Getting Real with Bossy: For Women Who Own Business

Kelly Metras & Kelly Bush
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The Real Raw and Honest podcast about small business ownership hosted by Kelly Bush + Kelly Metras, co-owners of BOSSY ROC, a support group for business owners. With our experience, nine businesses in over 25 years, we continue to bear it all and share what we wish we had known. We move past the must-be-nices and start getting real. Come along as we interview other business owners and get the true story. New episodes every 2nd and 4th Monday of the month. www.BossyRoc.com

  1. Are You Built for This? The Truth About Your Entrepreneurial Wiring

    APR 6

    Are You Built for This? The Truth About Your Entrepreneurial Wiring

    Are You Built for This? The Truth About Your Entrepreneurial Wiring Let’s be honest: entrepreneurship isn’t for the faint of heart… and this episode? It’s calling you out (in the best way possible). Join hosts Kelly Bush and Kelly Metras as they dive headfirst into the real reason some business owners thrive while others burn out: your cognitive wiring. Because here’s the truth- running a business isn’t just about strategy and spreadsheets. It’s about managing emotions, leading people, making tough calls, and somehow keeping it all together when chaos hits (which it will). In this episode, we break down the four business owner archetypes: The Builder The Visionary The Guardian The Strategic Operator Each one comes with its own superpowers and its own set of challenges. The question is… which one are you? We’re getting real about: The emotional rollercoaster of entrepreneurship (yes, burnout is part of the convo)Why feeling overwhelmed doesn’t mean you’re failing, it means you’re humanThe mental toughness it actually takes to lead (and why it might feel like a “slight mental illness”)How your natural tendencies shape everything from decision-making to team dynamics And at the core of it all, we’re asking the question every entrepreneur needs to hear: Are you built for this? This episode isn’t about fitting into someone else’s version of success. It’s about understanding how you operate- so you can lead smarter, not harder. Key Takeaways Burnout isn’t a badge of honor, but it is a warning sign you can’t ignoreKnowing how your brain works is a leadership advantageYou’re not “bad at business.” You might just be misaligned with your strengthsClear expectations and communication = stronger, happier teamsLeading people requires both empathy and boundaries (yes, both can exist)Identifying your archetype can help you manage stress, make better decisions, and actually enjoy the business you built Links + Resources Check out more from the BOSSY community: Bossy RochesterBOSSY Rocbossyroc@gmail.comBossyroc.com@bossyrochester If you’ve ever questioned whether you’re cut out for entrepreneurship… this episode is your reality check. And your roadmap forward. Mentioned in this episode: Connections with Evan Dawson Connections with Evan Dawson - Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts Connections Joe Bean Roasters Use promo code Lunchador for 15% off your order! https://shop.joebeanroasters.com Lunchador Podcast Network Check out all of the shows on the Lunchador Network at lunchador.org!

    44 min
  2. Teach What You Know: The Business of Online Courses

    MAR 16

    Teach What You Know: The Business of Online Courses

    What does it really take to turn your expertise into an online course people actually want to buy? In this episode, hosts Kelly Bush and Kelly Metras sit down with Jasmine Jonte, founder and CEO of Cre8tion, to unpack the art and strategy behind transforming knowledge into impactful — and profitable — educational programs. The conversation kicks off with an honest look at the realities of entrepreneurship. From running businesses to hosting a podcast to managing everyday life, Kelly and Kelly share the very real juggling act many founders know all too well. That candid moment sets the stage for a deeper conversation about building sustainable businesses and finding smart ways to scale your expertise. Jasmine brings her extensive background in education and program design to the table, offering practical insights into what makes an online course truly effective. She explains why simply knowing something isn’t enough — successful educators must also understand how to teach it in a way that connects with learners. Together, the trio explores the key ingredients of a compelling online program, including identifying your ideal audience, crafting an irresistible offer, and designing learning experiences that genuinely resonate. Jasmine also shares how emerging AI tools can simplify and accelerate course creation, while emphasizing that meaningful learning still relies on authentic human connection. Whether you're an entrepreneur, coach, creative, or industry expert, this episode is packed with actionable insights to help you package your knowledge into programs that educate, engage, and generate revenue. Key TakeawaysUnderstanding your audience’s needs, goals, and challenges is the foundation of any successful educational program.Before building a course, start with a clear, compelling offer that solves a specific problem for your audience.Your unique experiences and perspective are valuable assets — authenticity helps your content stand out in a crowded marketplace.Great courses combine smart marketing with engaging learning design to create real transformation for participants.AI can help streamline course development, but human connection and thoughtful teaching remain essential for impactful learning.Listeners are encouraged to reflect on their own expertise and consider how they might turn their knowledge into structured, scalable programs. Links Mentionedcreation.cobossyroc.com Mentioned in this episode: Lunchador Podcast Network Check out all of the shows on the Lunchador Network at lunchador.org! Joe Bean Roasters Use promo code Lunchador for 15% off your order! https://shop.joebeanroasters.com Connections with Evan Dawson Connections with Evan Dawson - Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts Connections

