Five with Fry

Dr. Jen Fry
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Five with Fry is your go-to podcast for understanding conflict—where it comes from, why it shows up, and how to handle it with clarity and intention. On each episode, Dr. Jen Fry breaks down the moments we avoid, the reactions we default to, and the skills it takes to move through conflict without blowing things up or shutting down.

  1. 1D AGO

    S3 Ep6: A Retreat Can’t Carry What Leaders Avoid

    A retreat can’t carry everything leadership has been avoiding. When leaders wait until everyone is in the room to finally name the real issues, the retreat starts from defense instead of honesty. People are surprised. They get guarded. And now the thing that should have been part of an ongoing conversation becomes the thing everyone has to manage for the next two days. This episode is about the conversations leaders avoid before retreats: peer accountability, performance gaps, role confusion, decision authority, and trust that has been wearing down over time. Because if leaders are holding everyone else accountable but not each other, people notice. If no one knows who owns the work, things get dropped. If decisions are made by habit instead of clarity, people keep passing the buck. The work is to say it earlier. Say it clearly. Prepare people for the conversation instead of surprising them with it once they arrive. A retreat should help a team keep moving through the hard work, not become the first place leadership finally says what has been true for months.

    6 min

  2. APR 28

    S3 Ep5: You Can’t Call It Safe Without Accountability

    Calling a retreat a safe space is only the beginning. If leaders have not decided what accountability looks like inside that space, people are being asked to trust a promise that may not hold once someone gets uncomfortable. That matters, because hard conversations do not just create honesty. They can also create defensiveness, raised voices, table-slapping, cursing, dismissal, and emotional reactions that make other people decide they are done speaking. In this episode, Jen talks about psychological safety through the lens of accountability. Before leaders ask people to name what is hard, they need to prepare for the what-if moments. What if a supervisor gets defensive? What if a high performer shuts someone down? What if someone crosses a line in front of the whole group? Who steps in? What happens next? How quickly does it happen? A retreat cannot create real movement if safety depends on everyone behaving perfectly on their own. People need to know the standard before the conversation starts, and they need to see that standard held when it matters. That is how accountability and psychological safety sit together, and that is what makes a retreat more than a temporary reset.

    6 min

  3. APR 21

    S3 Ep4: Your Offsite Doesn’t Need More Trust Falls

    Most retreats promise alignment and come-home energy, yet teams often return to the same old friction by Monday. We open the curtain on why that happens and make a bold case: conflict isn’t a problem to avoid at an offsite, it’s the work that makes the investment pay off. When you treat conflict as data, you expose misalignment, clarify expectations, and rebuild trust in a way that rah-rah moments never will. We break down the cost of silence—lost innovation, stalled growth, and fading retention—and explain how unspoken resentment quietly taxes every meeting and decision. Then we shift from theory to practice: what it means to “go to the smoke,” how to replace open-ended venting with facilitated structure, and why norms, prompts, and decision protocols transform heat into movement. You’ll hear how to spot the difference between a values clash, a resource gap, and a process failure, and how that precision creates faster, safer decisions. This conversation offers a blueprint for conflict literacy that any team can use. We walk through designing a retreat that surfaces the issues everyone tiptoes around, holds the tension long enough to learn, and leaves with clear agreements that actually change Monday. If your culture feels stuck, if your offsites keep resetting instead of transforming, or if leaders seem allergic to hard conversations, this is your field guide to turn a retreat into a true turning point. If you’re planning an offsite or bringing in a facilitator, share this episode with your team and reach out to book us. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what’s the one conversation your team needs to have next?

    6 min

  4. APR 14

    S3 Ep3: Reset Expectations, Repair Gaps, Rebuild Culture

    You can learn a lot about a team from the second after somebody says the thing everybody has been avoiding. That pause tells the truth fast. Somebody usually tries to rescue the room, smooth it over, or move on before anyone has to sit in what just got exposed. That is the conversation I got into here. Not whether conflict belongs at a retreat. Whether the room can actually hold tension long enough to tell the truth about what is off. Because a lot of teams confuse silence with maturity. They call it professionalism. They call it protecting the space. But when nobody can stay with a hard moment, trust gets thinner, not stronger. People learn how to manage discomfort, not how to work through conflict. I talk about why facilitation matters, what makes a hard conversation useful instead of messy, and why the room right after the truth comes out is where real trust either starts getting built or starts getting lost.

