High Notes

Melissa Thom

High Notes is a podcast featuring conversations on the art and business of voice, hosted by voice actor and BRAVA CEO, Melissa Thom. From Mongolian throat singing to vocal health, accents, gaming, and more, HIGH NOTES uncovers the craft behind the business. Brought to you by https://www.brava.uk.com/  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

  1. 3d ago

    UK AI Law and How to Protect Your Voice, with Dr Mathilde Pavis

    In this episode Melissa talks to Dr Mathilde Pavis, an expert in intellectual property law, ethics and new technologies, who helped build Equity’s AI toolkit and has worked directly with AI platforms including ElevenLabs. Melissa asks her why the UK currently has no personality right for voice, how that compares to other countries, and whether the law is catching up in time. The real value here is practical: exactly what to check, ask and do to protect your own voice, as things stand today. The landscape is changing fast, so staying informed matters more than ever. What we cover Why recorded voices are suddenly so valuable, and why that leaves performers and workers exposedThe UK’s patchwork of protections, and how buyout contracts and platform terms can waive themHow to protect yourself now: read contracts and terms, search them for “rights”, “waive” and “AI”, ask for carve-outs against cloning and AI training, and opt out of platform data-use settings (or contact support)Digital twin dealbreakers: ask early whether AI will be used, and make sure any replica is project-specific, time-bound and agreed in writing. Know who builds it, who uses it and who can access it, prevent it being sold on, and secure the right to have it deletedHow the UK compares with the US, the EU and Denmark, and why UK policy keeps stallingChapters 00:00 Welcome and Guest Intro 01:06 Mathilde’s Background 01:53 Why Voice Is Valuable Now 03:40 Workplace Voice Protection 07:00 AI Clauses and Transparency 08:07 Performers and UK Patchwork Rights 11:22 Contracts and Consent Basics 12:48 Pay-to-Play Platform Risks 17:35 Opting Out and Taking Action 19:29 Why UK Law Falls Short 24:21 Digital Replica vs Personality Rights 29:17 UK vs US and EU Protections 31:22 EU Transparency Rules 33:37 Denmark Leads on Likeness 36:14 Contracts Need Safeguards 37:47 Why UK Policy Stalls 40:02 Consent and Data Rights 42:13 Is It Too Late? 43:57 Workplace Voice Precautions 45:08 Performer Contract Basics 47:39 Digital Twin Dealbreakers 53:05 AI Riders and Agents 55:40 Final Takeaways and the Future Explore the episode companion notes here... Links & Resources Dr Mathilde Pavis Dr Mathilde Pavis, Legal Counsel & Policy Adviser on AI: https://www.mathildepavis.com/Agents Counsel: https://www.agentscounsel.comFree resources for agents: https://www.agentscounsel.com/resourcesPolicy UK Government Report on Copyright and AI (18 March 2026), Impact Assessment: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/report-and-impact-assessment-on-copyright-and-artificial-intelligence/copyright-and-artificial-intelligence-impact-assessmentUnions, associations and campaigns Equity AI toolkit and template contract: https://www.equity.org.uk/advice-and-support/know-your-rights/ai-toolkit/understanding-ai (see also Episode 2, Cloned Without Consent, with voice actor Faye Dicker and Equity’s Shannon Sailing: https://www.brava.uk.com/podcast/episode/1bb455dd/cloned-without-consent-with-voice-actor-faye-dicker-and-equitys-shannon-sailing )NAVA (US), National Association of Voice Actors: https://navavoices.org/Save Our Voices Now: https://saveourvoicesnow.com/‌ BRAVA https://www.brava.uk.com/Sign up to the BRAVA newsletter https://www.brava.uk.com/subscribeThis is Season 4 of HIGH NOTES. Where every conversation is a performance. ‌ **This episode is for general information and isn’t legal advice. For your own situation, speak to a lawyer, your agent or your union.** Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    UK AI Law and How to Protect Your Voice, with Dr Mathilde Pavis
  2. Oct 14

    Cloned Without Consent, with Voice Actor Faye Dicker and Equity's Shannon Sailing

