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  1. Alessandro Chesser: Turn Founder Shares into Tax‑Free Gains with QSBS Trust Stacking

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    Alessandro Chesser: Turn Founder Shares into Tax‑Free Gains with QSBS Trust Stacking

    Alessandro Chesser is the founder and CEO of Dynasty, a startup focused on making Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) trust stacking accessible to founders. Before launching Dynasty, he led sales at Carta from the early days to roughly $300M in ARR, gaining hands-on insight into equity workflows, 409A dynamics, and how distribution is built around real, recurring needs. Dynasty offers a subscription service—$1,500 per year for up to four family trusts—that includes trust creation, annual administration, and tax return filing, turning a traditionally bespoke, high-cost process into something founders can set up early in their journey. In this episode, we unpack the mechanics and timing that make—or break—QSBS outcomes. We cover the core tests (acquiring shares before $50M in assets, five-year hold, qualified C-corp status), state-level differences (New York recognizes QSBS; California does not), and why early planning can start both the QSBS and long-term capital gains clocks while avoiding later surprises.  Chesser talks about trust stacking—gifting shares into multiple family trusts so each may pursue its own QSBS exclusion—and notes practical guardrails and expert advice for dong it right. Beyond the tax planning, Chesser shares go-to-market lessons from Carta and Dynasty: using the network effect (e.g., certificates signed), creating urgency with must-do workflows (like 409A), iterating growth levers monthly, hiring decisively, and using social + creator partnerships instead of traditional cold outbound. The result is clear: tactical advice for founders on when to exercise, when to gift, how to document, and how to avoid the common QSBS pitfalls discussed in the conversation. ‍ Key topics covered - QSBS allows startup shareholders to sell up to $15 million tax-free.- Most startups qualify for QSBS, but there are specific criteria.- Holding shares for at least five years is crucial for QSBS eligibility.- The new rules under the big beautiful bill change QSBS eligibility timelines.- Dynasty helps founders maximize QSBS benefits through trust stacking.- Early exercise of stock options can prevent alternative minimum tax issues.- Filing an 83B election is essential for QSBS qualification.- Social media is a powerful tool for startup growth and marketing.- Building partnerships with influencers can enhance visibility and credibility.- The cost of setting up trusts for QSBS is significantly lower with Dynasty. ‍ In This Episode, We Cover (00:00) Introduction to QSBS and Its Importance (06:35) Understanding QSBS Eligibility and Benefits (13:08) The Role of Dynasty in Maximizing QSBS Benefits (16:29) Alessandro's Journey and the Birth of Dynasty (18:36) Growth Strategies and Lessons from Carta (27:14) Leveraging Social Media for Growth ‍ Where to Find Alessandro Chesser: ‍ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alessandro-chesser-84763748 X: https://x.com/SandroChess ‍ Where to Find Dynasty: ‍ Website: https://www.getdynasty.com LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/getdynasty X: https://x.com/getdynasty_com ‍ Where to Find David Phillips: X: https://x.com/davj LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davjphillips Brought to you by: Fondo — All-in-one accounting for startups: https://fondo.com

    34 min
  2. Jeff ‘Jiho’ Zirlin: From 300 Users to $4B+ in Trading Volume, The Story Behind Axie Infinity’s Meteoric Growth

    3 OCT.

    Jeff ‘Jiho’ Zirlin: From 300 Users to $4B+ in Trading Volume, The Story Behind Axie Infinity’s Meteoric Growth