    1h 3m
  3. The Entrepreneurial Brain: Are You Wired to Build… or Burning Out?

    MAR 2

    The Entrepreneurial Brain: Are You Wired to Build… or Burning Out?

    On this episode of Getting Real with Bossy, Kelly Bush and Kelly Metras get honest about something most business owners don’t talk about enough: the mental wiring of entrepreneurs. What really makes someone built for business ownership? Is it confidence? Fearlessness? Hustle? Or is it anxiety, control issues, stubbornness… and a little bit of trauma-fueled independence? This conversation dives deep into the real traits behind entrepreneurship- the messy, complicated, powerful ones- and how they can either build your business… or burn you out. From Burnout to Mental Health Reset As winter drags on and the exhaustion creeps in, the Kellys talk about: Seasonal burnout in small businessThe mental load of leadershipWhy taking time off feels impossible (and necessary)The guilt of closing your business for your own well-beingHow entrepreneurs protect everyone else’s mental health… except their own They explore the hard truth: if you don’t step away intentionally, burnout will make the decision for you. The 10 Traits of the Entrepreneurial Brain Not the Instagram version. The real version. Each trait has an “ugly side." And a superpower. 1. Anxiety or Risk Management: Overthinking becomes scenario planning and worst-case thinking becomes preparation. 2. Hyper-Responsibility or Radical Ownership: Everything feels like your fault… But that mindset builds solutions instead of blame. 3. Control Issues or High Standards: Micromanaging can lead to burnout, but attention to detail protects your brand. 4. Insecurity (Yes, Imposter Syndrome Is Real) or Continuous Improvement: The doubt that keeps you up at night is often the fuel for evolution and innovation. 5. Stubbornness or Resilience: There’s a thin line between vision and delusion. Most successful founders have stood on it. 6. Creative Restlessness or Innovation: You can’t walk into a business without redesigning it in your head. That’s not distraction, it’s possibility. 7. High Tolerance for Uncertainty or Decisive Action: You launch before it’s perfect. You often say yes, and figure it out later. 8. Chaos Comfort or Adaptability: You function in unpredictability. While others freeze, you pivot. 9. Trauma-Driven Independence or Self-Sufficiency: “No one’s coming to save you,” so you built it yourself. 10. Relentless Ambition or Legacy: It’s never just about income. It’s about impact, growth, and building something that matters. Burnout: Strength Without Structure Burnout isn’t weakness. It’s what happens when your best traits run unsupervised. When anxiety becomes constant stress.When ownership becomes self-blame.When ambition refuses to rest.When you normalize exhaustion as dedication. The key question: Are you building a business that protects your wiring — or exploits it? Some Hard Truths Discussed Stable people don’t voluntarily sign up for unpredictable income.Rest looks suspicious in hustle culture.Being physically present 90 hours a week isn’t leadership.You can’t lead well when you’re in fight-or-flight mode.Growth isn’t always the answer. Sometimes stability is. January Reflection Check-In Remember what you “burned” in January? Are you still leaving it behind? Sometimes letting go isn’t a one-time ritual but a monthly practice. If This Resonated… If you’ve ever felt: Too anxiousToo intenseToo ambitiousToo much for a “normal” job Maybe you’re not too much. Maybe you’re wired to build. The Kellys are developing a workbook to help you unpack your entrepreneurial traits and create structure around them so stay tuned. Connect with Bossy Follow along, share your thoughts, or apply to be on the show: Instagram: @bossyrocEmail: bossyroc@gmail.comWebsite: bossyroc.com Be bold. Be brave. Be the boss. Mentioned in this episode: Connections with Evan Dawson Connections with Evan Dawson - Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts Connections Joe Bean Roasters Use promo code Lunchador for 15% off your order! https://shop.joebeanroasters.com Lunchador Podcast Network Check out all of the shows on the Lunchador Network at lunchador.org!

