[B]OLD AGE With Debbie Weil

Debbie Weil
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A podcast about (b)oldly moving from midlife to old age in a society that devalues old people and/or misunderstands what (b)old age is *really* like. Debbie, who is 72, explores that question in frank 30-minute conversations with best-selling authors, experts, and exceptional individuals. With her guests she delves into the unretired (non-retired) life, ageism, ambition, slowing down (or not), physical deterioration, grandparenting, intergenerational collaboration, grief and widowhood, and more. As well as other stuff that piques her interest such as the craft of writing. She invites her husband, Sam Harrington, on as a frequent guest. He’s a retired physician with a dry sense of humor and he makes her laugh. Debbie and Sam took a grownup gap year at age 61, leaving behind a professional life in Washington D.C. Now in their early 70s, they live a busy and productive "unretired" life on an island off the coast of Maine. Debbie writes for Substack at debbieweil.substack.com. Over 100 previous episodes at debbieweil.com/podcast MEDIA PARTNERS: Encore.org Modern Elder Academy (Formerly) Next For Me

  1. Podcast Finale: Debbie & Sam Reflect on Five Years of Podcasting and Ten Gap Years

    05/31/2024

    Podcast Finale: Debbie & Sam Reflect on Five Years of Podcasting and Ten Gap Years

    Today is a special episode because, after five years, this podcast is ending. You’ll hear why in this episode. Debbie and her husband, Sam Harrington, talk about why it’s time for a finale, about getting old, about legacy (and how it’s different for the two of them, right now), about their life during the past decade, how it's changing even now (they're both 72), and about what lies ahead, at least creatively.  Frankly, Debbie doesn't sound very happy in this episode, but that’s because this has been a hard decision. Debbie thinks it's the right one; Sam needs convincing.  But there is some good news! Debbie is continuing to explore the topic of [b]old age on Substack where she writes essays, host Q&A’s, and has created a lively community of [b]old women writers, in their 60s, 70s, and 80s. And some younger women too. She invites you to join her on Substack! It's more interactive than the podcast, you'll get to know other subscribers in the Comments, and you can offer your own take on the topic of what it's really like to get old and why it requires [b]oldness. https://debbieweil.substack.com Endings are always bittersweet but you've got access to 120 past episodes of [B]old Age on Apple or wherever you listen to podcasts.  ////////// Continue the conversation about [B]old Age, and what getting old is really like, on Debbie's [B]OLD AGE Substack.  //////////   Mentioned in this episode or useful: S3E21: Nicholas Christakis on How the Pandemic Will Affect Your Life Until 2024S4E13: Nicholas Christakis With a COVID Update and the Connection Between Pandemics, War, and Climate ChangeS3E24: Steven Petrow on the Stupid Things He Won’t Do When He Gets OldS6E8: Steven Petrow on His Sister Julie, the Importance of Choice, and Medical Aid in DyingS5E7: Andrew Steele on Research at the Cellular Level That Could Slow AgingS4E17: Dr. Bree Johnston on Psychedelic Therapy to Ease Fear of DeathAt Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life by Samuel Harrington MD (​Grand Central Life & Style; 2018)LA PETITE PERIGOURDINE, Paris (restaurant Debbie & Sam mention, where Julie-Roxane used to work)Debbie’s Substack editor: Erin ShetronFINALLY, a shoutout to Julie-Roxane, Debbie’s podcast producer (currently off social media & website-less!). Without JR, there would be no podcast.  More [B]OLD AGE: debbieweil.com/podcast120 episodes of the [B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE continues on SubstackEmail: thebolderpodcast@gmail.comDebbie and Sam’s blog, started in 2013: Gap Year After SixtyLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/debbieweil  Our Media Partners: CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)  Credits: Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake

    32 min
  2. Author Sarah Fay on Healing Her Own Mental Illness and Applying Less and Less of More and More to Life and Substack

    05/10/2024

    Author Sarah Fay on Healing Her Own Mental Illness and Applying Less and Less of More and More to Life and Substack

