Flanigan's Eco-Logic

Ted Flanigan

Flanigan's Eco-Logic, hosted by Ted Flanigan, provides cutting-edge information and insights in sustainability and the clean energy space. Episodes address alternative energy -- featuring solar, storage, microgrids, vehicle grid integration, and energy access. In addition, the podcast covers resources issues -- like water and food issues, and even slow fashion. Flanigan’s enthusiasm, vast experience, and deep network in the energy and environmental arena are palpable as he brings exciting and encouraging green developments to the fore, interviewing and engaging leading policy makers and practitioners throughout the United States and in many countries around the world.

  1. Gareth Evans -- Driving Down Business Energy Costs

    1d ago

    Gareth Evans -- Driving Down Business Energy Costs

    Gareth Evans is the founder and CEO of Veckta, an energy consulting firm that advises businesses on how to take control of their energy costs. Far from taking passive positions, and given rising energy costs, he encourages businesses to explore their options using tools such as onsite energy production, energy efficiency, and energy storage. Veckta develops custom solutions and then employs its platform of ~4,000 vendors to fulfill strategies based on a particular company's needs... be it cost savings, energy resilience, cutting emissions, brand recognition, or prioritizing between locations. What Gareth has realized since founding Veckta in 2019, is that companies need a playbook. While companies are naturally expert in their own lines of business, since energy costs represent up to 40% of operating costs, rather than letting energy costs spiral upward... companies need to be made aware of their opportunities to not only stem costs, but to create new revenue centers. To spread the word, Gareth has recently written the playbook, a book called "Powering Profits." It was released on May 19, 2026 and is available on Amazon. Gareth's career in energy  began in oil and gas. In 2009, and right after the Gulf War, he was dispatched to Iraq to determine the steps required to rebuild the war-ravaged oil and gas infrastructure in Iraq as a precursor for major oil companies restarting operations there. He was stationed at a U.S. Army base in Basra, and describes mortar attacks, his detail of body guards and more. In that very dangerous capacity, he was made painfully aware of the complex and costly infrastructure needed to extract oil and gas, and beyond that, he took stock at how these precious resources were exported to foreign countries, often for inefficient uses.  In Iraq, Gareth also witnessed the gross disparity between the major international, fossil fuel conglomerates, and the people in Iraq who were lacking access to energy... often with very limited electricity, and often without air conditioning in the desert heat of summer there. His experiences shaped his perspectives, that energy is the lifeblood of economies around the world. Too many of us take it for granted. For 15 years Gareth worked for Worley/Parsons, nine years of which he worked for its consulting division -- Advisian -- helping to establish energy infrastructure in countries around the world. His frustration with writing plans and giving presentations, often followed by inaction, led him to form Veckta. Through his own company, he was and continues to be determined to see plans through to action... realizing actual projects to manage energy and its costs most wisely in dynamic markets. This is the gist of Powering Profits: challenging the status quo, adapting purposefully, and empowering co-creation as taking action, Gareth notes, is a team sport. The book makes clear the options that businesses have to control their costs and footprints. It also highlights the cost of inaction, and while fear of failure is understandable and a more powerful emotion than the possibility of victory, how companies can reward action. It's a book for business leaders, a playbook that he hopes will result in hugely positive returns for those companies that take its messages and strategies to heart... and to action.

