FOSIL, Education and School Libraries

Elizabeth Hutchinson

Welcome to our podcast where we hope to help you engage with the content on the FOSIL Group Website, introduce you to people using FOSIL in schools and most of all just have a conversation about the role of school librarians within education. elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

  1. Generative AI through Inquiry (Part 3)

    19H AGO

    Generative AI through Inquiry (Part 3)

    Welcome to FOSIL, Education and School Libraries Podcast, where Darrly Toerien and I (Elizabeth Hutchinson) talk about what we feel is important in school libraries and education now. Today’s discussion continues from last week’s podcast, which was part 2 of this conversation, where we focused on the CONNECT stage of FOSIL. This week, we focus on the INVESTIGATE and CONSTRUCT stages in relation to Gen AI. Highlighting the importance of students being able to think, write and analyse information for themselves. We cover age restrictions, duty of care and what we really want our students to engage in learning. Links talked about in this podcast * Frank Landymore, Analysis Finds That Google’s AI Overviews Are Providing Misinformation at a Scale Possibly Unprecedented in the History of Human Civilization (8 April 2026) * BBC, Largest study of its kind shows AI assistants misrepresent news content 45% of the time – regardless of language or territory (22 October 2025) * Pedro Noguera, dean of the USC Rossier School of Education, Educators should seriously consider a pause on AI in classrooms (04/09/26) * The AI School Librarian, Should Schools Pause AI? The Question We Cannot Ignore Right Now (17 April 2026) We would love to hear what you think of this podcast… Do you find it useful? Are they enjoyable? Informative? Please do comment below… share your thoughts on our discussion. What do you think Generative AI is bringing to your school? Do you have any questions you would like us to consider? All comments welcome! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    47 min
  2. Generative AI Through Inquiry (Part 2)

    MAR 23

    Generative AI Through Inquiry (Part 2)

    Welcome to FOSIL, Education and School Libraries Podcast, where Darrly Toerien and I (Elizabeth Hutchinson) talk about what we feel is important in school libraries and education now. Today's discussion continues from last week's podcast, which was part 1 of this conversation, where we discussed the importance of preserving human voice in education. In this chat, we cover the importance of helping students cultivate curiosity about learning without AI, so that when they do use it, they have an understanding of where it may be taking them. We ask 3 questions for school librarians to consider:- * Am I teaching something? * Am I teaching something using AI? * Am I teaching AI? This focus leads our conversation forward where we consider the importance of FOSIL’s CONNECT stage… I’m afraid we enjoy our conversation too much and once again we ran out of time. We hope you enjoy listening to where this took us. Next time we will focus on the INVESTIGATE and CONSTRUCT stage in relation to Gen AI. Links talked about in this podcast * Alfred Guy quotation from Inside Yale’s Quiet Reckoning with AI. * For Jane Rosenzweig, see Writing Hacks (her Blog) and The Important Work: Teaching Writing in the Age of AI (which she curates). * Paulo Freire quotation from Pedagogy of the Oppressed in “Human Beings! Human Beings!” An Open Letter to Educators on the Dangers of AI, by Ursula Wolfe-Rocca. * BBC news article about AI assistants misrepresenting the news is Largest study of its kind shows AI assistants misrepresent news content 45% of the time – regardless of language or territory. * Sam Altman Addresses BlackRock U.S. Infrastructure Summit | March 11, 2026 | AC15 (see from 10m22s for the bit about intelligence being a chargeable utility). We would love to hear what you think of this podcast… Do you find it useful? Are they enjoyable? Informative? Please do comment below… share your thoughts on our discussion. What do you think Generative AI is bringing to your school? Do you have any questions you would like us to consider? All comments welcome! This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    48 min
  3. Generative AI through inquiry (Part 1)

    MAR 2

    Generative AI through inquiry (Part 1)

    Welcome to FOSIL Education and School Libraries, a conversation about liberal education, signature inquiry, and how generative AI fits, or doesn’t, into real classroom practice. This episode follows on from last week’s podcast, Clarifying the purpose of education, explains the Year 9 Signature Work inquiry: an interdisciplinary, schoolwide project embedded in English that builds thoughtful reading, writing, and speaking skills and culminates in a spoken presentation and Q&A. It contrasts authentic human texts (like Laudato Si’) with AI-generated summaries, raising concerns about AI’s tendency to flatten voice and strip nuance. We argue that tools must be judged against clear educational aims: supporting student attention, authentic authorship, and the dialogic process of learning. * Eric O. Springsted -- discussing Simone Weil’s notion of attention in Attention, Availability, and the Reading of Books (2025). * Janet Salmons and the flattening of language in Finding Your Voice in a Ventriloquist’s World – AI and Writing (2025). * Claudio Nastruzzi and semantic ablation in Why AI writing is so generic, boring, and dangerous: Semantic ablation (2026). * Jane Rosenzweig (2022) on why we are not doing the thinking if a machine is doing the writing in The Fight About AI (2025) by Christopher Newfield. Please subscribe so you don’t miss our next episode, which explores practical ways (or limits) for using generative AI at each stage of inquiry. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    39 min
  4. 04/23/2025