    41 min
  4. How Art, Identity, and Community Power Stronger Businesses

    FEB 16

    How Art, Identity, and Community Power Stronger Businesses

    A Conversation with Photographer & Author Adam Eaton Art doesn’t live in a vacuum. It shapes identity, strengthens communities, and fuels entrepreneurship. In this episode, we explore the powerful intersection of creativity and leadership with Adam Eaton, Rochester-based photographer, artist, and author of the book Black Is Beautiful. Adam’s work captures more than images; it tells stories that invite connection, reflection, and belonging. Through photography and community engagement, he demonstrates how art can be a catalyst for personal growth and social change, particularly within Rochester’s creative landscape. At a time when artists often struggle for recognition and resources, this conversation highlights why investing in the arts isn’t optional- it’s essential to a thriving community. Art as Connection, Healing, and AdvocacyThroughout the episode, Adam shares how his creative journey has deepened his connection to Rochester and the people who call it home. His book, Black Is Beautiful, celebrates identity while creating space for dialogue, representation, and pride. Art, as Adam explains, has the unique ability to: Foster emotional healingStrengthen community bondsElevate voices that deserve to be seen and heard His story is a reminder that creativity isn’t just expression, it’s advocacy. Entrepreneurship, Vulnerability, and the Power of CommunityHosts Kelly Bush and Kelly Metras expand the conversation to include the realities of entrepreneurship in 2026. From managing teams to navigating personal challenges- including recovery from surgery- they speak openly about what it takes to keep a business moving forward while honoring personal well-being. Key insights include: Why no business owner succeeds aloneHow vulnerability builds trust and resilienceThe importance of leaning on your team during hard seasons This candid perspective reframes leadership as a shared experience, not a solo act. Links & ResourcesAdam Eaton: adameaton.comBlack Is Beautiful Book: adameaton.com/black-is-beautifulInstagram: @adameatonartGeva Theatre: gevatheatre.orgBossy: bossyroc@gmail.com | bossyroc.comCity of Rochester: cityofrochester.gov Organizations MentionedFlower City Arts, Black Is Beautiful, Caribago Design, Geva Theatre, City of Rochester, Coco Ray, David, Erika J., Deja Colon Listen, Share, and Take ActionListen to the full episode to hear Adam Eaton’s story in his own words.Share this episode with an artist, entrepreneur, or community leader who believes in creativity as a force for good.Support local arts by exploring Adam Eaton’s work and investing in Rochester’s creative organizations.Subscribe, rate, and review the podcast to help amplify voices shaping stronger communities. Mentioned in this episode: Lunchador Podcast Network Check out all of the shows on the Lunchador Network at lunchador.org! Joe Bean Roasters Use promo code Lunchador for 15% off your order! https://shop.joebeanroasters.com Connections with Evan Dawson Connections with Evan Dawson - Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts Connections

    44 min
  5. Turn the Storm Into a Snow Globe – Using the Slow Season to Strengthen Your Business

    FEB 2

    Turn the Storm Into a Snow Globe – Using the Slow Season to Strengthen Your Business

    Winter has a way of forcing us to slow down. In this episode of Getting Real with BOSSY, Kelly Bush and Kelly Metras remind us that “slow” doesn’t mean stuck. It means intentional. It means restoration. It means opportunity. Inspired by the Danish concept of hygge (cozy, calm, restoration), this conversation invites business owners to take the cold, quiet season and use it to transform chaos into clarity. The storm doesn’t have to control your business. You get to turn it into a snow globe- beautiful, contained, and intentional. This episode is a powerful reminder that showing up, even when life is messy (or you’ve got nine screws and a plate in your ankle), is what leadership really looks like. You’ll hear how to: Cut the waste in your business: subscriptions, unused tools, over-ordering, and overschedulingDeclutter your physical space so your mind can think more clearlyPrepare your business to be “ready to sell,” even if you never plan toKnow your numbers so you can make confident, informed decisionsBuild systems that support you when life throws unexpected stormsDelegate without guilt and trust your teamSet real goals and build daily, weekly, and monthly steps toward themUse the slow season to plan marketing, content, and strategy aheadStep away from social media chaos and lean into email marketing that actually reaches your peopleBuild relationships with business owners who are doing what you want to doStop scrolling, start leading, and become the main character in your business story This episode isn’t about hustle. It’s about alignment. It’s about letting go of what no longer serves you. It’s about decluttering, restoring, and focusing on what truly matters. Action Steps from This Episode: Cancel one subscription you’re not usingClean one space in your businessReview your P&L or ask your accountant to walk you through itWrite down your top 3 numbers you need to track monthlyIdentify one task you can delegateReach out to one business owner you admire and ask them for coffeePick one past episode of Getting Real with BOSSY and revisit itStart building your marketing plan 3–4 months aheadPut your phone down and create something real This is your reminder: You don’t need to fix everything today. You just need to take one focused step. Turn your storm into a snow globe. Declutter. Restore. Let it go. Be bold Episodes Mentioned: 7:19 Episode 68: Prepping Your Business for the Perfect Exit, with Dr. Ruth Mannschreck 8:05 Episode 66: Money, Family, and the Tough Conversations We Can't Afford to Avoid with Julie Loughlin Haers 10:12 Episode 49: Childcare Revolution: How Rosa Marie is Turning the System on its Head 11:10 Episode 11: For the First Time in Forever! with Ida Sjolin 11:37 Episodes 62: Navigating Wealth: The Femal Perspective on Financial Empowerment with Lauri Kibbey (E.62) and Empowering Financial COnversations: Breaking Barriers for Women with Abbe F Large 11:56 Episode 67: Business Funding Made Simple: Grants, Loans & Smart Strategies with Crystal Wallace 15:46 Episode 61: The Voice of Not Enough: How to Quiet the Inner Critic with Barbara Burgess 16:27 Episode 57: The Intersection of Human Design and Entrepreneurial Growth with Mel McSherry 17:41 Episode 71: Holiday Marketing Magic (Without the Meltdown) with Alecia Peterson 20:22 Episode 72: Authenticity Sells: Why Your Copy Should Sound Like You with Rachael Johnson Episode 74: Profit First, Panic Last: Sidekick Accounting Services with Megan Schwan Episodes about COMMUNITY: Episodes 10, 42, 44, 59, 70 to start! Mentioned in this episode: Getting Real with Bossy: For Women Who Own Business Check out Getting Real with Bossy: For Women Who Own Business on Lunchador! https://feeds.captivate.fm/gettingrealwithbossy/ Lunchador Podcast Network Check out all of the shows on the Lunchador Network at lunchador.org! Joe Bean Roasters Use promo code Lunchador for 15% off your order! https://shop.joebeanroasters.com

    28 min
  6. Brewing a Legacy: How John Urlaub Changed Rochester One Pint at a Time

    JAN 19

    Brewing a Legacy: How John Urlaub Changed Rochester One Pint at a Time

    From Kodak to Craft Beer Legend: The John Urlaub Story What happens when passion meets purpose? You get a legacy that changes a city. In this inspiring episode, we sit down with John Urlaub, founder of Rohrbach Brewing Company and the visionary behind Rochester’s very first craft brewery. John takes us on a journey from his corporate career at Kodak to building a brewery that would become a cornerstone of the local craft beer community. Alongside his wife Patty, he didn’t just create a business—he built a culture rooted in quality, mentorship, and connection. We dive into how travel, tradition, and curiosity sparked his love for brewing, and how Rohrbach Brewing has stayed authentic since opening its doors in 1991. This episode is a celebration of craftsmanship, community, and what’s possible when you follow where your passion leads. Whether you love craft beer, entrepreneurship, or stories of bold leaps of faith, this conversation will leave you inspired. In This Episode, You’ll Hear About: How John’s corporate career laid the foundation for his entrepreneurial leapWhy Rochester was the perfect place for its first craft breweryThe importance of protecting quality and tradition in a fast-changing industryHow community and mentorship shape long-term successWhat keeps Rohrbach Brewing innovative and relevant decades later Key Takeaways: Following your passion can lead to extraordinary impactRohrbach Brewing Company helped define Rochester’s craft beer sceneLeadership is about lifting others and building communityQuality and authenticity never go out of styleInnovation, like limited releases, keeps tradition fresh and exciting Companies Mentioned: Rohrbach Brewing CompanyKodakAnchor SteamManhattan BreweryWegmansGenesee Brewing CompanyAthletic Brewing CompanyGo BrewingBOSSY Raise a glass to legacy, leadership, and local impact. This episode is a tribute to the pioneers who take risks, build community, and leave things better than they found them. Mentioned in this episode: Lunchador Podcast Network Check out all of the shows on the Lunchador Network at lunchador.org! Joe Bean Roasters Use promo code Lunchador for 15% off your order! https://shop.joebeanroasters.com