    33 min
  2. Allen Hershkowitz PhD -- Climate and Sports

    May 25

    Allen Hershkowitz PhD -- Climate and Sports

    Allen Hershkowitz PhD is an environmental scientist who joined Ted for an update conversation. Allen has worked at the confluence of climate and sports for 25 years. He first recorded on Flanigan's Eco-Logic in March of 2022 highlighting his early influences and early career... including 28 years at the Natural Resources Defense Council. There he met the actor Robert Redford who encouraged him to create an alliance of sports leagues and teams to promote efficiency, sustainability, and climate protection. That gave rise to the Green Sports Alliance which Allen ran for years.  The update starts off with the big picture: It is certainly encouraging, Allen acknowledges, that today nearly every major sports league and each venue has a sustainability plan. But Allen points squarely to the current rollback in federal support for greening. This has retarded progress and has made his work more difficult. And while top athletes earn huge salaries, sporting venues are business ventures. They are tight on cash and scrutinize all expenditures carefully. Allen discussed his current work for the New York Yankees and Pittsburgh Pirates, overseeing engineering audits of their stadiums, detailing their technical potentials at different returns on investment. Allen noted that many of his colleagues at venues wish that there were federal requirements for efficiency and greenhouse gas reductions... turning CFOs' view from "would be nice" to " must do it." Allen mentions the Trump administration pulling the United States out of the Paris Accord, gutting the EPA and other agencies, and how these actions have deflated some of his American work, while Europe and Australia have maintained strict greening laws. In the early days of the Green Sports Alliance one of Allen's great triumphs was getting Bud Selig, head of the Major League Baseball, to say that climate change is real. A recent success was getting the Yankees management to host the United Nations at its stadium and to pledge its ongoing support for the Paris Accords despite Washington. Next week, Allen is off to the French Open tennis tournament in Paris to see the tournament and to participate in meetings. He recants the story of how he was introduced bo Billie Jean King years ago, and how she had wanted to green the United States Tennis Association (USTA). Allen dreamed of all the tennis grand slams... French Open, Australian Open, Wimbleton... to adhere to the sustainability standards of the USTA. Now they do! Ted and Allen discuss the upcoming Olympics in in Los Angeles... LA 28. Allen states that the International Olympic Committee (IOC) sets the gold standard for green events. The two biggest impacts of an Olympic games is building venues and transporting fans to the events. In LA, there will be no new construction. Instead, the games spread around to existing venues. Electric buses and shuttles are planned for Olympians. The IOC is also investing in the legacy of the LA Olympics, funding LA non-profits focused on resilience and working with the Los Angeles Cleantech Incubator (LACI) to take lessons learned in greening the Olympics to future events and applications.

    34 min
  3. Jon Edlin - Tornado Preparedness and Survival

    May 18

    Jon Edlin - Tornado Preparedness and Survival

    Jon Edlin, his wife, and two small children survived an EF-3 tornado that swept through their suburb of Nashville, Tennessee on a dark night in March 2020. Jon had grown up in Kansas, was used to hearing tornado reports, thought little of them, but quickly ushered his family into their "safe space" when meteorologists' alerts of a tornado on the ground in his neighborhood came through his cell line. All told, the tornado that night left a 63-mile swath of destruction... killing 25 people. His house was wiped out, his cars crushed. Windows popped out, there was smashed glass everywhere, ceilings ripped away... all in the matter of seconds. Huddled over his daughter, and hanging on for dear life, Jon thought is was all over. But as fast as it came, soon it was silent, eerie quiet. It took two hours for a nearby cousin to get there, picking his way through the destruction and rubble and downed power lines to rescue Jon and his family. But they were spared... and the event changed his life. Why had he been spared? What did others do wrong to be killed? And... what should others do to prepare for future tornadoes? This last question set Jon on a mission: To educate residents about how to prepare and to equip them with emergency kits. Within months of the tornado, Jon formed Edlin Tornado Solution. He wrote a guide that is available on Amazon, developed a backpack with essentials, and began to lecture on preparedness. He has become an important messenger of the realities of tornadic activity in Tornado Alley and in Dixie Alley where his home had been. Jon describes that horrific night, from early TV reports of tornadoes in the area, to taking heed and sheltering, to the actual tornado and how it sounded like five jet engines roaring directly over him, and its aftermath. Jon dispels myths... like "it could never happen to me." He makes clear that tornadoes are not predictable and now spread across a wide number of mid-western states... not just Kansas.  Jon and Ted discuss that the United States is considered "the global epicenter of tornadoes," as dry air from the Southwest mixes with warm air east of the Rockies, loaded with Gulf moisture. Over 1,000 tornadoes are recorded each year, from EF-1 with 65 mph winds, to EF-5 with wind speeds over 200 mph. While the number may not be changing or increasing due to climate change, they are now occurring in more locations, further north earlier in the year, and in outbreaks of many tornadoes in the day-long or two-day periods. So what is in the kits? Forget food; forget shovels states Jon. His kits are sturdy backpacks that have lights, first aid, extra gauze, and whistles. They have dedicated pockets for car keys, cell phones, laptops, and other essentials critical to rebuilding after the storm. They come shipped with a hook to encourage their buyers to a) identify the safe spots in their homes, and b) to hang their kits so they are at the ready. While basements are best, and essential for EF-5 events, Jon and his family survived huddled in the central hallway of their home... away from windows and exterior doors through which they could be sucked out. A brick wall landed squarely on their bed... their kids' rooms' ceilings were completely gone, their cars crushed. But they were safe. The conversation ends with a discussion of emergency preparedness... from tornadic activity in the mid-west to wildfire and earthquakes to the west. While human nature reinforces myths and results in inaction, Jon is clear that we all need to be prepared... that we need to be smart to survive and to protect our families. He cautions listeners not to be become desensitized, to override that part of your brain, and instead to really think about it, to visualize it happening to you, to take preparedness seriously.

    32 min
  4. Laura Deehan -- The State of California's Environment

    May 11

    Laura Deehan -- The State of California's Environment

    Laura Deehan has been the State Director for Environment California since 2021 and part of the public interest network since 2021. Ted asks her right up front: What is the state of California's environment? Laura starts with her love of California, the beauty of the state, its wonderful coastline, mountains, deserts, and great valleys. Having grown up in Scotland, she marvels at the weather and our wonderfully diverse environment.  But she makes clear that there are serious issues to address: We still have some of the worst air quality in country. We are still battling water pollution issues. We are facing big impacts of climate change...  heat waves, droughts, flooding, wildfires, and more havoc. That said, she notes that California is a leader in solving problems. The public is engaged and aware. There is lot of support for solutions... things like investing in clean energy and electric vehicles. She underscores her strong conviction that California is a leading state, at the vanguard of tackling big environmental problems. The conversation then focuses on Environment California's advocacy of coastal protection. She's just led a delegation in Sacramento celebrating the 21st Ocean Day, where surfers, divers, community activists and others, "brought the ocean" to the State's capitol! The delegation of lobbyists was also celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Coastal Act of 1976. She noted that, "it stopped crazy development ideas along the coast"... from numerous nuclear plants, lots more oil and gas drilling, and rampant development shoreline hotels. Thanks to the Act, and the will of the people, instead we have public access of our beaches and no private ownership of beaches and our precious coastline. Also part of the agenda for Ocean Day's lobbying was standing up against new Trump administration proposals for expanding offshore oil drilling, albeit wildly unpopular in California. State legislative actions are strategically being developed to restrict bringing any new drilling's oil onshore.  On a positive note, her coalition is supporting expansion of Marine Protected Areas (MPAs). Just like parks, MPAs have basic rules: Enjoy but don't take. MPAs were established by the Marine Life Protection Act of 1999 and there are now 124 MPAs off the California coast. They were created as an interconnected network to preserve and restore marine ecosystems. Laura stresses that there is so much more to be done given the threats facing ocean life. There has been a loss of 90% of large fish globally to due overfishing and the impacts of marine heat waves. In the last decade, California has lost almost 90% of its kelp forest habitat... with cascading impacts. Laura points out that kelp forests absorb 20 times more carbon dioxide than terrestrial forests. The conversation then digs into offshore wind. Environment California has been pushing for 100% renewable power in the State. Laura explains that when sun sets, utilities have typically fired up gas plants to meet consumer demand as solar power drops off. But that's exactly when the winds pick up, especially 25 miles offshore. California has an enviable offshore wind resource. Offshore wind alone could meet all of the State's energy needs. Environment California is part of coalition called Offshore Wind Now which passed AB 525, a bill that helped set goals for offshore wind deployment... 25 GW by 2045. The Coalition supports lease sales and investments in port upgrades to bring this power ashore.  Ted asks who is opposing offshore wind and Laura makes clear that oil interests are working to discourage offshore wind. The fossil fuel interests are actively undermining support in communities, bolstered by President Trump's dislike of wind. In fact, just last week, Laura laments that Golden State Wind took the buyout option that Trump offered to abandon its offshore wind lease. Taxpayer money is being used to reverse progress. In fact, the wind developers who take the buyouts have promised to spend same amount of money in fossil development. But Laura remains optimistic: Fully 80% of Californians want offshore wind. There is lots of enthusiasm for this clean energy resource. At the end of discussion, and in response to Ted's question on how Environment California prioritizes its advocacy and community organizing, Laura focuses on the things that we all agree on: She finds it interesting that even in such a polarized moment, we all want clean air, we want water that is safe to drink, and we want livable communities for our children. So Environment California is particularly focused on areas that have widespread support, as well as areas where it can activate Californians to effectively take a stand and to engage the will of the people who choose to make the Golden State their home.