    6 min

  5. APR 7

    S3 Ep2: More "Good Vibes" is Not a Culture Strategy

    You can build a retreat around laughter, bonding, and a packed schedule and still come back to the exact same tension. That is the problem Jen names here. When teams keep asking how to make the retreat fun before they name what is actually off, fun starts doing work it was never built to do. Jen gets into the difference between feeling good together and being able to work well together. Those are not the same thing. A few shared activities might make people more relaxed, but they will not explain why someone avoids a coworker, hesitates to speak honestly with a boss, or keeps sidestepping a hard conversation. She also pushes on a belief that quietly causes problems in a lot of teams: the idea that if people are not close friends, they cannot work together well. That is not true. Sometimes the goal is not closeness. Sometimes the goal is a solid working relationship with clearer expectations, more honesty, and less avoidance. Fun can support the room, but it cannot repair the culture for you. If the retreat is going to matter, the team has to name the real issue, make space for honest conversation, and leave with something more useful than a few good photos and a lighter mood.

    6 min

  6. MAR 31

    S3 Ep1: Why Most Retreats Fail Before They Start

    Everybody usually knows why the retreat is happening before the retreat ever starts. The problem is that teams often build the agenda around relief instead of clarity. So people leave with photos, a few good moments, and the same tension waiting for them the next week. This conversation gets underneath that pattern. Jen talks about why vague goals like “we need to communicate better” keep teams stuck, and why a retreat only becomes useful when the actual problem is named clearly enough to work on. Not the polished version. The real one. She also gets into leadership accountability, because retreat failure is rarely just about staff buy-in. It shows up when the people with the most power avoid looking at the behaviors that are shaping the room in the first place. If leaders are unwilling to name what they need to change, the retreat turns into a break from the problem instead of a turning point. The question is simple: what needs to look different by Monday? If you’re planning a retreat, leading a team, or trying to figure out why your offsites never quite land, this episode gets specific about what has to be named before anybody walks in.

    6 min

  7. MAR 10

    S2 Ep9: Conflict Isn't the Villain

    This season kept coming back to the same place: leadership starts with self. Not with strategy. Not with authority. With your patterns. Conflict does not come out of nowhere. Your responses were shaped long before this role, this team, or this title. Family systems, early authority, and unspoken rules taught you what felt safe, what felt risky, and what felt necessary when tension showed up. If you do not know what you learned, you will keep calling your reflexes leadership. Across this season, we talked about what it takes to slow that reflex down. Self-awareness as a real advantage. Triggers and emotional regulation as leadership skills. The stories you tell yourself before you ever ask a question. The difference between defending and being defensive. Who is actually allowed to tell you the truth. And why trust grows when people own impact instead of pretending nothing happened. This recap is a reminder that conflict is not the problem. The problem is running the same pattern without examining it. If this season stayed with you, go back and sit with the episodes that hit a nerve. And if your team needs help doing this work together, I also offer keynotes, workshops, and facilitation. Let's chat.

    6 min

  8. MAR 3

    S2 Ep8: "I’m Sorry You Felt That Way" is a Trash Apology

    Repair is where leadership gets exposed. Not when things are smooth. Not when the meeting goes well. After you interrupt someone. After you dismiss a concern. After you get it wrong. Most leaders don’t struggle with saying “I’m sorry.” They struggle with what happens next. The explanation comes quickly. The intent gets clarified. The wording sounds mature. But the impact remains untouched. When you center your intent, you shift the conversation away from the harm and toward protecting your image. And if you’re focused on intent, you’re not focused on impact. Real repair requires naming what you did and how it landed, without disclaimers. It’s uncomfortable because it forces you to sit with your part. But that’s where credibility is built. Not through perfection. Through ownership. If you lead people, this one matters. Repair isn’t dramatic. It’s specific. And it shapes the culture more than any policy ever will.

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Five with Fry is your go-to podcast for understanding conflict—where it comes from, why it shows up, and how to handle it with clarity and intention. On each episode, Dr. Jen Fry breaks down the moments we avoid, the reactions we default to, and the skills it takes to move through conflict without blowing things up or shutting down.

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  • Creator
    Dr. Jen Fry
  • Years Active
    2025 - 2026
  • Episodes
    70
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