Here's What I've Heard Courtney Abud and Craig Brown

Three months after Tommy's divorce was finalized, the man who killed the Klines wound up dead. He left behind countless victims—not just the four killed in 1965 on the Avenal Cutoff, but the families that were torn apart and the people he abused. 

In the Season One finale, we explore the circumstances around Tommy Kaylor's death—and the ongoing aftermath of his choices. 

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

Tommy Kaylor's sister says he was a good man and a great father. His ex-wife, however, tells a different story.

In Episode 8, we'll hear more from the people around Tommy, explore the charges against him, and discover what happened when it was up to a judge to decide just what kind of person Tommy Kaylor really was.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

For decades, the Kline family thought there was only one man in the southbound car that killed Jerry, Linda, and Robin. As it turns out, there were three. 

In this episode, we'll introduce you to the Tommy Kaylor and his friends: Jimmie Hamilton and Larry Jones.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

While at the Milton Hershey School, Jerry and Paul were split into different houses, with administrators often blaming Paul for any slip in Jerry's grades. Paul was small and ornery, which often got him into trouble with both students and adults. 

Eventually, Paul was given a choice: Shape up or leave. So, as a seventh-grader, Paul was forced to make a decision that he would come to regret for the rest of his life. 

A warning: This episode contains descriptions of abuse that may not be suitable for some listeners.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

After a hard-fought battle on many sides, the custody dispute was settled by a judge—Jerry and Paul would attend the Milton Hershey School in Hershey, Pennsylvania. 

Started in 1910 by Milton S. Hershey as an industrial school for orphaned boys, the school was meant to be a safe haven. But while some boys thrived, others floundered—and sometimes for reasons outside of their control. What would the outcome be for Jerry and Paul?

A warning: This episode contains descriptions of abuse that may not be suitable for some listeners.

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Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.

With their parents and sister gone, Jerry and Paul Kline were alone in California—across the country from the rest of their family. They needed new guardians, and with eight adult aunts and uncles, plus two sets of grandparents, it seemed they'd be in good hands once they reached Pennsylvania.

But somehow, Jerry and Paul did not end up living with their family. In fact, for the majority of their childhood, they didn't live it anyone's family. In this episode, we'll explore the custody arrangement that caused the boys so much pain, even decades after it was all said and done.

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Our featured organization this week is EndDD.org. To learn more about their programs, visit their website. Musical direction was provided by Julia Cannon, featuring Bobby Steinfeld on piano. Here's What I've Heard is produced by Courtney Abud and Craig Brown.