    33 min
  5. Amber Sparks and Emily Hazelwood -- Oil Rigs to Reefs

    May 3

    Amber Sparks and Emily Hazelwood -- Oil Rigs to Reefs

    This episode is about repurposing retired offshore oil rigs into reefs, maintaining highly enriched ecosystems for fisheries and marine life. Instead of removing offshore oil rigs when their oil is exhausted, this episode focuses on how they are being repurposed for multiple benefits. Blue Latitude co-founders, Amber Sparks and Emily Hazelwood, join Ted in describing their 10+ year endeavor doing just this... how their company was formed and what it does to take the concept of rigs to reefs and to turn it into a win-win reality. In graduate school at the Scripps Institution for Oceanography in La Jolla, California, Amber and Emily were scuba diving off oil rigs in the Santa Barbara Channel and witnessed remarkable sights... abundant sea life clinging on to the oil rigs supporting scaffolds. The operating rigs were creating vibrant marine ecosystems, starting with invertebrates like barnacles and sea anemones... then scallops and more, providing nurseries for schools of fish. The rigs' subsea infrastructure preserves and produces marine life, provides refuge, and has even proven to support biodiversity and reverse extinction, notably of sea stars in California. After presenting their thesis research at a conference, they were approached by an oil company that was keen on exploring the rigs to reefs option for defunct undersea infrastructures.  While oil companies are responsible for removing their rigs, and returning their leased sites to their pre-existing conditions, Amber and Emily explain that their research on the undersea life revealed an alternative approach... something they now describe as "reefing." This is taking advantage of massive subsea infrastructures, scaffoldings of beams and cross-bars, that provide habitat for marine life. At the end of the rigs' oil extraction, why not maintain these new-found ecological zones below an 80-foot draft for safe passage of ships, and remove the "topsides?" Supporting this approach is exactly what Blue Latitudes does, starting in California where there are 27 offshore oil rigs, their work is now spreading around the world.  Blue Latitudes studies fisheries in high-tech ways, for instance it used underwater remote operating vehicles (ROVs) that plunge to depths way beyond the reach of scuba to measure sea life and to take samples, as well as hydroacoustics to measure marine life. They raise awareness and advocate for rigs to reefs. So far, they have worked in coastal waters off the United States, Africa, South America, and Malaysia. They provide decommissioning studies, paying attention to eliminating spills prior to capping and sealing wells. The common theme of their work is applying scientific research to develop custom solutions to address complex problems at the nexus of industry and our oceans. Emily notes that there are ~1,400 rigs in the U.S. coastal waters, and some 5,000 - 7,000 rigs worldwide, all of which will reach the end of their useful lives. This is Blue Latitudes' "market." The company -- and its foundation -- has lots of work to do as these rigs -- which can be steel structures in as much as 800 feet of water -- can be repurposed for mutual benefit: The oil companies save money -- even after providing cash to local rigs to reef programs -- and the marine environment is enriched providing great benefit to local fishing industries. The conversation ends with Blue Latitudes' most recent project, a broad study of alternative uses for offshore oil rigs.. specifically their "topsides." They are exploring green hydrogen production, harvesting critical minerals from seawater, aquaculture, and establishing a network of monitoring stations for ocean data. As the world shifts from hydrocarbon extraction... finding clever solutions, like rigs to reefs, is a "silver lining" to industry and fundamental to the the Blue Latitude mission and contribution.