    Today, Debbie talks with Sarah Fay, a 52-year-old award-winning author, writing teacher, and mental health keynote speaker whose work has been featured on NPR, Oprah Daily, Forbes, The Los Angeles Times, and more. Her journalistic memoir Pathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses (HarperCollins, 2022) was an Apple Best Books pick and was hailed in The New York Times as a “fiery manifesto of a memoir.” Her sequel, Cured: The Memoir, tells the story of Sarah’s full recovery from serious mental illness and how recovery is possible for everyone. She writes for many publications, including The New York Times, The Atlantic, Time, and The Paris Review, where she was an advisory editor. Her essays have been chosen as a Notable Mention in Best American Essays and nominated for Pushcart Prizes. As a teacher, she’s on the faculty at Northwestern University and runs Writers at Work, a weekly publication with workshops to help creative writers produce their best work on Substack and get paid (very) well to do it. Her master plan is to make Substack the literary center of the universe.  They talk about the parallels between Sarah’s journey of recovery from misdiagnosis to curing her own serious mental illness and her work teaching Substack writers to think big (and get paid for it). Debbie wanted to know if Sarah’s journey to mental health was connected to her success as a writer AND to her ability and desire to help other writers. The answer is yes. They touch on emotional literacy, the prerequisites for healing from mental illness, how to deal with anxieties as writers, what Substack is and who it is for, and what Sarah loves most about helping other writers.    ////////// Don't miss the Behind The Scenes for every episode in Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter.  //////////  Mentioned in this episode or useful:Sarah Fay’s websiteSubstack, the publishing platform dubbed "a new economic engine for culture"Substack Writers at Work, Sarah’s weekly newsletter and community with workshops, a featured expert guide to SubstackSarah’s Less and Less of More and More, a Substack featured publicationPathological: The True Story of Six Misdiagnoses by Sarah Fay (‎HarperOne, 2022)Cured: The Memoir by Sarah Fay, serialized on Substack in 2023Best Of: Diagnosing Mental Health and 'A Molecule Away from Madness' (NPR: April 10, 2022)Without a biological basis, how reliably can we diagnose and treat mental illness? (NPR: April 2, 2022)Thomas Insel, MD, former director of the National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) and author of Healing: Our Path from Mental Illness to Mental Health (Penguin Press, 2022) where he mentions the 3 Ps Sarah talks about on this episode.   Connect with Debbie: debbieweil.com[B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE newsletter on SubstackEmail: thebolderpodcast@gmail.comDebbie and Sam’s blog: Gap Year After SixtyInstagram: @debbieweilLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/debbieweil  Our Media Partners: CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)  How to Support this podcast: Leave a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe  Credits: Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake

    40 min
  3. Patty Ivey on Getting Breast Cancer at Age 70 and How It’s Changing What She Will Give Back to the World

    04/19/2024

    Patty Ivey on Getting Breast Cancer at Age 70 and How It’s Changing What She Will Give Back to the World

