What if your most powerful leadership skill isn’t strategy or execution – but creativity? In this episode, Junaid sits back down with creative leadership coach and CEO Kate Volman to unpack a radically human approach to leading teams, building culture, and reigniting your own creative spark. This is part two of their conversation, but it stands alone as a deep dive into why people feel stuck at work, how culture kills creativity, and what leaders can do to bring it back to life. From corporate burnout to Avengers actors walking away from billion-dollar franchises, Kate shows how a lack of empathy, recognition, and humanity quietly destroys teams. She then flips the script and walks through practical ways to build a culture where people feel seen, appreciated, and genuinely excited to contribute. Whether you’re a CEO, a manager, or a solo creator, this conversation will challenge how you think about work, creativity, and what people really come to your company for. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why every person is creative (even if they’ve been told they’re “not the creative type”) How great leaders build cultures where people feel safe to experiment, fail, and share ideas The hidden reason people quit jobs (and why it’s almost never “just the money”) A simple 10-minute habit anyone can use to reignite their creative life How bringing your real personality into work deepens trust, connection, and opportunity Timestamps [00:00:00] Creative leadership: everyone is an artistJunaid and Kate open part two by redefining leadership through creativity and Kate’s belief that every person is creative in their own way. [00:02:54] When teams lose their sparkWhy people stop creating at work, and how culture, expectations, and leadership either crush or cultivate innovation. [00:05:01] Talent wars, tech, and why people really moveJunaid reflects on the AI talent shift and how creativity and meaningful work pull great people from one company to another. [00:09:21] “Treat people like people”: dreams, not job titlesKate shares the core idea from The Dream Manager and explains why employees come to work for their own dreams, not just the company’s mission. 5 Key Takeaways Creative leadership is human leadership.Creativity isn’t just for artists – it shows up in how you solve problems, communicate, parent, and lead. Great leaders activate the creativity already inside their people. Culture is the container for innovation.When expectations are clear, people feel safe to speak up, make mistakes, and be supported (not micromanaged), creativity and innovation naturally thrive. People don’t quit companies, they quit feeling unseen.Lack of recognition and empathy – from Hollywood studios to big corporates – silently pushes talented people out. A simple “I see what you do, and I appreciate you” can change everything. Your team works for their dreams, not just your mission.Employees show up because they believe your organization will help them buy a home, raise their kids well, travel, and build the life they want. Leaders who care about those dreams build loyalty. Creativity can start in 10 minutes.You don’t need a sabbatical or a studio. Pick one activity that brings you joy – writing, playing guitar, doodling, cooking – and do it for 10 minutes. The spark comes after you start, not before. Guest Links – Kate Volman www.KateVolman.comhttps://www.instagram.com/katevolmanhttps://www.youtube.com/katevolmanmedia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices