Holding It Both Ways

A podcast for leaders holding paradox—humanity and strategy.

For leaders navigating the in-between—where inclusion, identity, and impact meet. Through real human stories and lived experience, each episode offers reflections and insights to help you lead with greater depth, courage, and care. fortlage.substack.com

  1. Communicating Belonging at Work, our guest Heera Rehman

    11/26/2025

    Communicating Belonging at Work, our guest Heera Rehman

    In this conversation, Cynthia speaks with tech founder Heera Rehman, who spent a decade leading internal communications for large, global companies before launching WorldTone AI. Together, they explore the heart of inclusive, people-first communication in rapidly shifting workplaces. Heera shares how aligning messaging with values builds trust, why diversity storytelling should not be seasonal, and how emerging technology can support rather than replace humanity in today’s leadership. From finding your voice as a communicator to building tools that elevate belonging, this episode offers practical insight for leaders and communicators who want to create messaging that respects people and reflects reality. Duration [TBC] Key Takeaways • Communication shapes culture long before strategies appear on paper.• Values are anchors for leaders and communicators during uncertainty.• Inclusion cannot rely only on big moments like International Women’s Day.• Technology can strengthen voice and clarity when used with purpose.• Accessible language builds trust and avoids unintentional exclusion.• Leaders must ask who is missing or unheard when they communicate. “Technology should amplify human connection, not replace it.” - Heera Rehman Guest Bio:Heera Rehman is a London-raised tech founder with more than ten years’ experience in global internal communications. She has led comms across multiple industries for workforces of over 10,000 employees. Heera founded WorldTone AI, a smart platform that helps organisations plan, draft, and measure inclusive, people-first communication that stays true to brand voice. Resources Mentioned • WorldTone AI website: https://www.worldtone.ai/ If you enjoyed this episode, follow the show, leave a review, and share with someone shaping workplace culture. Connect with Cynthia on LinkedIn and explore WorldTone AI to elevate inclusive communication in your organisation. #AcceptanceWithoutUnderstanding #InclusiveLeadership #InternalCommunications #AIForGood Get full access to FORTLAGE Collective: Insights on Inclusive Leadership at fortlage.substack.com/subscribe

    50 min
  2. If we practised emotional intelligence like a skill, what would change at work? Our guest Amanda Davie

    11/12/2025

    If we practised emotional intelligence like a skill, what would change at work? Our guest Amanda Davie

    In this episode, Amanda Davie and Cynthia get specific about treating emotional intelligence as a skill you practise, not a trait you either have or lack. We talk about coaching moves any leader can use this week, the inclusive norms that make collaboration work, and how communities accelerate careers. Amanda shares lessons from co‑leading Equal Talent, building She Has No Limits, and coaching inside high‑growth, high‑pressure environments. Cynthia layers in Acceptance Without Understanding and the 4P Catalyst Framework to turn values into daily behaviours. You will leave with simple rituals for meetings, feedback, and decisions that grow trust and results. Key Takeaways * Emotional intelligence is trainable. Practise it through check‑ins, clean questions, and thoughtful closures. * Inclusion shows up in repeatable norms: how we meet, decide, and follow up. * Coaching skills for leaders: listen with curiosity, ask one clean question, and agree on one clear next step. * Community compounds growth. Mentors, peer circles, and alumni spaces create belonging and momentum. * Do not fix women, fix systems. Remove bias, increase access, and design support that makes progress possible. Guest Bio Amanda Davie is an executive and leadership coach, consultant, and co‑CEO of Equal Talent, specialising in developing emotionally intelligent, inclusive, and collaborative leaders and cultures. A former digital media entrepreneur and founder, she now works with global organisations, start‑ups, and communities to make the world of work fairer, more inclusive, and more rewarding for everyone. What you will learn: * How to practise emotional intelligence in everyday leadership * Simple meeting rituals, decision clarity, and feedback habits * One‑question coaching moves that any manager can use * How communities like She Has No Limits accelerate careers Resources Mentioned * Equal Talent — coaching company co‑led by Amanda * EqualTalent.com * She Has No Limits — community for professional women * https://www.linkedin.com/groups/13058022/ * The Coach House — coach training faculty * https://thecoachhouse.ltd/ Leaders who want to explore mentoring and culture change, book time with Cynthia: https://calendly.com/cynthiafortlage/30min. Get full access to FORTLAGE Collective: Insights on Inclusive Leadership at fortlage.substack.com/subscribe