    Last week, Mark Graeme (OCX UK) and Mark Eaves (Gravity Road) took us inside the decision brands now face every day: AI voice earns its place for content at scale, while a human voice wins when a brand wants to connect with its audience through trust. This week, we hear from the other side of that decision: what it’s like to be on the wrong end of AI. Voice actor Faye Dicker discovered her voice had been cloned and sold via a US platform without her consent. It was downloaded more than 900 times before it was taken down. Faye tells us how she found out, what it felt like to hear her voice saying things she never agreed to, and the steps she took to get it removed. Then we ask what can be done about it. Shannon Sailing, Industrial Official for Audio and Games at Equity, the UK’s trade union for performers, dealt with Faye’s case and is now handling a wave of similar claims. Shannon explains who to contact if it happens to you, what Equity can do, and why the union pushes for the same four things every time: consent, control, compensation and transparency. Next week, we turn to the law, with intellectual property lawyer Dr Mathilde Pavis on what current UK law says about your voice, and what you can do to protect it today. Explore the companion notes to this episode here... Faye Dicker Faye Dicker Voiceover Artist | Presenter, Host & Public Speaker | Bristol Equity Equity – the UK’s trade union for performers Audio Committee | Equity Save Our Voices Now Save Our Voices Now Sign the petition – UK Parliament Nicola Coughlan and Matt Lucas among stars backing AI voice cloning campaign – ITV News Sign up to the BRAVA newsletter https://www.brava.uk.com/subscribe 00:00 Season Intro and Stakes 01:13 Meet Faye Dicker 01:25 Career Highlights 03:15 Discovering the Clone 04:33 Testing the AI Voice 06:52 First Steps and Evidence 09:43 Equity Support and Aftermath 12:38 Takedown Speed Debate 14:13 BRAVA Sponsor Break 15:12 How Faye Feels Now 16:47 Human Voice and Advocacy 18:02 Meet Shannon from Equity 19:38 Patterns in Voice Theft 21:37 What Equity Can Do 24:18 UK Law Gaps and Fixes 27:24 Defining Success Outcomes 28:59 Advice if It Happens 33:32 Campaigns and Pressure 38:01 Future of Human Voice 40:50 Wrap Up and Next Episode Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Cloned Without Consent, with Voice Actor Faye Dicker and Equity's Shannon Sailing
  3. Oct 7

    AI or Human Voice? Why Brands Choose Both, with Mark Graeme from OCX UK (Omnicom Production) and Mark Eaves from Gravity Road

    This episode explores when and why a creative studio chooses AI over a human voice, and when it doesn't, from two vantage points in the advertising industry. Mark Graeme is Head of Studio at OCX UK (Omnicom Production, part of Omnicom Group, the world's leading marketing and sales company). Mark and his team produce work for creative agencies such as Adam & Eve/TBWA, AMVBBDO, and McCann, plus work directly with a mix of local and global brands. Mark Eaves is Founder of Gravity Road, part of The Brand Tech Group, working across brands including Unilever, Booking.com and TikTok. He led Gravity Road's build of 'Ode,' an AI poetry companion made in partnership with Microsoft AI and Poetry Pharmacy founder William Sieghart. 'Ode' is trained on Sieghart's own voice to listen and prescribe a poem. Every poem is read aloud by a real actor - Stephen Fry, Harriet Walter, Dominic West and Indira Varma among them - rather than a synthetic voice. Between them, we get the industry-wide picture and one deeply considered case study, both circling the same question creative directors are still grappling with: AI or human voice? Explore the conversation further in our companion article > OCX UK (Omnicom Production) Capability-production - Omnicom Rennie Wind Relief Campaign Rennie Wind Relief Calls Time on Britain’s Oldest Fart Cover-up | LBBOnline Rennie Baxters Story Advert TV ad: Rennie: Baxter's Story Forrester’s 2026 Technology & Security Predictions Forrester’s 2026 Technology & Security Predictions: As AI’s Hype Fades, Enterprises Will Defer 25% Of Planned AI Spend To 2027 MIT: The Gene Divide: State of AI in Business 2025 https://mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf Adobe Express: Voices of AI: Music, Speech, and the new marketing soundscape Voices of AI: Music, speech, and the new marketing soundscape | Adobe Gravity Road Gravity Road Reuters Pure News from the Source Brand Campaign https://www.reuters.com/media-center/reuters-expands-pure-news-straight-source-brand-campaign-with-two-new-video-2026-09-16/ Ode Ode - Find the poem that finds you - odepoetry.ai Bringing Ode Poetry to life with MAI’s audio models Bringing Ode Poetry to life with MAI’s audio models | Microsoft AI The Poetry Pharmacy Forever William Sieghart Books – The Poetry Pharmacy Live Sign up to the BRAVA newsletter: https://www.brava.uk.com/subscribe 00:00 Season Intro and Guests 01:58 Mark Graeme Background 02:54 Studio AI Tools 04:54 Voiceover Planning Process 06:36 Campaign Voice Wins 08:54 When AI Is a Mistake 10:19 Hype Versus ROI 12:46 Trust Gap Explained 15:30 BRAVA Sponsor Break 16:31 Consent and Corporate Use 18:31 Future of Human Voice 20:31 Mark Eaves and Gravity Road 23:07 Audio Culture Resurgence 27:13 Choosing AI Versus Human Voice 28:31 Reuters Authenticity Case 31:09 Ode Poetry Companion 36:11 Why Human Poem Readings 37:47 Wrap Up and Next Episode Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    AI or Human Voice? Why Brands Choose Both, with Mark Graeme from OCX UK (Omnicom Production) and Mark Eaves from Gravity Road
  4. Season 4 Trailer