    Jeff ‘Jiho’ Zirlin is a co-founder of Sky Mavis, the team behind Axie Infinity and the Ronin blockchain. At the forefront of Web3's most groundbreaking experiments, Jeff helped transform Axie from a small crypto-native community into a cultural phenomenon that onboarded millions to blockchain technology. With over $4 billion in NFT trading volume - earning a Guinness World Record - Axie didn't just talk about bringing people to crypto; it actually did it. Beyond Axie, Jeff pioneered the Ronin blockchain, which now hosts 70+ games and has proven that purpose-built infrastructure can unlock exponential growth for crypto applications. In this episode, we trace the evolution of Web3 gaming from its origins in the CryptoKitties community to today's institutional adoption cycle. The conversation explores how manual onboarding and white-glove user acquisition laid the foundation for viral growth. Jeff shares the pivotal moments that shaped Axie's trajectory: tokenizing experience points, creating the "play-to-earn" model that democratized crypto mining, and the strategic decision to build their own blockchain when existing infrastructure couldn't scale. We also examine the current state of crypto gaming, the shift from retail mania to Wall Street adoption, and why the next wave of innovation might create entirely new cultural mediums rather than just new ways to make money. Key topics covered: The CryptoKitties Mafia: How a December 2017 viral game spawned the founders of Axie, OpenSea, and the modern NFT ecosystemManual onboarding at scale: From personally gifting Axies to Binance angels to hitting 2 million usersThe biological insight: Why CryptoKitties failed (no death = exponential breeding) and how ecosystem balance became Axie's core principle300 users was "#1": How being the largest crypto game with just 300 players became a marriage proposal line - and a growth trajectoryTokenizing the game economy: The moment players asked to buy experience points and accidentally invented play-to-earn"You can't build your startup on another startup": Why Loom Network's failure forced Sky Mavis to create Ronin blockchainThe Ronin Effect: Deploying at 30,000 users, scaling to 2 million in six months - and the infrastructure playbook now powering 70+ gamesThe Uniswap wealth effect: How every Axie player unexpectedly received $4,000, creating a growth catalyst nobody predictedWhy gaming onboards better than DeFi: More people game than trade - and nostalgia beats complexity when introducing scary new technologyFrom Binance to NYSE: This cycle's institutional meta and why crypto gaming hasn't figured out Wall Street yetThe new Renaissance: How fractional reserve banking created the actual Renaissance, and why crypto's lasting impact will be cultural, not financialLoyalty programs vs. helicopter money: Evolving from infinite money glitches to targeted behavioral incentives70+ economic experiments: From AI-powered tanuki battles to on-chain "Runescape" - why only one or two need to workThe cypherpunk optimism: Why crypto offers a more definite, grounded vision for the future than AI or roboticsWhere to find... Jeff 'Jiho' Zirlin: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/axieinfinityX: https://x.com/Jihoz_AxieLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffzirlinSkymavis: Website: https://skymavis.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/axieinfinityX: https://x.com/skymavishqLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/skymavis Axie  Website: https://axieinfinity.com/Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/axieinfinityX: https://x.com/AxieInfinityLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/axieinfinity Ronin Website: https://roninchain.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/axieinfinityX: https://x.com/ronin_network LinkedIn: https://x.com/ronin_network David Phillips: Website: www.fondo.comInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/axieinfinityX: https://x.com/davjLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davjphillips In This Episode, We Cover (00:00) From 300 to thousands of Users: The Binance Effect (17:41) Community-Driven Growth: The Role of Guilds (18:38) Experimentation as a Growth Strategy (19:52) Challenges and Advantages in Crypto Growth (20:03) Learning Through Gaming: Onboarding to Crypto (21:27) The Uniswap Airdrop: A Catalyst for Growth (22:18) Onboarding and Scaling in Crypto Gaming (23:17) The Ronin Network: A Solution for Scalability (24:40) The Evolution of Ronin and Its Community (25:10) Expanding the Ronin Ecosystem: New Games and Innovations (27:02) Economic Experiments in Crypto Gaming (28:56) The Cultural Renaissance of Crypto (30:14) Future Innovations in Web3 Gaming (31:36) Optimism for the Future of Crypto Brought to you by: Fondo — All-in-one accounting for startups: https://tryfondo.com

    36 min
  3. Parthi Loganathan: Beyond Cold Outbound - How Letterdrop Transforms Intent Signals Into Revenue Opportunities

