tools as a one-person shop. Chapters: 00:00 - Dashboards Don't Save Money 00:19 - Show And Guest Intro 01:47 - Take Action First 04:00 - From Level Zero To Savings 06:08 - Prioritize Engineer Time 07:35 - Automation Without Breaking Things 10:07 - Working With DevOps And Devs 12:05 - When Engineers Push Back 14:17 - Cost Vs Risk And Context 16:09 - Big Wins That Repeat 20:00 - Common Waste Patterns 21:17 - The 30K Database Shutdown 24:19 - Proving Value Amid Growth 31:44 - AI Boosting FinOps Output  🎧 Subscribe for more FinOps leadership conversations → https://www.finopsinaction.com/  Quote of the Show: "In just a few weeks with AI, I built what previously would have taken me a year or two. It's at least an order of magnitude more output per unit of time." - Cristian Magherusan-Stanciu Links: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cristimagherusan/ Website: https://leanercloud.com/ Website: https://autospotting.io/  Ways to Tune In: Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/f25a9d18-c12f-4ee4-93f5-2aa96e509b55 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finops-in-action/id1790497808 iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/268443483/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/finops-in-action-5958339 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IpjMc3qxDXZAjic5Zq21t Substack: https://finopsinaction.substack.com/ Transistor: finopsinaction.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PointFiveCloudCostEfficiency

    41 min
  7. The Costs Hidden in Plain Sight ft. Nick Sudarikov, InvestCloud | Ep # 65

    Apr 16

    The Costs Hidden in Plain Sight ft. Nick Sudarikov, InvestCloud | Ep # 65

    Why do so many FinOps practitioners miss the biggest savings opportunities, and what does getting technical have to do with it? In this episode of FinOps in Action, I sit down with Nick Sudarikov, Finance Director of Technology Operations at InvestCloud, to break down how a background in finance and capital markets can actually make you a sharper, more effective FinOps practitioner. Nick shares how he went from investment banker to hands on FinOps engineer, built a local AI powered stack to query billing data in plain English, and uncovered years of forgotten cloud spend hiding in plain sight. We also cover why most cost tools will never catch your biggest waste, how to map cloud spend to real business value, and what it actually takes to have meaningful conversations with engineering teams.  Here’s what we talked about: Why FinOps practitioners should set up their own cloud accounts and get hands-on experience with the technologyHow understanding engineering workflows changes the conversation with tech teamsThe hidden cost problem that anomaly detection tools will never catchHow Nick uses DuckDB, Parquet files, and AI to query billing data in plain EnglishWhy AI is set to boost FinOps productivity by a factor of 10 and which tools risk losing market share if they don't adaptThe importance of mapping cloud spend to business value before making any optimization recommendations  Chapters: 00:00 - Cost Tool Reality Check 00:17 - Show Intro and Guest 01:36 - Why FinOps Needs Hands On 03:28 - Automation and AI Effort 04:23 - From Finance to Tech 06:57 - Early Cloud and Cost Lessons 10:58 - Startups vs Enterprise Scale 12:04 - Legacy Workloads and Risk 14:32 - Value Chain Before Optimizing 17:30 - Finding Hidden Waste Patterns 19:48 - Local AI for Billing Data 26:30 - Future AI and Closing  🎧 Subscribe for more FinOps leadership conversations → https://www.finopsinaction.com/  Quote of the Show: "If you haven't started a Docker container ever in your life, probably you're missing out on a lot of things in FinOps." - Nick SudarikovLinks: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nikolaysudarikov/Website: https://investcloud.com/ Ways to Tune In: Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/f25a9d18-c12f-4ee4-93f5-2aa96e509b55 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finops-in-action/id1790497808 iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/268443483/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/finops-in-action-5958339 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IpjMc3qxDXZAjic5Zq21t Substack: https://finopsinaction.substack.com/ Transistor: finopsinaction.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PointFiveCloudCostEfficiency

    33 min
  8. How to Reduce Cloud Costs Without Sacrificing Performance ft. Jason Ward, C.H. Robinson | Ep #64

    Apr 9

    How to Reduce Cloud Costs Without Sacrificing Performance ft. Jason Ward, C.H. Robinson | Ep #64

    Why are your cloud costs so high and what actually fixes them? In this episode of FinOps in Action, I sit down with Jason Ward, Lead FinOps Practitioner at C.H. Robinson, to break down how to take control of cloud spend without slowing down engineering. Jason shares how he went from mechanic to FinOps leader, built a FinOps function from scratch, and uncovered massive savings, including a 90% cost reduction from a single optimization. We also cover how to work with engineers (not against them), why most cost recommendations fail, and what it really takes to build a sustainable FinOps practice. Here’s what we talked about: How to cut cloud costs without impacting performanceWhy data, not recommendations should drive decisionsHow to get engineers to actually buy into FinOpsThe importance of tagging and cost visibility early onWhen NOT to optimize and why some “waste” is intentionalHow AI is changing cloud spend and what to watch out forChapters: 00:00 - Why Engineers Ignore Small Savings 01:45 - From Mechanic to Cloud Engineer 03:48 - Discovering Cloud Cost Impact 04:48 - Starting FinOps at CH Robinson 06:17 - Early Wins VM Right Sizing 07:19 - Handling Engineer Pushback 09:51 - Tooling Shift to Datadog 11:12 - AKS Tuning 90 Percent Savings 13:15 - Building a Real FinOps Program 14:29 - Executive Buy In and Chargeback 17:38 - Kubernetes Scaling and Hybrid Costs 24:31 - AI Spend and Career Wrap Up  🎧 Subscribe for more FinOps leadership conversations → https://www.finopsinaction.com/  Quote of the Show: “Without that executive buy-in… most engineers… don’t care so much about the bottom line.” – Jason WardLinks: LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jward2/Website: https://www.chrobinson.com/en-us/Ways to Tune In: Amazon Music: https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/f25a9d18-c12f-4ee4-93f5-2aa96e509b55 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/finops-in-action/id1790497808 iHeart Radio: https://iheart.com/podcast/268443483/ Podchaser: https://www.podchaser.com/podcasts/finops-in-action-5958339 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/3IpjMc3qxDXZAjic5Zq21t Substack: https://finopsinaction.substack.com/ Transistor: finopsinaction.com YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PointFiveCloudCostEfficiency

    33 min
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Welcome to FinOps in Action! Join host, Taylor Houck, Each week, as he sits down with FinOps experts to explore the toughest challenges between FinOps and Engineering. This show is brought to you by PointFive - empowering teams to optimize cloud costs with deep detection and remediation tools that drive action.

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