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Damien Riehl & Horace Wu
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Join legal technology experts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu as they explore the intersection of law and technology. In each episode, they discuss the latest trends, tools, and innovations shaping the future of legal practice, from litigation tech to transactional solutions.

  1. To Burst, Or Not To Burst (ft Ken Crutchfield)

    NOV 3

    To Burst, Or Not To Burst (ft Ken Crutchfield)

    In this episode of 'Further Comments', hosts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu chat with legal tech industry veteran Ken Crutchfield about navigating the future. The discussion revolves around the potential 'bubble' in legal technology and the impact of generative AI on the legal industry. The trio explores whether current trends mirror previous economic bubbles, the nuances of legal tech adoption amidst such uncertainties, and the future of AI in reshaping legal services. They delve into topics ranging from the trust factor in legal services to the implications of AI on legal practices, providing insights for both tech enthusiasts and legal professionals.  Tune in for a thought-provoking conversation on navigating the evolving landscape of legal tech. 00:00 Introducing Ken Crutchfield 00:51 Discussion on Market Bubble 01:27 Historical Parallels and AI Growth 03:18 Legal Tech and AI Integration 05:20 Economic Bubbles and Legal Tech Market 08:12 Big Tech's Role in Legal Tech 15:16 Geopolitical and the Macro Backdrop 24:29 The Importance of Data and Relationships in AI 27:31 Trust, Integrity, and Intuition 31:16 Economic Indicators and Legal Tech Adaptation 34:57 Productization and Incentive-Aligned Fees in Law Firms 40:48 Adoption and Transformation Tips

    46 min
  2. Sharp Turns at Full Speed (ft Ted Theodoropoulos)

    SEP 29

    Sharp Turns at Full Speed (ft Ted Theodoropoulos)

    Join hosts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu on this episode of Further Comments as they welcome special guest Ted Theodoropoulos to discuss the recently concluded ILTACON 2025.  The trio delve into a variety of thought-provoking topics including the growing influence of large language models and AI on the legal industry, the prospect of non-lawyer ownership in law firms through alternative business structures (ABS), and the importance of interoperability in legal tech solutions. They also explore the potential future scenarios for law firms, including challenges and opportunities presented by technological advancements. Whether you're a skeptic or an enthusiast about the AI hype, this is an episode filled with insights and reflections you won't want to miss. 00:00 ILTACON Reflections and AI Hype 03:39 Venture Capital and AI in Law 07:25 Interoperability and Legal Standards 10:48 Data Management in Law Firms 14:06 Innovation and the Role of Lawyers 22:41 Empathy and User Experience 24:12 Challenges in AI Adoption 27:57 The Importance of Problem-Solving in Solutions 28:54 The Flawed Partnership Model in Law Firms 30:39 The Rise of Alternative Business Structures (ABS) 35:01 The Role of AI in Modern Law Firms 36:22 Challenges in Adopting New Technologies 39:50 The Future of Law Firms and AI Integration 49:30 Optimism for the Future of Legal Services

    54 min
  3. Gunderson: Lessons from the Edge of Tomorrow (ft Joe Green and Stephanie Goutos)

    AUG 27

    Gunderson: Lessons from the Edge of Tomorrow (ft Joe Green and Stephanie Goutos)

    In this episode of Further Comments, Damien and Horace are joined by Joe Green and Stephanie Goutos from Gunderson to discuss the integration of AI and technology in legal practice. The conversation covers Gunderson's innovative approaches, the adoption of tools like ChatGPT and Perplexity, and the challenges and opportunities in modernizing legal workflows. From humorous anecdotes to insights on future tech, this episode provides a comprehensive look into how AI is transforming the legal industry. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 02:28 AI and Technology in Law Firms 04:49 The Impact of ChatGPT 08:52 Developing Internal AI Tools 15:46 Client Inspiration and Innovative Tools 19:43 First Impressions of the Agentic Browser 20:22 Legal Applications of Agentic Tools 21:19 Evolution of Legal Tech and Tool Building 22:27 Introducing ChatGD Plus 23:41 Challenges and Integration in Legal Tech 25:06 The Role of AI in Legal Practice 26:39 Future of Agentic Tools and Legal Tech 31:50 Balancing Risks and Embracing AI 32:22 Advice for Law Firms on AI Adoption 41:28 Optimism for the Future of Legal Tech

    44 min
  4. A Brief History of Everything DMS (ft Mark Denner)

    AUG 9

    A Brief History of Everything DMS (ft Mark Denner)

    Take a deep dive into the evolution of document management systems in law firms with hosts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu. Featuring expert insights from Mark Denner of Fireman & Co., this episode explores the history, current landscape, and future of DMS. Learn why systems like iManage and NetDocuments dominate the market, how AI could be poised to revolutionize DMS, and the unique challenges and innovations in the legal industry. Don't miss this comprehensive look into the essential tools that law firms use to manage their vast data securely and efficiently. 00:00 Recent Travels 01:08 The Gen AI Landscape in Law Firms 01:42 Introducing Mark Denner: Document Management Systems Expert 02:32 The Evolution of Document Management Systems 05:43 Challenges and Solutions in DMS Adoption 13:06 The Rise of Cloud-Based DMS 21:07 The Future of DMS and AI Integration 36:55 Closing Thoughts

    38 min
  5. Mind in the Mirror (ft Dr Megan Ma)

    JUN 22

    Mind in the Mirror (ft Dr Megan Ma)

    In this riveting episode of 'Further Comments', hosts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu welcome Dr. Megan Ma from Stanford to delve into the intersection of AI and legal practice. They discuss Megan's work on multi-agent simulations for training young attorneys, the significance of personas in AI models, and the future of AI in legal professions.  This episode offers a wealth of knowledge on how cutting-edge AI research is reshaping the legal field.  00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:41 Guest Introduction: Dr. Megan Ma 01:31 Personal News and AI Analogies 05:09 Research on Multi-Agent Simulations 09:02 Training and Customization of AI Agents 16:34 Risk Mitigation and Future Directions 22:55 Challenges and Collaborations in AI Research 25:52 Introduction to Generative Agents 26:15 Simulating Human Behavior in AI 27:18 Applying AI in Legal Domain 29:10 Innovative Legal Tools 31:53 Personality and Subjectivity in Law 34:15 Evaluating AI and Human Collaboration 37:03 Future of AI in Legal Practice 43:33 Challenges and Opportunities in AI Training 44:27 AI as Companions and Counselors 49:34 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

    50 min
  6. Legal Knowledge and the Magic Easy Button

    JUN 4

    Legal Knowledge and the Magic Easy Button

    In this episode of Further Comments, hosts Damien and Horace dive into the state of knowledge management (KM) in the legal industry, discussing why traditional KM practices fall short and how artificial intelligence (AI) can revolutionize the field. Horace shares insights from interviews with KM leaders and discusses the implications of AI innovations like large language models on the future of legal practice. The episode covers the challenges of data organization, the role of AI in legal support, and the importance of capturing data exhaust. They also explore the concept of 'good enough' AI tools and the potential for open-source solutions to democratize access to sophisticated legal technologies. Tune in for a deep exploration of KM and AI's transformative potential, set against the backdrop of an industry ripe for innovation. 00:00 Introduction and Greetings 00:32 Upcoming Seminar Announcement 01:25 Why Your KM Sucks 01:45 Interviews with KM Leaders 02:07 AI and Knowledge Management 02:37 Misconceptions About AI in Legal Tech 03:49 The Role of AI in Legal Work 05:38 The Future of Legal Contracts and AI 13:53 Binding Bot Arbitration and Access to Justice 15:39 AI's Impact on Legal Support Staff 19:19 KM Teams and AI Integration 21:24 The Goal of Knowledge Management 21:55 Taxonomically Tagging 'It Depends' 22:10 SALI and FOLIO's Collection Efforts 22:55 Top-Down and Bottom-Up Ontologies 24:03 Creating an Expert System 24:47 Challenges in Knowledge Management 25:36 The Role of Large Language Models 28:46 Data Exhaust and Its Value 33:38 The Future of Context Windows 34:55 The Importance of Tagging and Quality Control 40:06 Optimism in Open Source 42:16 Upcoming Guests and Closing Remarks

    43 min
  7. Do AIs Dream of Electric Elephants

    MAY 15

    Do AIs Dream of Electric Elephants

    Join hosts Damien and Horace in their deep dive into the current state and future of AI in the legal sector.  They tackle three major topics: (1) the hype cycle of AI in tech, (2) the using autonomous agentsin legal practices, and (3) the feasibility of achieving Artificial General Intelligence (AGI).  Whether you're a legal professional, tech enthusiast, or just curious about the intersection of AI and law, this episode is a good pulse check on the zeitgeist.  00:00 The Elephants in the Room 01:34 Understanding the Gartner Hype Cycle 01:46 Debating the Hype: Individual vs Organizational Perspectives 04:23 Visualizing the Hype Cycle 05:11 Legal Tech and the Hype Cycle 13:01 Transition to AI Agents 21:45 Legal Research Tasks and AI Workflows 22:13 Human Involvement in AI Legal Workflows 23:14 Trusting AI in Legal Contexts 23:35 AI Verification and Confidence Scores 24:42 Challenges in AI Verification 29:33 Ethical Considerations in AI Usage 33:56 Defining Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) 36:18 AI's Current Capabilities and Future Potential 41:50 Practical Applications and Limitations of AI 43:48 Encouragement to Experiment with AI

    45 min
  8. Can you even Ikigai without AI? (ft Nick Abrahams)

    MAY 1

    Can you even Ikigai without AI? (ft Nick Abrahams)

    In this episode of Further Comments, Horace and Damien is joined by Nick Abrahams from Norton Rose Fulbright. Nick shares his unconventional career journey, from working in a big law firm in Sydney, studying at USC Film School, to becoming a Hollywood studio executive and then a technology lawyer in Australia. The discussion explores what it takes to be a successful lawyer, the unique perspective gained from varied career paths, and the significance of purpose. They also delve into the evolving role of lawyers in the age of AI, the importance of human expertise, and the future of legal tech.  Don't miss Nick's insights on navigating the intersection of law and technology and the optimistic future for the legal profession. 00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome 00:30 Nick Abrahams' Career Journey 00:57 The Hollywood Experience 02:36 Return to Law and Teaching 04:52 The Two Speeds of the Legal Profession 08:03 Purpose and Passion in Careers 12:22 AI and the Future of Law 16:56 The Role of Lawyers in the Age of AI 20:19 The Role of Risk in Business 21:06 AI Solutions in Legal Practice 21:54 Client Control and Law Firm Adaptation 22:23 Quantifying Risk in Legal Work 23:23 Accenture's Approach to Risk Management 24:52 AI in Contract Review 26:13 Balancing Accuracy and Efficiency 35:25 The Future of Legal Training with AI 38:10 Client Relationships and Legal Tech Integration 42:10 Optimism for the Future of Law

    46 min
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Join legal technology experts Damien Riehl and Horace Wu as they explore the intersection of law and technology. In each episode, they discuss the latest trends, tools, and innovations shaping the future of legal practice, from litigation tech to transactional solutions.

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    Damien Riehl & Horace Wu
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    2024 - 2025
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