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    Parthi Loganathan: Beyond Cold Outbound - How Letterdrop Transforms Intent Signals Into Revenue Opportunities

    Parthi Loganathan is the founder and CEO of Letterdrop, a Y Combinator-backed startup that helps B2B companies build pipeline by focusing on the warmest leads and people who are actually in market. Since launching Letterdrop, he's helped companies move beyond saturated email and cold calling tactics to identify prospects who want to talk and send them highly tailored messaging. The platform analyzes public conversations, CRM data, and sales calls to segment buyers and enable personalized outreach without relying on high-volume approaches. In this episode, we explore the fundamental shift happening in B2B sales as traditional cold outbound becomes less effective and companies invest in higher-effort tactics to stand out. The conversation covers the evolution from Letterdrop's origins as an SEO tool to its current focus on conversation intelligence, driven by market changes from ChatGPT's emergence. Parthi shares insights about the three essential components of effective outbound messaging, why customer conversations represent untapped content goldmines, and his firsthand experience being demoed by an AI sales agent. We also examine his predictions about AGI's timeline and the philosophical question facing all founders: do you build for today's market or tomorrow's technological reality? Key topics covered: Why cold email reply rates dropped 40% in 2024 and the shift away from "spam your TAM" tacticsThe reality that only 2-3% of your market wants to purchase at any given timeThree components of effective outbound: solid observation, poking the P0 problem, and value-first offersLetterdrop's strategic pivot from SEO tools to conversation intelligence as ChatGPT emergedHow customer and prospect conversations contain unique content that competitors can't replicateThe founder journey from Google product manager through multiple micro-SaaS startups to YCReal experience with an AI AE conducting demos better than human salespeopleWhy "marinating" in a single problem space beats jumping between different marketsThe philosophical choice between building Cursor (for today) versus Anthropic (for the future)AGI timeline predictions and whether UBI will arrive before widespread job displacement Where to find Parthi Loganathan: Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/parthiloganathan/ X: https://x.com/parthi_logan Where to find Letterdrop: Website: https://letterdrop.com/ Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/letterdrop/ X: https://x.com/letterdropco Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/43bSCi3FcFaJ28H7qEK59X?si=2f6afe15cea342ea Where to Find David Phillips: X: https://x.com/davj LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davjphillips/ In This Episode, We Cover (00:00) Introduction to LetterDrop and Its Mission(02:52) The Evolution of Outbound Sales Strategies(06:11) Crafting Effective Outbound Messages(09:09) Parthi's Journey as a Founder(12:02) Leveraging Social Conversations for Sales(14:59) Creating Content from Customer Conversations(17:55) Back Office Operations for Startups(20:49) The Role of AI in Sales(23:38) The Future of Work: AGI and UBI(26:46) Closing Thoughts and Future Questions Brought to you by: Fondo — All-in-one accounting for startups: https://tryfondo.com

    31 min
  4. John Paul Mussalli: How One EMT's Scrappy Prototype Evolved Into an AI Tool That Won Over 20% of NYC's EMTs

    16 SEPT.

    John Paul Mussalli: How One EMT's Scrappy Prototype Evolved Into an AI Tool That Won Over 20% of NYC's EMTs