    SEASON 4 TRAILER: The AI Voice

    High Notes returns for its fourth season with The AI Voice: a series about what happens to the human voice as AI gets good enough to replicate it. It's a conversation that reaches further than most people think. It affects not just performers, but anyone who's ever recorded a voice note, sat on a Zoom call, or had their voice used by the business they work for. BRAVA founder, Melissa Thom, talks to leading figures on both sides of the AI debate: Mark Graeme, Mark Eaves, Faye Dicker, Shannon Sailing, Dr Mathilde Pavis, David Menkin, Dan Jones, Cissy Jones, and Bonnie Nordling. Together, they explore when brands choose AI over a human voice, what happens when your voice is cloned without consent, how UK law is (and isn't) keeping up, and how performers can negotiate, license and protect their voices. New episodes every Thursday from 8th October. Subscribe on your preferred podcast platform, or visit brava.uk.com/podcast for more. Season 4 Guests Mark Graeme and Mark Eaves: Head of Studio at OCX UK (part of Omnicom Group) and Founder of Gravity Road, on AI or Human Voice? Why Brands Choose Both, and when big brands choose AI and when they don’t.Faye Dicker and Shannon Sailing: voice actor and Equity's Industrial Official for Audio and Games, on Cloned Without Consent, and what happened when Faye's voice was cloned and sold online.Dr Mathilde Pavis: intellectual property lawyer who helped build Equity's AI toolkit, on UK AI Law: Unfit for Purpose?, and what you can do to protect your voice today.David Menkin: actor and voiceover artist, on working across Games, Dubbing, Ads and Animation, and how AI risk differs in each sector.Dan Jones, former Head of Audio at Hachette UK, on The Audiobook Pipeline, and how AI narration is reshaping publishing.Cissy Jones: BAFTA award-winning actress and co-founder and CEO of Ethovox, on owning and protecting your voice, and what performers should check before licensing it.Bonnie Nordling: Managing Director of talent agency Nordlings, on Negotiating AI, and how agents are handling AI clauses in voiceover contracts. High Notes - where every conversation is a performance. Subscribe now so you never miss an episode. Follow us for more information: https://www.linkedin.com/company/bravauk/ https://www.facebook.com/bravauk https://www.instagram.com/bravauk Subscribe to the BRAVA newsletter for regular updates on news, training opportunities, and insights from the world of voice: https://www.brava.uk.com/subscribe Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    SEASON 4 TRAILER: The AI Voice
  5. 12/15/2025

    In Conversation with Margaret Heffernan: Voice, Creativity, and Embracing Uncertainty