    54 min
  3. If Not Now, When? Clarity, Courage & Simple Systems with Jeanne Omlor

    10/02/2025

    If Not Now, When? Clarity, Courage & Simple Systems with Jeanne Omlor

    Jeanne Omlor joins Cynthia for a straight‑talk conversation about moving from hesitation to action. We explore how to build a values‑aligned business (or team) by choosing clarity over complexity, getting crystal‑clear on the offer, who it serves, and the result it creates—and then using simple, repeatable systems you will actually stick to. Jeanne shares candid lessons from building online after previous offline success, the mindset shift behind her mantra “if not now, when?”, and why service‑led selling beats performative hustle. You will leave with practical prompts to make decisions faster, reduce friction in your workflow, and lead with courage instead of delay. Key Takeaways -Clarity before complexity: define your offer, audience, and promised result. - Decision beats delay: small, consistent actions outpace waiting for perfect conditions. - Keep systems simple: use tools and rhythms you will actually maintain. - Lead with service: ethical, value‑driven selling builds trust and results. - Stories > slogans: real client outcomes anchor credibility. - Courage is a practice: notice fear, act anyway, and iterate. “If not now, when?” — Jeanne Omlor Guest Bio: Jeanne Omlor is a Business Strategist, multi 7-Figure Online Business Coach, and Certified Servant Leadership Executive Coach. At 54 years old, she was a solo parent in deep debt and got herself online and to $1M in 17 months, without ads, and has since scaled to multi-millions in 5 years. Her company has helped almost 600 businesses to thrive online. She is emotionally connected to helping others prosper, as she lived in lack for years and overcame that mindset. She is now helping as many people as she can to maximise profits and reach their full potential while being the visionary they're destined to be https://jeanneomlor.com/reviews/https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeanneomlorhttps://www.facebook.com/jeanneomlor/ Cynthia: Cynthia Fortlage (she/her) is a C-suite executive turned global inclusion and leadership advisor, speaker, and writer. She has delivered 500+ engagements across 30+ countries and partners with organisations to embed inclusive leadership, psychological safety, and practical culture change. Her work blends data, strategy, and lived experience as a trans woman to equip leaders with usable tools, not slogans. Cynthia hosts the podcast Holding It Both Ways and leads The FORTLAGE Collective, offering keynotes, mentoring, and advisory support on culture, inclusion, and change. www.cynthiafortlage.com LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/cfortlage Substack (Holding It Both Ways). https://fortlage.substack.com Podcast feed:Apple - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/holding-it-both-ways/id1827477002 Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/1ux7IIJ5b3TwAJfNRNEnlv YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsRnX1k-_AfPsVN9ZZO2m_5y589ogeF5u Share this with a founder or leader who is stuck in “waiting for perfect.” Want help turning values into practice? Book time with Cynthia: https://calendly.com/cynthiafortlage/30min. Subscribe and leave a short review—it really helps others find the show. Get full access to FORTLAGE Collective: Insights on Inclusive Leadership at fortlage.substack.com/subscribe

    45 min
  4. Small Teams, Big Culture — Leading Well in SMEs (with Heather McDaniel)

    09/18/2025

    Small Teams, Big Culture — Leading Well in SMEs (with Heather McDaniel)