    In this episode, I sat down with John Paul Mussalli, the co-founder and COO of CareSwift, a Y Combinator-backed startup building AI-powered software to streamline documentation for EMT workers.  JP and his cofounders brings a unique blend of technical expertise and entrepreneurial drive to the healthcare technology space, having previously worked across diverse fields from real estate automation to web development.  Since co-founding CareSwift, he's helped scale the platform to serve over 2,000 EMTs in New York City alone, generating more than 90,000 automated reports. Beyond product development, JP leads go-to-market strategy and is currently pursuing EMT certification himself to deepen his understanding of the industry's challenges. In this episode, we explore the journey from scrappy prototype to venture-backed startup and the critical lessons learned along the way.  Key topics covered: How a ChatGPT prototype evolved into a venture-backed healthcare AI platformThe hidden costs of poor EMT documentation: $1,800 per error and 11% industry revenue lossWhy 25% of New York's EMTs organically adopted CareSwift without marketingCritical incorporation mistakes that can delay funding and how to avoid themThe strategic decision to expand from narrative reports to full documentation workflowWhy domain expertise matters when building AI for specialized industriesNavigating regulatory compliance and the founder stack for healthcare startupsThe reality of Y Combinator: 996 work culture and rapid iteration cyclesFrom 15-20 minute reports to 2-minute automated workflows saving hours per shiftWhy sometimes a bug in Apple Mail can redirect your entire startup journey Where to find John Paul Mussalli  - Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jpmussalli/- X: https://x.com/jpm1126 Where to find CareSwift: - Website: https://careswift.ai/ - Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/careswift/ Where to Find David Phillips: - X: https://x.com/davj - LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davjphillips/ In This Episode, We Cover (00:00) Introduction to CareSwift and Its Founders (02:54) The Birth of CareSwift: Addressing EMT Challenges (06:09) Impact of CareSwift on EMT Efficiency (09:01) Navigating the Startup Journey: Lessons Learned (09:35) Navigating Startup Structures and Legalities (12:14) The Journey Through Y Combinator (15:06) Daily Life as a Founder in Y Combinator (17:13) Building a Founder Stack: Tools and Resources (18:57) Future Plans Brought to you by: Fondo — All-in-one accounting for startups: https://tryfondo.com

    21 min
  5. Reuben Torenberg: Inside SF's Office Market Comeback: Deals, Trends & AI Company Growth

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    Reuben Torenberg: Inside SF's Office Market Comeback: Deals, Trends & AI Company Growth

    Reuben Torenberg is a Senior Vice President at CBRE, the world's largest commercial real estate services firm. Reuben specializes in helping startups in San Francisco navigate the complex and rapidly changing office leasing landscape. Since joining CBRE in 2014, he's represented some of the biggest names in tech - including Airbnb, Coinbase, Cruise, and Dropbox - and is widely known as the go-to broker for early-stage startups and growth-stage companies alike. Beyond real estate, Reuben is also a community builder, having founded SF Hoops and SF Links, two of the city's most exclusive and founder-heavy social sports leagues. In this episode, we explore the dramatic transformation of San Francisco's commercial real estate market and the evolving dynamics between landlords, tenants, and the broader tech community. The conversation delves into current market trends in both office and retail spaces, examines how AI companies are reshaping demand patterns, and discusses the critical importance of community building in the tech industry through initiatives like SF Hoops. We also dive deep into pricing strategies, emerging market opportunities, and provide a comprehensive outlook for businesses seeking space in San Francisco. Topics covered: Why SF's commercial real estate recovery is finally here after 5 years of declineHow AI companies are driving massive demand and changing the market dynamicsWhere to find the best deals: neighborhood analysis and sweet spot sizing (10-20K sq ft)Why rents are rising and landlords are getting more confident by the dayBuildings selling at 80% discounts and what it means for new opportunitiesThe return-to-office mandate trend and its impact on space demandLower SoMa as the last frontier for deeply discounted office spaceRetail space conversion opportunities in Union SquareWhy you should secure space now vs. waiting for better dealsPricing breakdown: what 10, 25, and 50-person companies should budgetHow to navigate the search process and when to use a broker& Much moreWhere to Find Reuben Torenberg: CBRE: https://www.cbre.com X: https://x.com/RTorenberg021 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/reuben-torenberg-b985b646 Where to Find SF Hoops:https://sfhoopsleague.com https://x.com/SFHoopsleague Where to Find David Phillips: X: https://x.com/davj LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davjphillips/ In This Episode, We Cover (00:00) Current Trends in San Francisco Commercial Real Estate (02:53) Navigating the Market: Opportunities and Challenges (05:54) The Shift in Office Space Demand (08:43) Retail Space and Its Transformation (11:55) Landlord Strategies and Market Dynamics (14:52) The Rise of SF Hoops: Networking Through Sports (17:59) Future Outlook: What to Expect in the Coming Months Brought to you by: Fondo — All-in-one accounting for startups: https://tryfondo.com

