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Like many others, we (Steve & Nathan) are on a spiritual journey of deconstruction and reconstruction to find what God truly wants of us. Just like Israel followed the pillar of fire in the desert, we want to follow God wherever we are led. And just like Israel, we get lost a lot, we get it wrong a lot, but we're trying our best to follow and have a relationship with the Father. Join us on the journey!
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    • Religion & Spirituality
    • 4.7 • 28 Ratings

Like many others, we (Steve & Nathan) are on a spiritual journey of deconstruction and reconstruction to find what God truly wants of us. Just like Israel followed the pillar of fire in the desert, we want to follow God wherever we are led. And just like Israel, we get lost a lot, we get it wrong a lot, but we're trying our best to follow and have a relationship with the Father. Join us on the journey!
Join our Patreon (http://patreon.com/followingthefire) - we would love your support!
Our theme music is by Daniel Wheat!
* Find more music and merch at his Bandcamp (https://danielwheat.bandcamp.com)
* Follow his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/danielwheatmusic/)
* And listen on Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/artist/26EjMDBdKGmxBXEwkGWCkd?si=bQ8wtAeiSImTVmf8asqxrA)

    62: Where Are We Going?: The different destinations of deconstruction

    62: Where Are We Going?: The different destinations of deconstruction

    Steve talks to Josh Kaiser, former pastor turned deconstruction coach, about the different places people tend to end up at the end of their deconstruction / faith journeys (if there even is an end). Josh has a lot of wisdom and insight to this whole crazy process, so be sure to give this one your time.



    Josh Kaiser’s TikTok: @theLocalHeretic
    Origen
    Jerome
    Justin Matyr
    Augustine
    Mark Driscoll
    Vivant Life Coaching
    Brewery Vivant
    Christian Mysticism
    Josh’s video about mysticism
    John Philip Newell
    Cognitive Dissonance
    Pete Enns
    The Bible for Normal People
    Richard Rohr
    Film: “Ghandi”
    Hymn: “O Sacred Head”
    Vertical vs. Horizontal Morality
    Annihilationism
    Podcast: The Local Heretic Live
    Thomas Merton
    Book: “The Naked Now” by Richard Rohr
    Book: “The Universal Christ”
    Book:“Breathing Under Water: Spirituality and the Twelve Steps”
    Books by John Philip Newell


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    Special Guest: Josh Kaiser.
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    • 1 hr 8 min
    61: Watching The Watchmen: Christian Nationalism isn’t going anywhere

    61: Watching The Watchmen: Christian Nationalism isn’t going anywhere

    We read “The Watchman Decree” (and even hear a disturbing recitation of it) and discuss the implications of Christian Nationalism in America. What do we do about it? Can we do anything? Is maybe just a little bit okay? (Spoiler: No. No, it’s not)



    Following the Fire Facebook Group
    Plymouth Congregational United Church of Christ
    Free Dad Hugs shirt
    Free Mom Hugs (official)
    Christian Nationalism
    Theocracy
    Sharia Law
    Book: “The Founding Myth” by Andrew Seidel
    The Watchman Decree
    Article: “The ‘Watchman Decree’ is a scary vision of Christian nationalism in action”
    The Moral Majority
    Samuel Perry
    Book: “Do I Stay Christian?” By Brian McLaren
    Parable of the Weeds in Matthew 13


    Theme music by Daniel Wheat!



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    • 1 hr 13 min
    60: Make It Make Sense: Why do American Christians elevate horrible people?

    60: Make It Make Sense: Why do American Christians elevate horrible people?

    The things we lift up and admire say a lot about us. Why, then, do so many evangelical Christians in America lift up the worst of us like Donald Trump, Elon Musk, and others. Has Christianity always been like this? Is there any way to redeem it?



    Halloween was weirdly warm
    Nathan can only handle “evangelical scary”
    Steve has numbed himself to everything “scary”
    Series: “Midnight Mass”
    Film Genre: Elevated Horror
    Film: “Midsommar”
    Director: Martin McDonnaugh
    Film: “In Bruges
    Purgatory
    Bruges, Belgium
    www.letterboxd.com
    6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon
    Film: “Amelie”
    Film: “Rubber”
    Film: “The Social Dilemma”
    Elon Musk buys Twitter
    Tesla
    SpaceX
    Ford valuation
    Tesla valuation
    Attention Economy
    Lauren Boebert
    Mark Driscoll
    Colt McCoy
    Series: “Knight Rider”
    Film: “Doc Hollywood”
    Film: “Cars”
    Weird Al Yankovic
    Documentary: “God Forbid” about Jerry Falwell, Jr.
    The Power Team
    Height of CEO’s in America
    Psychology Today
    Cracker Barrel
    Book: “The Divine Conspiracy” by Dallas Willard
    The Beatitudes
    Constantine
    IXTHYS fish symbol
    Book: “Do I Stay Christian?” By Dan McLaren
    Jairus’ Daughter
    Jesus healing the bleeding woman


    Theme music by Daniel Wheat!