    In this episode, Melissa sits down with professor, writer, and deep thinker, Dr. Margaret Heffernan, to explore creativity, uncertainty, and the power of authentic voice. Together, they talk about how artists and leaders can not only survive but thrive in unpredictable times, the importance of cultivating a personal style, and the art of communicating with clarity and impact. Margaret reflects on lessons from her childhood and career, shares insights from her latest book Embracing Uncertainty, and offers thoughtful guidance on building meaningful, creative lives. Tune in for inspiration and practical wisdom on navigating change, fostering creativity, and finding your voice at work and beyond. Links: https://www.mheffernan.com/ https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/99633.Margaret_Heffernan https://www.ted.com/speakers/margaret_heffernan Ready to elevate your voice, confidence, and communication at work? Contact us at BRAVA Business and start making every conversation count: brava.uk.com/business Stay connected with BRAVA Subscribe to our newsletter for the latest news, training opportunities and insights connecting business, acting, and voice: brava.uk.com/subscribe 00:00 Introduction to High Notes Podcast 01:19 Meet Margaret Heffernan: Early Life and Influences 05:54 Embracing Uncertainty: Insights from Margaret's Latest Book 09:28 The Importance of Creativity and Adaptability 16:49 The Power of Voice in Leadership 21:19 Effective Communication: Avoiding Jargon and Clichés 29:00 The Power of Storytelling in Business 30:23 The Craft of Effective Communication 35:32 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome 37:11 The Importance of Curiosity and Noticing 45:52 Creativity in Science and Engineering 46:38 The Value of Arts in Education 51:17 Building a Meaningful Creative Career Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    In Conversation with Margaret Heffernan: Voice, Creativity, and Embracing Uncertainty
  6. 12/08/2025

    Leading with Wisdom: Voice, Visibility & Purpose - with Lynne Franks

    In this episode of High Notes, we sit down with trailblazer Lynne Franks, a visionary in PR, fashion, and women’s empowerment. From shaping modern communications to founding movements that uplift and connect women, Lynne’s story is one of courage, creativity, and community. Together, we explore her remarkable journey, from her early career breakthroughs to her transformative work with initiatives like the SEED community and the What Women Want campaign. Lynne opens up about the lessons learned along the way, the power of intergenerational wisdom, and why creating safe spaces for women’s stories is key to meaningful leadership. Join us for a conversation on resilience, visibility, and purpose and discover how using your voice can spark real, lasting change. Links: https://lynnefranks.com/ TED Talk - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8Mi1YtGHwc https://seednetwork.com/ https://www.whatwomenwantnow.co.uk/ Ready to elevate your voice, confidence, and communication at work? Contact us at BRAVA Business and start making every conversation count: brava.uk.com/business Stay connected with BRAVA Subscribe to our newsletter for the latest news, training opportunities and insights connecting business, acting, and voice: brava.uk.com/subscribe 00:00 Introduction to High Notes Podcast 00:33 Meet Lynn Franks: A Journey of Resilience and Leadership 01:20 Early Influences and Career Beginnings 02:49 Pioneering in PR and Fashion 05:17 Empowering Women's Voices 07:18 Creating Safe Spaces for Women 11:30 The Seed Handbook and Sustainable Business 15:17 Wise Leadership and Community Change 23:27 What Women Want Campaign 31:45 Final Thoughts and Words of Wisdom Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Leading with Wisdom: Voice, Visibility & Purpose - with Lynne Franks
  7. 12/01/2025

    Executive Presence: Power, Clarity and the Courage to Speak Up with Janey Lee Grace