    52 min
  7. No Resolutions, Just Real: Living Intentionally in 2026

    JAN 5

    No Resolutions, Just Real: Living Intentionally in 2026

    As we step into 2026, hosts Kelly Bush and Kelly Metras are throwing out the rulebook on New Year’s resolutions and are inviting you to do the same. In this episode, we talk about what it really means to live intentionally, without the pressure of outside expectations or performative “new year, new me” energy. Instead of chasing perfection, we explore the power of self-acceptance, authenticity, and choosing goals that actually align with who you are. Kelly and Kelly break down a refreshing framework for the year ahead: -one meaningful annual goal -supportive quarterly intentions -plenty of mini-adventures that bring joy, balance, and well-being This conversation is your reminder that real transformation doesn’t come from hustle culture or social pressure, it comes from honoring your values, setting achievable goals, and living as your honest self. If you’re craving a calmer, more aligned way to approach the new year, this episode is for you. Key TakeawaysYou don’t need to change to be worthy. Self-acceptance is the foundation of growth. Ditch overwhelming resolutions in favor of realistic, incremental goals. Identifying and releasing unnecessary pressure creates space for clarity and peace. Intentional living means balancing ambition with self-care and joy. Regular self-reflection helps align your actions with your true desires. Supportive relationships and environments are essential for personal and professional growth. Listener ChallengeBefore setting any goals for 2026, ask yourself: What do I truly want, and what am I ready to release? Start with one intention, and let the rest unfold from there. Links & ResourcesWebsite: www.bossyroc.com Mentioned in this episode: Lunchador Podcast Network Check out all of the shows on the Lunchador Network at lunchador.org! Joe Bean Roasters Use promo code Lunchador for 15% off your order! https://shop.joebeanroasters.com

    29 min
  8. Profit First, Panic Last: Sidekick Accounting Services

    12/22/2025

    Profit First, Panic Last: Sidekick Accounting Services

    Let’s be honest- most business owners didn’t start their company because they love spreadsheets. But avoiding your numbers? That’s where things get dangerous. In this episode, we sit down with Megan Schwan, founder of Sidekick Accounting Services, to talk about money without the jargon, judgment, or shame. Megan shares why financial literacy is the real power move for entrepreneurs, and how the Profit First method flips the script on traditional accounting. We talk cash flow, confidence, and why so many smart, capable business owners (especially women and minorities) feel overwhelmed by money- and what to do about it. This episode is equal parts education, empowerment, and “why didn’t anyone tell me this sooner?” If you want your business to stop surviving and start thriving, this one’s a must-listen. What You’ll Learn:The #1 financial mistake small business owners makeHow to take control of your money without becoming an accountantWhy Profit First puts YOU firstHow understanding your numbers builds confidence, clarity, and growth Connect with Megan: chatwithmeg.com Company Spotlight: Sidekick Accounting Services Mentioned in this episode: Joe Bean Roasters Use promo code Lunchador for 15% off your order! https://shop.joebeanroasters.com Lunchador Podcast Network Check out all of the shows on the Lunchador Network at lunchador.org!

    49 min
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The Real Raw and Honest podcast about small business ownership hosted by Kelly Bush + Kelly Metras, co-owners of BOSSY ROC, a support group for business owners. With our experience, nine businesses in over 25 years, we continue to bear it all and share what we wish we had known. We move past the must-be-nices and start getting real. Come along as we interview other business owners and get the true story. New episodes every 2nd and 4th Monday of the month. www.BossyRoc.com

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