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    • 1 hr 4 min
    59: Embracing the F-Word: What is Feminism and how it can help us all be fully human

    59: Embracing the F-Word: What is Feminism and how it can help us all be fully human

    Embracing the F-Word: What is Feminism and how it can help us all be fully human


    Special guest Alison Buxton joins us again to discuss that OTHER dirty f-word: Feminism. She tells us what it is, what it isn’t, and why it matters. The 2 dudes on this podcast learned a LOT from Alison, including how feminism is connected to everything in ways we didn’t expect.



    Friends don't have to use shortened names
    Ms.
    Book Club Episode: “The Making of Biblical Womanhood” by Beth Allison Barr
    Rush Limbaugh
    “Feminazi”
    Book: “The Poisonwood Bible” by Barbara Kingsolver
    Jane Fonda Vietnam War protests
    bell hooks
    Bra burning
    Women’s March 2017
    Black Lives Matter
    History of Feminism
    Intersectionality
    Dr. Kimberlé Crenshaw
    19th Amendment
    Jim Crow laws
    MeToo movement
    Tarana Burke
    From “The Handmaid’s Tale” - Gilead
    Clarence Thomas
    Anita Hill
    Book: “The Democratization of American Christianity” by Nathan O. Hatch
    The Bechdel Test
    The Bechdel Test Movie List
    Nadia Boltz Weber
    Article: “The Crisis of Men and Boys”by David Brooks in the New York Times
    The Feeling Wheel
    Kimberlé Crenshaw TED Talk
    Book: “The Second Sex” by Simone de Beauvoir
    Book: “The Woman’s Hour” by Elaine Weiss
    Book: “The Krunk Feminist Collective” by Brittany Cooper
    Book: “Feminism is For Everybody” by bell hooks
    Book: “The Feminine Mystique” by Betty Friedan


    Theme music by Daniel Wheat!



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    • 1 hr 18 min
    58: Fruitless: Why aren't Christians showing the Fruit of the Spirit?

    58: Fruitless: Why aren't Christians showing the Fruit of the Spirit?

    Nathan and Steve discuss the age-old conundrum of why Christians don’t show more of the Fruit of the Spirit than non-Christians. Spoiler-Alert! They remain frustrated.



    It’s dark outside, thus Nathan is tired
    Steve has been sleeping!
    Everyone should go to therapy (if possible)
    Steve talks about his neurological diseases in episode 28
    Nathan needs more "crunch"
    Sleep makes everything better

    LGBTQ+ Listener update

    Conversion Therapy is bad.

    Documentary: “Pray Away” on Netflix

    Book Club Episode 45: “Heavy Burdens” with author Bridget Eileen Rivera

    Article: “The Four Sides”Christian perspectives of LGBTQ+ relationships as “sides”

    Fruit of the Spirit: Galatians 5:22-23

    Fishbone Diagram

    Dunning-Kruger Effect



    Theme music by Daniel Wheat!



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    • 1 hr 10 min
    57: Your Biggest Heresy: How do your beliefs align with popular evangelical theology?

    57: Your Biggest Heresy: How do your beliefs align with popular evangelical theology?

    Nathan and Steve go through the survey "The State of Theology" which was published recently and find that, not only are they both wildly heretical, but that the Ligonier group writes REALLY bad questions.



    Steve and Nathan are both exhausted because they’re privileged
    Nathan is overly concerned with the Trump Mar-a-Lago case
    Pep Band is fun
    Church is weird
    “Do I Stay Christian” by Brian McLaren

    The State of Theology Survey

    Ligonier Ministries

    R.C. Sproul

    Reformed Theology

    Martin Luther

    Calvinism

    Doctrine of “Original Sin”

    Survey Data Explorer

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    • 1 hr 22 min

Customer Reviews

4.7 out of 5
28 Ratings

28 Ratings

rysmitty25 ,

Thank You!!!

I am so grateful for your work on this podcast. The honesty and humor with which you approach each segment is incredible. Thank you for sharing your perspective and self-reflection in each episode!

arh003 ,

Episode 28

Great podcast. I just listened to episode 28. I have young onset Parkinson’s too. It started in my twenties. Such a relatable episode for me. Steve’s vulnerability is palatable. Loved the realness. Thank u

ChellerySinger ,

Deconstruction with humor

I am enjoying this podcast. It explores the faith I grew up in (that was rules based even though we said we weren’t). Great discussions on what it means to love others and how we sometimes get that wrong. I’m looking forward to future episodes.

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