    Today Debbie talks to Patty Ivey about life changes and opportunities opening up for her after being diagnosed with and treated for breast cancer last year. Inspiring doesn’t really cover it as a way to describe Patty. Neither does [b]old, as in [B]OLD AGE. Patty and Debbie go back at least 15 years, when Debbie was a regular at Patty's Down Dog yoga studio in DC. It was always special when Patty, the owner, taught a class. Her classes were different. They offered all the benefits that practicing yoga offers beyond what happens on the mat; with Patty teaching, the class was mind-expanding. She made yoga open up new possibilities for how to live.  So when Debbie saw Patty posting beautiful, bald photos of herself on her LinkedIn page, she immediately got in touch to find out how she was doing. As Patty explains it, she is using life principles from yoga, which include leaving room for what we don’t know and focusing on something bigger than ourselves, as she looks ahead.  She acknowledges an identity shift that has come with cancer. Some older version of herself is no longer there, but she's okay with that. Like most women, Debbie is terrified of getting breast cancer, but with Patty as a guide (she’s also a mentor and a life coach as well as being a serial entrepreneur), it seems there could be an upside. We hope you are as inspired by this conversation as Debbie was.    ////////// Don't miss the Behind The Scenes  for every podcast episode in Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter on Substack. //////////   Mentioned in this episode or useful: Patty’s website: https://thepattyivey.com/Patty on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pattyiveyHer studio in DC: https://www.downdogyoga.com/Her yoga teacher Baron Baptiste: https://www.baptisteyoga.com/Connect with Debbie: debbieweil.com[B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE newsletter on SubstackEmail: thebolderpodcast@gmail.comDebbie and Sam’s blog: Gap Year After SixtyFacebook: @debbieweilInstagram: @debbieweilLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/debbieweil  Our Media Partners: CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)  How to Support this podcast: Leave a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify  Credits: Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake

    39 min
  4. Lyn Slater on How To Be Old and Why She Is No Longer a Fashion Influencer

    03/29/2024

    Lyn Slater on How To Be Old and Why She Is No Longer a Fashion Influencer

    Debbie speaks with Lyn Slater, a writer and activist and former social media influencer. She spent her mid-60s becoming an icon of fashion, racking up nearly 800,000 Instagram followers, representing huge brands like Ilia Beauty, Kate Spade, Moncler, and Visa (among many others), speaking on fashion panels, and in general living a very public life. Her memoir, “How to Be Old: Lessons in Living Boldly From the Accidental Icon" is just out. But… and there’s a big BUT, Lyn has given up that identity and is now, at 70, a writer and hands-on grandmother. She has renounced social media and no longer offers fashion or style tips. In this episode she tells Debbie that she was unhappy at the peak of her influencer career, what she learned from her mother’s decline and death, and how we have to tell the truth about old age to young women.    ////////// Don't miss the Behind The Scenes for every episode in Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter.  //////////   Mentioned in this episode or useful: At 70, This Instagram Influencer Shows That It’s Never Too Late by Alix Strauss (The New York Times, Feb. 21, 2024)How to Be Old: Lessons in Living Boldly From the Accidental Icon by Lyn Slater (Plume, March 12, 2024)I’m 70 years old — why shouldn’t my clothes convey my sexuality, and sense of style? by Lyn Slater (excerpt from her new book; CNN, March 12, 2024)AccidentalIcon.comLyn’s Substack newsletterLondon Writers' Salon    Connect with Debbie: debbieweil.com[B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE newsletter on SubstackEmail: thebolderpodcast@gmail.comFacebook: @debbieweilInstagram: @debbieweilLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/debbieweil  Our Media Partners: CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)  How to Support this podcast: Leave a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify*Credits:**Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake

    39 min
  5. Steven Petrow on His Sister Julie, the Importance of Choice, and Medical Aid in Dying

    03/08/2024

    Steven Petrow on His Sister Julie, the Importance of Choice, and Medical Aid in Dying