    34 min
  6. Rei Vardi -- Eon EV Car Rentals

    Apr 27

    Rei Vardi -- Eon EV Car Rentals

    Rei Vardi is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Eon, a car rental company that is "building a mobility platform."  Rei explains the genesis of his business and what can now be seen as an exciting, disruptive business model: He was a college student in Boston. When his father planned to turn in the family Tesla, Rei was determined to keep it and pledged to make the payments. To do so, he rented the car to family and friends, and recalls some really bad arrangements, including a bank robbery. But his experiences sparked a novel concept... enabling EV car owners a new means of income. Since most cars sit idle 95% of the time, why not rent them out? The discussion then focuses on how he de-risked the concept. Instead of an owner -- "an amateur in the car rental space" -- taking on the challenges of rentals to strangers, why not have a platform to manage a network and to remove the risk and hassle for car owners? For renters, why not create a new car rental model that makes renting easy, really easy? Forget rental locations and lines and consumer frustration.  Eon boasts that its network now is the easiest way to rent a car. The company only rents privately-owned electric vehicles, primarily Teslas, Rivians, and Lucids. There are no keys involved at all. More and more, its business partners -- the car owners -- are developing fleets of EVs for program participation that they post on the company's website. Then renters get instructions on how to access the vehicles and use their phones to unlock and turn on the cars. Renters can even pre-warm or pre-cool the cars. They get explicit instructions on where and how to charge the vehicles too. Owners put their cars on the platform and specify the terms they want... like car pick-up and drop-off location, the daily price, etc.  Eon screens renters to assure a positive experience for the owners, and similarly stipulates a set of terms for owners... like vehicle cleanliness. Now, after eight years developing and scaling the model, Rei and his colleagues have over 3,000 cars in their network, with business activity in 50 cities across the nation. And the business model is popular, Rei notes that 45% of his renters are return renters. Check it out at Eonrides.com.

    32 min
  7. Sam Teicher - Coral Reef Restoration

    Apr 20

    Sam Teicher - Coral Reef Restoration

    Sam Teicher is the Co-Founder and Chief Reef Official for Coral Vita, a company he and a graduate school colleague formed in 2015 given their great concerns with coral reef decline. Sam makes clear that fully half of all coral reefs have been killed, and 90% are expected to perish by 2050 without concerted global interventions. Sam and his colleague, Gator Halpern, decided to take action and to build a business case for scaling coral reef restoration efforts. Yale provided the initial $1,000 for them to develop a business plan. The conversation begins with a clear definition of coral: They are living organisms with exoskeletons of carbonaceous material. The coral form colonies that grow and grow, notable in size... like the 2,300 kilometer long Great Barrier Reef in Australia. Remarkably, reefs that cover 1% of the ocean floor provide for 25% of all marine life. The reefs provide habitat and thus food for fisheries. The reefs also play an important role in protecting beaches.  Sam explains that there are about 6,000 types of coral, mostly located in tropical waters between the 30th latitude north and the 30th latitude south. To thrive, corals need suitable temperatures, plus appropriate salinity and light. The death of corals is attributable to several factors, but primary among them is climate change which has driven up water temperatures. Pollution and sedimentation also harm reefs, as does some forms of fishing and development. Sam recounts the genesis of Coral Vita, how he and Gator drew upon extensive research and development of restoration techniques. Then they developed a business plan that aligned the interests of myriad stakeholders in reef restoration and ecological regeneration. They began their operations in The Bahamas where resorts and other industries have had to displace reefs. Coral Vita has been effective in relocating these wildlife assets to comply with regulations and to support the local economy and tourism.  Soon thereafter they were awarded a prize from Prince William and his Earth Shot Prize. In fact, William and Kate came to The Bahamas to witness Cora Vita's operations. Sam and Gator were also recognized by Forbes Magazine for their entrepreneurship. And the business has grown, now including operations in countries including The Bahamas, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and the United States. The firm now employs 40 staff. Sam described the process of growing coral in aquacultures which dramatically shortens the growth periods of coral. At what he calls "the coral factory," Coral Vita is intently studying corals to determine which grow fastest and which are most resilient to changes in water temperatures. Today, Coral Vita licenses some of its inventions and software to other organizations with the same mission of protecting corals and the fragile ecosystems that they develop. Fully one billion people rely on reefs in one way or another. Ted asks Sam at the end about optimism. Sam makes clear that he is pragmatic and that unfortunately, things will get worse. He notes that it may be generations from now that realize the benefits of today's work to reverse the course of coral reef destruction... until reefs survive and thrive. He notes that clearly the best thing would be for our global society to stop killing the reefs, much like ending deforestation. Until then raising awareness about the importance of corals is key, so is coral reef restoration. To get involved check out https://coralvita.co.