    Beyond the Symposium: The Future of School Libraries and Inquiry Learning

    In this episode of FOSIL Education and School Libraries, we reflect on the key ideas and developments following the recent FOSIL Symposium. With support from the likes of David Loertscher and members of the FOSIL Group, we discuss the growing role of inquiry in teaching and learning, and how school libraries are adapting and contributing in meaningful ways. We also introduce new initiatives like the open access journal Learning Hub and the Institute for the Advancement of Inquiry. Tune in to hear how school librarians are continuing to support thoughtful, inquiry-based education. From the FOSIL Symposium - AKS Lytham, Jannath Khanom and Ruth Maloney https://fosil.org.uk/forums/forum/fosil-presentations/2025-symposium/ Learning Hub journal, which includes the multimedia article Creative Commons Reboot of the FOSIL-based Heroic Inquiry Cycle, by Darryl Toerien and Hugh Rose. ALiVE! Library Initiative Interview with Darryl and Jenny Toerien by Dr. David Loertscher for School Library Central:"Welcome to the School Library Central Youtube Channel, created by SJSU iSchool Professor Dr. David V. Loertscher to support advances, research, information, resources, and leaders who are transforming traditional school libraries into vibrant centers of teaching and learning in K-12 education." This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    33 min
  5. 01/25/2025