    In this episode of High Notes, we sit down with legendary broadcaster, author, and coach Janey Lee Grace. From her days  on BBC Radio 2 with Steve Wright to her work as a coach in heart-centred communication, Janey shares the pivotal moments that shaped her journey. She opens up about her memoir From Wham to Woo, her path to sobriety, and the transformative power of living, and communicating, with authenticity. Together, we explore the art of meaningful connection: how preparation, presence, and joy can elevate your message and your work. Janey also reflects on the life-changing decision to quit alcohol, and how helping others discover their true voice has become her greatest passion. Tune in for a conversation full of warmth, wisdom, and inspiration. Links mentioned in the show: https://janeyleegrace.com/ Janey’s books - https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/432760.Janey_Lee_Grace The Sober Club Podcast - https://www.thesoberclub.com/podcast/ The Sober Diaries book by Clare Pooley https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36301974-the-sober-diaries What Women Want - https://www.whatwomenwantnow.co.uk/ Find out more about this campaign in the next episode! Ready to elevate your voice, confidence, and communication at work? Contact us at BRAVA Business and start making every conversation count: brava.uk.com/business Stay connected with BRAVA Subscribe to our newsletter for the latest news, training opportunities and insights connecting business, acting, and voice: brava.uk.com/subscribe 00:00 Introduction to High Notes Podcast 00:33 Meet Janie Lee Grace: Broadcaster, Author, and Coach 01:38 Janie's Early Years and Path to Radio 03:10 Lessons from BBC Radio with Steve Wright 05:29 The Art of Connection and Presence 06:53 Navigating Challenges and Finding Resilience 11:28 Writing a Memoir: From Wham to Woo 16:07 Empowering Others to Find Their Voice 19:58 Heart-Centred Communication in Business 23:23 The Power of Nonverbal Cues 24:15 Balancing Acting in Corporate Settings 24:42 Finding Your Authentic Business Voice 27:57 The Journey to Sobriety 36:09 Advice for Aspiring Public Speakers 38:50 Emerging Voices in Broadcasting and Coaching Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Executive Presence: Power, Clarity and the Courage to Speak Up with Janey Lee Grace
  8. 11/24/2025

    Influence & Impact: Owning your Voice in the Boardroom with Dr Rockford Sansom

    In this episode of High Notes, Melissa chats with Dr Rockford “Rocky” Sansom, a renowned voice coach and author, about the power and presence of the human voice. Together, they unpack how to manage nerves, why simplicity can transform communication, and how to make your voice truly resonate. Rocky shares practical, down-to-earth strategies for building vocal confidence, connecting with your audience, and thriving in high-pressure situations. The conversation also touches on being authentically yourself, understanding what matters to your listeners, and using effective vocal tools to enhance impact. They round out the discussion exploring cultural differences in communication, the evolution of voice science, and how emotion shapes the way we sound and connect. Links: https://www.rockfordsansom.com/ https://www.brava.uk.com/post/internationally-acclaimed-voice-coach-dr-rockford-sansom-joins-brava Why Should Anyone Be Led by You?: What It Takes To Be An Authentic Leader - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Should-Anyone-Led-You/dp/1578519713 https://historyofenglishpodcast.com/ Ready to elevate your voice, confidence, and communication at work? Contact us at BRAVA Business and start making every conversation count: brava.uk.com/business Stay connected with BRAVA Subscribe to our newsletter for the latest news, training opportunities and insights connecting business, acting, and voice: brava.uk.com/subscribe 00:00 Introduction to High Notes Podcast 00:33 Meet Dr Rockford Sansom: Voice Coach Extraordinaire 01:29 The Essence of Presence and Overcoming Nerves 03:29 Finding Your True Voice 06:48 Impact and Influence in Business Communication 07:12 The Power of Breath and Storytelling 09:59 Comfort in Being Seen: Lessons from Leaders 14:52 Voice Actors in Professional Settings 17:10 Dispelling Myths About Public Speaking 23:55 Voice Pedagogy: Teaching and Techniques 27:27 The Wine Cork Technique 28:39 Voice Science in Coaching 31:06 Voice Analysis and Training 34:24 Changing Voices and Science 37:36 Voice in the Boardroom 43:02 Cultural Differences in Voice 46:55 Joining BRAVA as a Master Coach 48:25 Improving Vocal Presence 50:16 A Transformative Coaching Story 53:36 The Dynamic Nature of Voice Work Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

    Influence & Impact: Owning your Voice in the Boardroom with Dr Rockford Sansom

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High Notes is a podcast featuring conversations on the art and business of voice, hosted by voice actor and BRAVA CEO, Melissa Thom. From Mongolian throat singing to vocal health, accents, gaming, and more, HIGH NOTES uncovers the craft behind the business. Brought to you by https://www.brava.uk.com/  Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.