    In the Intro to this episode, you'll hear Steven Petrow talking about his sister Julie Petrow’s death last June 2023. After years of battling ovarian cancer, Julie, Steven’s five-years-younger little sister, chose to die in her New Jersey home by drinking a lethal cocktail. She was surrounded by her family. And it was legal. She used a procedure called MAID or medical aid in dying, which is now legal in 10 states in the U.S. plus the district of Columbia. But before she died, she made Steven, who is a bestselling author and a contributing columnist for The Washington Post, promise to write about how she chose to die, in order to raise awareness around MAID, a practice that many people don’t know about, or don’t understand, even though it was first legalized in Oregon, almost 30 years ago.  So Steven did, publishing an essay about Julie and her decision in The New York Times a few months ago. It got a huge reception with over 600 comments on the NYT’s site.  In this episode, Steven explains more:   What the term medical aid in dying means and what it is exactly (it used to be called physician assisted suicide, but a physician is NOT present)Why he thinks only 9,000 people have availed themselves of the procedure since it first became legalizedWhy it’s mostly used by educated whites (for one thing, the cocktail of lethal drugs cost $700 to $900 and is NOT reimbursable) This is simply a fascinating episode and Steven is a lovely guest, eloquent, respectful, and informed. It was such a pleasure to have him back on the show. As always, see below for links to his articles and books, including the NYT article, and a link to the first time he was on the show almost three years ago.     ////////// Don't miss Debbie's Behind The Scenes essay on Substack accompanying every episode of the podcast.  //////////   Mentioned in this episode or useful: Steven Petrow’s websiteI Promised My Sister I Would Write About How She Chose to Die by Steven Petrow (New York Times, Dec. 28, 2024)A cancer patient had decided how to die. Here's what I learned from her.  by Steven Petrow (Washington Post, Feb. 18, 2024)NPR podcast with Steven Petrow about MAID  (Feb. 22, 2024)He didn't want his sister to die. But her suffering helped him understand her choice (NPR, Feb. 25, 2024)How Aid in Dying Became Medical, Not Moral by Rachel E. Gross (New York Times, Oct. 24, 2023)At Peace: Choosing a Good Death After a Long Life by Samuel Harrington MD (Grand Central Life & Style; February 2018)States Where Medical Aid in Dying is Authorized[B]OLD AGE Podcast S3E24 - Steven Petrow on the Stupid Things He Won’t Do When He Gets OldStupid Things I Won't Do When I Get Old: A Highly Judgmental, Unapologetically Honest Accounting of All the Things Our Elders Are Doing Wrong by Steven Petrow (Citadel; June 29, 2021) Connect with Debbie: debbieweil.com[B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE newsletter on SubstackEmail: thebolderpodcast@gmail.comDebbie and Sam’s blog: Gap Year After SixtyFacebook: @debbieweilInstagram: @debbieweilLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/debbieweil  Our Media Partners: CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)  How to Support this podcast: Leave a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify  Credits: Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake

    36 min
  6. Kirsten Powers on Changing the Channel From CNN Political Analyst to Easeful Living and Writing

    02/16/2024

    Kirsten Powers on Changing the Channel From CNN Political Analyst to Easeful Living and Writing

    Today, Debbie talks with Kirsten Powers, a New York Times bestselling author, a liberal columnist and, most recently, an on-air political analyst with CNN. In 2023, after almost two decades, she left what she calls the “media circus” to pursue a different life as a writer and a life coach. Kirsten, who is 56, is [b]old by any definition. Prior to CNN she was at Fox (as a liberal voice) and before that she was a columnist for USA Today, The Daily Beast, American Prospect Online, and the New York Post. Her recent bestselling book is Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts. Currently Kirsten writes a very popular newsletter on Substack, called, appropriately, "Changing the Channel." It's about living authentically, unlearning societal conditioning, and how to actually change your life. She published an essay recently about her plan to move to Italy with her husband because, as she put it, the U.S. is unlivable, with school shootings, the frenetic pace of life and because it’s too expensive. Somehow we are societally conditioned to accept this, as if it’s normal. But it’s not, Kirsten emphasizes. The post went viral, hitting a nerve with her many readers. Now she’s working on a book proposal.  Since leaving her on-air job, Kirsten has been deliberately pursuing what she calls a "more easeful life" that is less striving and less accomplishment-oriented. It includes writing on Substack, which she loves. In this episode she also talks about her transition from evangelical christian to atheist.  Kirsten is fast thinking and provocative and Debbie loved this conversation with her.  ////////// Don't miss the Behind The Scenes for every episode in Debbie's [B]OLD AGE newsletter. //////////   Mentioned in this episode or useful: Kirsten Powers - Wikipediakirstenpowers.comChanging the Channel : Kirsten’s Substack newsletterThe way we live in the United States is not normal: Kirsten’s viral Substack post about moving to Italy  (Nov. 29, 2023)Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts by Kirsten Powers (Convergent Books; Nov. 2021)Kirsten Powers: A liberal working for Fox News (Washington Post, June 17, 2015)What are the Nine Enneagram Types?CP Enneagram where Kirsten is studying for an Enneagram certificate.Myers-Briggs Type Indicator® (MBTI®)Jonathan Merritt on Personal Transformation and the Complicated Intersection of Faith and Culture:  Season 5, Episode 19 of the podcast.Behind the Scenes with Jonathan Merritt  by Debbie Weil (Substack, July 7, 2023)My Complicated Feelings About Tim Keller by Kirsten Powers (Substack, May 24, 2023)MEA: the midlife wisdom school  in Baja, MX and Sante Fe, NM where Debbie and Kirsten met.  Connect with Debbie: debbieweil.com[B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE newsletter on SubstackGap Year After Sixty Debbie Weil and husband Sam Harrington’s joint blog  Our Media Partners: CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)  How to Support this podcast: Leave a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify  Credits: Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake

    35 min
  7. Bestselling Author Dale Russakoff on Being a Southern Woman at Harvard, Ambition at 71, and How Family Matters Most

    01/26/2024

    Bestselling Author Dale Russakoff on Being a Southern Woman at Harvard, Ambition at 71, and How Family Matters Most

    Today, Debbie talks to Dale Russakoff, a veteran reporter for The Washington Post, a bestselling author, and a classmate from her Harvard/Radcliffe class of 1974.  They talk about her surprising experience at Harvard as a woman from the South, her distinguished career as a journalist, and the importance of family.  Debbie knew that Dale had been a reporter for The Washington Post for almost 30 years. And that she is the author of a best-selling book, THE PRIZE. But in this episode she told Debbie something she'd never heard before: what it was like to be a Southern girl at Harvard. Dale, who had a Southern accent then, said she was reluctant to open her mouth at first.  She'd grown up in Birmingham, AL and when she arrived in Cambridge she learned that the Radcliffe admissions committee hadn’t admitted a woman from the South in many years, unless she had gone to a Northern boarding school. The committee thought girls who grew up and went to school in the South wouldn't have “the values" Radcliffe wanted; i.e. they would be racist.   She and Debbie talk about what it was like to be a female student in the man's world of Harvard, how "ambition" fit into her college years and, later, how it related to Dale's career in journalism. They talk about the importance of family, including grandchildren. And how she feels AT. CAPACITY. (i.e. too busy) in semi-retirement, at age 71. ////////// Don't miss Debbie's Substack essay on the topic of being too busy or AT. CAPACITY.  //////////   Mentioned in this episode or useful: The Prize: Who's in Charge of America's Schools? By Dale Russakoff (Houghton Mifflin Harcourt; 2015)New York Times review of THE PRIZE (Aug. 18, 2015)Dale’s reporting about the South when she was a college student: The Other Lost Cause (The Harvard Crimson, May 13, 1974)How a girl in the old South grew up to be a civil rights historian and a Harvard president: a review of a new memoir by Drew Faust, President of Harvard from 2007 - 2018 (LA Times, Aug. 17, 2023)Radcliffe Women Share Their Stories (Harvard Magazine, 2021)Nathan Pusey  President of Harvard from 1953 to 1971:Matina Horner President of Radcliffe College in the 1970s  THE FIRST TWO EPISODES IN THIS TRILOGY: Conversations with two more of Debbie's classmates from the Harvard/Radcliffe class of 1974: A'lelia Bundles on Legacy, Leadership and Growing [B]older at 70Winifred White Neisser on Ambition, Embracing 70, and What Comes Next  Connect with Debbie: debbieweil.com[B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE newsletter on SubstackEmail: thebolderpodcast@gmail.comDebbie and Sam’s blog: Gap Year After Sixty  Our Media Partners: CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)  How to Support this podcast: Leave a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify  Credits: Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake

    38 min
  8. Bestselling Author Mary Pipher on Forgiveness, Happiness, and Old Age

    12/22/2023

    Bestselling Author Mary Pipher on Forgiveness, Happiness, and Old Age

    * This is the last episode in 2023. Back on Jan. 26, 2024! * Debbie talks to Mary Pipher, a psychologist and bestselling author of 11 books including the ground-breaking Reviving Ophelia: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls.  She was the first psychologist to recognize and articulate why life was difficult for adolescent girls and why so many of them felt bad about themselves. More recently, she has written Women Rowing North: Navigating Life’s Currents and Flourishing As We Age, about women navigating the transition from middle age to old age (the topic of this podcast!). In 2022, she published a memoir, A Life in Light: Meditations on Impermanence. In her new book, just out in paperback, Mary, now 76, talks about her difficult childhood and her relationship with her parents, the importance of family and community, living in a small town in Nebraska, and what the particular challenges of getting old are. She also talks about forgiveness, about adopting Buddhism and her definition of happiness. Per the title, she’s obsessed with light, through trees, on walks, at certain times of day, in certain rooms, and in memories — and how the light makes her feel happy and complete. She says her knowledge about happiness comes from being someone who has struggled with sadness and anxiety much of her life, something that resonates strongly with Debbie. This is a great episode. Mary articulates so well what it’s really like to get old and yet still feel so alive. ////////// Don't miss the Behind The Scenes essay on Substack accompanying this episode  //////////   Mentioned in this episode or useful: MaryPipher.comA Life in Light: Meditations on Impermanence by Mary Pipher (Bloomsbury Publishing paperback edition, Dec. 12, 2023)Reviving Ophelia 25th Anniversary Edition: Saving the Selves of Adolescent Girls by Mary Pipher PhD & Sara Gilliam (‎Riverhead Books 2019)Women Rowing North: Navigating Life's Currents and Flourishing As We Age by Mary Pipher (Bloomsbury Publishing paperback  2020)Finding Light in Winter by Mary Pipher (Guest Essay for The New York Times, Dec. 11, 2023)This is 74: Mary Pipher Responds to The Oldster Magazine QuestionnaireJane Jarvis, Player of Jazz and Mets Music, Dies at 94 (New York Times, Jan. 30, 2010)  Connect with Debbie: debbieweil.comEmail: thebolderpodcast@gmail.com[B]OLD AGE podcast[B]OLD AGE newsletter on SubstackFacebook: @debbieweilInstagram: @debbieweilLinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/debbieweil  Our Media Partners: CoGenerate (formerly Encore.org)MEA and with thanks to Chip ConleyNext For Me (former media partner and in memory of Jeff Tidwell)  How to Support this podcast: Leave a review on Apple PodcastsSubscribe via Apple Podcasts, Google Podcasts, Stitcher or Spotify  Credits: Host: Debbie WeilProducer: Far Out MediaMusic: Lakeside Path by Duck Lake

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A podcast about (b)oldly moving from midlife to old age in a society that devalues old people and/or misunderstands what (b)old age is *really* like. Debbie, who is 72, explores that question in frank 30-minute conversations with best-selling authors, experts, and exceptional individuals. With her guests she delves into the unretired (non-retired) life, ageism, ambition, slowing down (or not), physical deterioration, grandparenting, intergenerational collaboration, grief and widowhood, and more. As well as other stuff that piques her interest such as the craft of writing. She invites her husband, Sam Harrington, on as a frequent guest. He’s a retired physician with a dry sense of humor and he makes her laugh. Debbie and Sam took a grownup gap year at age 61, leaving behind a professional life in Washington D.C. Now in their early 70s, they live a busy and productive "unretired" life on an island off the coast of Maine. Debbie writes for Substack at debbieweil.substack.com. Over 100 previous episodes at debbieweil.com/podcast MEDIA PARTNERS: Encore.org Modern Elder Academy (Formerly) Next For Me

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