    The FOSIL Symposium Taster

    In this episode, we provided some contextual information about the colleagues who will be sharing their valuable insights with us during the FOSIL 2025 Symposium on Saturday 8 February, which is free, online and will be recorded. The Symposium marks 15 years of thoughtful and purposeful development of FOSIL (2010), and 6 years of the FOSIL Group (2019). Elizabeth and I met in 2011, so she has been a companion on this journey since almost the very beginning. These are my preparatory notes on colleagues in order of appearance, with Elizabeth introducing Ruth Maloney and Jannath Khanom, who she has a closer working relationship with. Both Ruth and Jannath have made deeply thoughtful contributions to the FOSIL Group Forums. — I met Dianne and Jennifer at the IASL 2019 Conference in Dubrovnik, where I had been asked to deliver a keynote presentation – Between the Classroom and the Library (notice a recurring theme!) – following the IFLA 2019 World Library and Information Congress in Athens. Dianne and Jennifer had been instrumental in developing the deeply thoughtful Alberta Inquiry Model as part of Focus on Inquiry: A Teacher’s Guide to Implementing Inquiry-based Learning. You and I hosted an extended discussion of this enormously helpful document during October, November and December of 2019, which culminated in an online Q&A with Dianne and Jennifer in January of 2020 – see Focus on Inquiry in the FOSIL Group Forum, which includes links to the discussion and webinar. Dianne also authored E&L Memo 2 | Focus on Inquiry: Reflections on Developing a Model of Inquiry for the FOSIL Group Epistemology & Learning Memos series, which I need to revitalise. Also significant from our perspective is that Dianne was co-editor with Barbara Schultz-Jones of the IFLA School Library Guidelines (2015), followed by Global Action on School Library Guidelines (2015) and Global Action on School Library Education and Training (2019) in the IFLA / De Gruyter Publications series. Also significant from our perspective, and also in the IFLA / De Gruyter Publications series, is that Dianne was co-editor with Barbara Schultz-Jones of Global Action for School Libraries: Models of Inquiry (2022). Three of the five models included in the book are Stripling’s Model of Inquiry (more on this later), FOSIL and the Alberta Inquiry Model. The book also included a chapter by Joseph Sanders and Jenny Toerien on Deep Collaboration by Teacher and Librarian to Develop an Inquiry Mindset using FOSIL (see also Curricular Inquiry: Learning Between the Library and the Classroom for an online discussion of this work between Joe and Jenny and here for the accompanying PPT presentation). — Our relationship with Lee FitzGerald stretches at least as far back as 2021, when we wrote FOSIL: Inquiry As Mind Set, Skill Set, Tool Set and Community for her as Editor of ACCESS (Volume 35, Issue 2, June 2021), the national journal of the Australian School Library Association. Since then, I have developed a close working relationship with Lee, going on to write six more articles for ACCESS, the last two with Lee: Re/Dis-Covering the Promise of Freedom Through Inquiry – Part 1 (Volume 38, Issue 3, September 2024) and Re/Dis-Covering the Promise of Freedom Through Inquiry – Part 2 (Volume 38, Issue 4, December 2024). Lee, who is now also Adjunct Lecturer on the Master of Education: Teacher Librarianship course at Charles Sturt University, was previously Head of Service at Loreto Kirribilli in Sydney (Australia), an independent, Catholic school for girls from K-12. Lee oversaw an outstanding inquiry programme. She has remained in contact with Jo, who is the History Coordinator, particularly around the superb Grade 11 Ancient History inquiry. Lee and Jo have enormous experience of Guided Inquiry Design, and Jenny and I worked with them to reframe this inquiry through FOSIL, so I am very excited about that they will be sharing this extraordinary insight into inquiry with us. — Blanchelande College in Guernsey (Channel Islands) is an independent, Catholic school for boys and girls from PK-12. While we will not talk about our inquiry programme during the Symposium, we have established Signature Work inquiries in all phases of the College, which are backbone for other inquiry-based work across phases and academic disciplines/ subjects, and reflect on them as often as possible in the FOSIL Group Forum, specifically in Inquiry and resource design. — Mary-Rose Grieve | Hartland International School in Dubai (United Arab Emirates) is an independent school for boys and girls from PK-12, which offers a British education “through the National Curriculum for England.” Mary-Rose appears to me, like Elizabeth, to have been a companion on this journey for as long as I can remember. Her perspective is extraordinarily broad, and so particularly insightful. I am deeply envious of her broad and intimate knowledge of books, both non-fiction and fiction, that provoke and foster inquiry, especially for our youngest students. — Ruth Maloney | Tonbridge Grammar School in Tonbridge (England, UK) is a “selective grammar school with academy status, educating girls between the ages of 11 and 16 (Grades 6-10) and girls and boys in the Sixth Form (Grades 11-12).” Ruth’s perspective as a presenter is unique, in that they offer the International Baccalaureate Middle Years Programme in Grades 6-8, the GCSE in Grades 9-10, and the International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme in Grades 11-12. This is the same as Oakham School by the time we left, except that they also offered the A-level alongside the Diploma Programme. — Jannath Khanom | Connaught School for Girls in London (England, UK) is a “state funded independent academy” for girls between the ages of 11 and 16 (Grades 6-10). — David Harrow, Faye Marland, Nick O’Loughlin | AKS Lytham in Lytham St Annes (England, UK) is an independent school for boys and girls from PK-12. David was Academic Deputy Head at Oakham School and was both a visionary advocate for FOSIL-based inquiry, and inquiry more broadly, and so was instrumental in the establishment of the FOSIL Group as a free and open community of inquiry centred on FOSIL, but not limited to it. Within a year of starting at AKS Lytham, David, Faye and Nick were responsible for enviable celebrations of students as engaged and empowered inquirers across a range of school phases and within a GCE and A-level educational context. The highest compliment that I can pay to David is that, had circumstance been different, Jenny and I would have followed him to AKS Lytham. — Barbara Stripling, who [auspiciously, as far as I am concerned] shares a birthday with me, has been a formative influence in my professional development since I first stumbled into school librarianship in 2003. In that year, Barbara co-edited Curriculum Connections Through the Library, which included a chapter on inquiry-based learning, and introduced me to her model of the inquiry process, and her approach to teaching and learning. This led me to Learning and Libraries in an Information Age (1999!), which Barbara edited, and in which she noted: “A primary emphasis on learning in school libraries represents a paradigm shift for our field, one that is not yet universally understood or effectively implemented. School [librarians] must step forward as instructional leaders in their schools to design library … programs that help students learn important ideas in the curriculum and learn how to learn in the information age.” This identifies an abiding concern with a paradigm shift that we have not yet fully made, and what brings us together for the Symposium. Barbara also authored E&L Memo 1 | Learning to know and understand through inquiry for the FOSIL Group Epistemology & Learning Memos series, which I need to revitalise. In view of this, I am both humbled and honoured to be co-authoring Teaching Inquiry as Conversation: Bringing Wonder to Life with Barbara, also for Bloomsbury Libraries Unlimited and in collaboration with Jessica Gribble, Senior Acquisitions Editor. Darryl Toerien, Head of Inquiry Based Learning, Blanchelande College, Guernsey This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit elizabethhutchinson.substack.com

    50 min

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Welcome to our podcast where we hope to help you engage with the content on the FOSIL Group Website, introduce you to people using FOSIL in schools and most of all just have a conversation about the role of school librarians within education. elizabethhutchinson.substack.com