    33 min
  8. Hugh Broadhurst -- Rare Earth Elements Enabling Sustainability

    Apr 13

    Hugh Broadhurst -- Rare Earth Elements Enabling Sustainability

    Hugh Broadhurst is the Chief Operating Officer for Aclara Resources, a company focused on sustainable mining of rare earth minerals, followed by the separation of ionic clays laced with rare earth minerals, and selling these to a host of users, notably electric vehicle makers and others in need of high intensity magnets. Applications for the 17 rare earth elements include electric vehicles, wind turbines, submarines, drones, and robotics... anywhere that electric motors are used. The conversation begins with a primer on rare earth minerals -- of which there are 160 -- and rare earth elements which number 17. These have been largely sourced from China which currently mines 90% of rare earth minerals and processes over 99% of them, importing minerals from Myanmar and other countries to do so. Aclara is not only developing an alternate supply chain for rare earths, but as Hugh explains, is doing so in a sustainable manner, in line with consumers' expectations.  Hugh joined the podcast from Brazil where Aclara is developing a rare earth mining operation, tapping into ionized clays that can be surface mined, stripped of their valuable elements, before the clays are redeposited on the sites without harmful pollution and disruptive effects. Aclara, a Canadian company, is working in Brazil and Chile on mining operations, while collaborating with Virginia Tech on a separation technique. At the tail end of the company's vertical integration, Aclara is selling refined rare earth element powders, metals, and alloys to manufacturers. Hugh begins by presenting the value of rare earth mineral for electric vehicles. Their motors depend on high intensity magnets to support their dramatic acceleration. Many magnets lose their magnetism when their temperatures exceed 100 degrees Celsius and EV motors reach temperatures of 150 degrees Celsius (300 degrees Fahrenheit) and thus need special rare earth elements to maintain their magnetism. Two of the 17 rare earth elements are critical for this function: terbium and dysprosium. They are blended into the magnets' formulation at a rate of 2 - 3%. While the cost of these materials for a typical EV is less than $50, Hugh notes that without them, the EV would not function.  Hugh was born and raised in South Africa. His parents were academics and he jokes that his engineering is a genetic disorder he got from his parents, his father an electrical engineer and mother a mathematician. After studying in South Africa, he came to America for graduate school in chemical engineering, before focusing his career on specialty minerals, for semiconductors, for agriculture, lithium for batteries, and at Aclara for magnets.  Rare earths enable the renewable energy revolution he explains. At Aclara, he and his colleagues are proud of doing the right thing in their mining and manufacturers, to meet environmental and ESG standards that people have come to expect. "It's not just what were doing but how we do it."

    31 min

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Flanigan's Eco-Logic, hosted by Ted Flanigan, provides cutting-edge information and insights in sustainability and the clean energy space. Episodes address alternative energy -- featuring solar, storage, microgrids, vehicle grid integration, and energy access. In addition, the podcast covers resources issues -- like water and food issues, and even slow fashion. Flanigan’s enthusiasm, vast experience, and deep network in the energy and environmental arena are palpable as he brings exciting and encouraging green developments to the fore, interviewing and engaging leading policy makers and practitioners throughout the United States and in many countries around the world.