    28 min
  6. Stephen Llevano: The Founder Journey, Startup Surprises, and Takeaways for Every Founder

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    Stephen Llevano: The Founder Journey, Startup Surprises, and Takeaways for Every Founder

    Stephen Llevano is the founder and CEO of Capabuild, a software platform designed for restoration contractors who work on insurance jobs. Capabuild helps these businesses manage compliance, streamline field documentation, and create accurate estimates — fast. In this episode, Stephen shares the full story behind Capabuild: how it started, what he got wrong early on, and the key insights that helped turn it into a real business. One of the biggest takeaways? The power of watching customers work in their real environment — instead of relying on what they say they need. We dive into how observing contractors in the field led to unexpected product decisions, how Capabuild evolved its pricing model after early pushback, and what it takes to build trust in a traditional, change-resistant industry. Stephen also shares his thoughts on building for overlooked markets, supporting local service businesses, and why long-term traction comes from delivering real operational value — not chasing trends or vanity metrics. If you’re building software for non-obvious industries or trying to unlock early traction, this episode is packed with practical, hard-earned wisdom. Check out Capabuild: https://www.capabuild.app/https://apps.apple.com/us/app/capabuild/id1642228115https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.capabuild.app&pcampaignid=web_shareThis episode is brought to you by: Fondo — Automate your accounting and unlock up to $500k from the IRS: tryfondo.comWhere to find Stephen Llevano X: https://x.com/StephenLlevanoLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-llevano/ Where to Find David Phillips X: https://x.com/davjLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davjphillips/Takeaways Connecting directly with customers as a founder is crucial for product successObserving customers in their actual work environment reveals true needs beyond feedbackPricing strategies must evolve based on real customer insights and market dynamicsBuilding a startup requires more time and emotional investment than initially expectedThe insurance industry is shifting, creating new opportunities for adaptive contractorsPersonal relationships often drive initial customer acquisition and business developmentDeep market understanding is essential for navigating industry complexitiesOperational efficiency directly impacts a contractor's ability to serve clients effectivelySupporting local service businesses creates stronger community economic foundationsEvery entrepreneurial experience offers valuable learning opportunities worth embracingChapters (00:01) The Entrepreneur's Journey(03:03) Identifying Market Opportunities(05:55) Building the First Version of Capabild(08:51) Customer Acquisition and Pricing Strategies(11:57) The Evolution of Capabuild(20:56) Operational Challenges and Solutions(23:51) Future of the Industry and Capabild's Mission

    31 min
  7. 15 AOÛT

    Saving Startups Millions, R&D Credit Deep Dive, and Breaking Down the Big Beautiful Bill: Jake Wedig

    Jake Wedig is the Director of Tax at Fondo, where he helps startups navigate complex tax legislation and maximize their tax benefits. With deep expertise in startup tax strategy, Jake specializes in R&D tax credits, Section 174 compliance, and helping growing companies optimize their tax positions while managing cash flow challenges. In this conversation, Jake breaks down the recent changes in tax legislation that every startup founder needs to know about, particularly the game-changing provisions in the One Big Beautiful Bill and how startups can leverage R&D tax credits to get substantial cash back on their development investments. We explore the challenges that Section 174 has created for startups and dive into practical strategies for navigating these changes, including when amending tax returns makes sense and how to leverage bonus depreciation and Section 179 deductions. Jake also explains the powerful long-term benefits of Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) for founder wealth optimization. Key topics covered: How the One Big Beautiful Bill creates new tax optimization opportunities for startupsMaximizing R&D tax credits for substantial cash returns on development investmentsNavigating Section 174's impact on R&D expense deductions and cash flow managementStrategic use of amended returns to recover from unexpected tax positionsLeveraging bonus depreciation and Section 179 for immediate equipment deduction benefitsUnderstanding QSBS benefits and the five-year holding period requirementsThe importance of proactive tax planning partnerships between startups and advisorsStaying ahead of evolving tax legislation to capture emerging opportunitiesAnd much more Brought to you by: Fondo — Automate your accounting and unlock up to $500k from the IRS: https://tryfondo.comWhere to find Jake Wedig LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacob-wedigWhere to Find David Phillips X: https://x.com/davjLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davjphillips/In This Episode, We Cover (01:42) Understanding the New Tax Bill(03:31) R&D Tax Credits and Their Importance(07:51) Impact of Section 174 on Startups(13:05) Amending Returns and Cash Flow Considerations(16:38) The Role of Tax Advisors for Startups(30:55) Bonus Depreciation and Section 179(35:23) Qualified Small Business Stock (QSBS) Benefits

    40 min
  8. Nathan Latka: Bootstrapping to $2M ARR, Turning Down $6.5M, and Funding 500+ Startups

    5 JUIN

    Nathan Latka: Bootstrapping to $2M ARR, Turning Down $6.5M, and Funding 500+ Startups

    Nathan Latka is the founder and CEO of Founderpath, a fintech platform that has deployed nearly $200 million in non-dilutive capital to 500+ software companies. He’s also the creator of GetLatka, a massive SaaS database built off the back of his top-ranked Latka podcast, where he’s interviewed thousands of founders. Nathan’s entrepreneurial journey began at 18 with the launch of Heyo, a Facebook fan page SaaS tool he bootstrapped to $2M in ARR before raising venture capital and eventually exiting. In this conversation, Nathan shares hard-earned lessons from building and exiting companies, explains why most founders don’t understand the true cost of raising VC, and offers a compelling case for why debt and secondaries can be a smarter option. We also explore: How he bootstrapped Heyo to $2M ARR before raising VCThe $6.5M exit offer he had to turn down (and regrets)What most founders misunderstand about venture capitalHow GetLatka became the #1 ranked SaaS benchmarking databaseWhy the future belongs to tiny teams with huge revenueThe three AI trends shaping SaaS company formationHow FounderPath prices startup equity daily—instantly enabling secondariesWhy hooks and attention matter more than everAnd much moreBrought to you by: Fondo — Automate your accounting and unlock up to $500k from the IRS: https://TryFondo.comWhere to Find Nathan Latka X: https://x.com/NathanLatkaInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/nathanlatka/LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathanlatka/Podcast: Latka PodcastSaaS Database: https://getlatka.comBook: How to Be a Capitalist Without Any CapitalWhere to Find David Phillips X: https://x.com/davjLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/davjphillips/In This Episode, We Cover (00:00) Intro to Nathan and FounderPath(01:30) The story behind Heyo and bootstrapping to $2M ARR(03:50) Raising venture and losing optionality(05:30) The $6.5M offer and why his board said no(07:10) Lessons from a slow death and how to move on(08:15) Why Nathan started the Latka podcast(09:30) Building GetLatka to 3,000+ daily organic clicks(11:00) The power of hooks and attention in modern SaaS(12:45) Inside FounderPath: non-dilutive capital for SaaS(14:30) How venture debt differs from traditional VC(16:15) Why secondaries are healthy, not harmful(18:00) How FounderPath prices startup equity daily(20:10) Big trends: tiny teams, chat-based dashboards, attention > techReferenced GetLatka – https://getlatka.comFounderPath – https://founderpath.comHeyo (archived) – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HeyoHow to Be a Capitalist Without Any Capital (Book) – https://www.amazon.com/How-Be-Capitalist-Without-Capital/dp/0525534440ZoomInfo – https://www.zoominfo.comTechstars – https://www.techstars.comG2 Crowd – https://www.g2.com

    18 min

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