    SMEs run hot: fewer people, faster decisions, and almost no safety net. In this conversation, Heather McDaniel shares how small and medium enterprises can build strong cultures without big‑company budgets. We explore the realities of “trial‑by‑fire” leadership, what to do when training is thin, and how deep listening and clear practices create psychological safety on small teams. Heather traces her journey from the U.S. to Spain and why she founded the Life Love Leadership Project, plus a client story that shows culture change in action. Leaders will leave with practical ways to steady teams in uncertainty, replace performative overwork with presence, and embed inclusive habits that scale. Key Takeaways SMEs have unique constraints—design lightweight practices that fit reality, not theory. Without formal training, leaders learn in real time; give them simple tools and peer support. Deep listening is a leadership practice: it builds trust, clarity, and better decisions. Safety nets matter in small teams—norms and check‑ins reduce reactivity and burnout. Inclusion scales through habits (how we meet, decide, and follow up), not slogans. Founder/owner context shapes culture—name it, then build shared leadership. “Leaders tend to learn trial‑by‑fire—real time, without a safety net.” — Heather McDaniel About Heather McDaniel: Heather McDaniel is the founder of the Life Love Leadership Project and a keynote speaker, facilitator, and writer whose work sits at the intersection of leadership, resilience, and transformation. She’s spent her career helping people and organisations navigate change from the inside out through presence and the courage to lead themselves first.Heather specialises in working with small and medium-sized enterprises, where leadership decisions ripple quickly through culture and performance. She brings a deeply human lens to her work, shaped by her own journey of rebuilding abroad in Valencia, Spain, and her conviction that real leadership is less about control and more about creating the conditions where people can thrive.Her signature framework, the REBEL Method, guides leaders through reflection, breaking old patterns, and evolving into values-led leadership. Whether in workshops, retreats, or keynotes, Heather is committed to helping leaders hold steady in uncertain times and build futures rooted in integrity, resilience, and joy. Contact Heather: email: heather@heathermcdaniel.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/heathermcdanielcreative About Cynthia Fortlage: Cynthia Fortlage (she/her) is a C-suite executive turned global inclusion and leadership advisor, speaker, and writer. She has delivered 500+ engagements across 30+ countries and partners with organisations to embed inclusive leadership, psychological safety, and practical culture change. Her work blends data, strategy, and lived experience as a trans woman to equip leaders with usable tools, not slogans. Cynthia hosts the podcast Holding It Both Ways and leads The FORTLAGE Collective, offering keynotes, mentoring, and advisory support on culture, inclusion, and change. LinksWebsite: www.cynthiafortlage.comBooking: https://calendly.com/cynthiafortlage/30minLinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/cfortlage Get full access to FORTLAGE Collective: Insights on Inclusive Leadership at fortlage.substack.com/subscribe

    42 min
  5. Beyond the Good Girl: Working Mothers, Burnout & the Bias Traps

    09/03/2025

    Beyond the Good Girl: Working Mothers, Burnout & the Bias Traps

    Gifty Enright joins Cynthia to get practical about the real pressures facing working mothers—and what leaders can do beyond platitudes. We unpack why parents are the most stressed demographic, how the “good girl” social script and performance bias stack the deck against women, and why meritocracy often micro‑analyses women while macro‑analysing men. Gifty shares lessons from her own burnout and from her book, Octopus on a Treadmill, offering usable ideas for cultivating presence (not just more hours), setting boundaries, and driving culture change. We also touch on intersectionality, from being a Black woman and an immigrant to navigating care burdens and the challenges of the sandwich generation. If you lead teams with caregivers—or you are one—this episode gives you language, tools, and next steps to build healthier, more inclusive ways of working. Show Quotes * “Parents are the most stressed‑out demographic.” — Gifty Enright * “Women are micro‑analysed; men are macro‑analysed.” — Cynthia Fortlage * “Performance bias assumes he knows what he’s doing; she has to prove it.” — Gifty Enright * “If you’re there, you’re there—presence over quantity.” — Gifty Enright * “As women, we are at the centre of everything.” — Gifty Enright Key Takeaways * Parents—especially mothers—carry compounded stress loads; design work with that reality in mind. * Performance bias means men are often assumed competent while women must prove it; fix systems, not just confidence. * Meritocracy myth: women are micro‑analysed and penalised for style while men are judged on outcomes. * Presence beats quantity: being fully there matters more than being everywhere. Set boundaries that protect energy. * Intersectionality is additive: gender + race + motherhood + migration can compound barriers; policy must reflect that complexity. * The sandwich generation is real. Flexibility and caregiver‑support policies are business‑critical retention tools. Guest Bio Gifty Enright is a keynote speaker, author of Octopus on a Treadmill, and a leadership coach specialising in working mothers and inclusive cultures. Drawing on her corporate career and lived experience of burnout, she helps organisations reduce stress, tackle bias, and create workplaces where women—and everyone—can thrive. Resources Mentioned * Octopus on a Treadmill — by Gifty Enright * The Gender Bias Traps (corporate workshop) — by Gifty Enright Links * Guest: https://giftyenright.com * https://www.linkedin.com/in/giftyenright/ * Cynthia: www.cynthiafortlage.com * https://linkedin.com/in/cfortlage * Substack (Holding It Both Ways): https://fortlage.substack.com * Podcast feed Call to Action * Share this with a leader of caregivers—or a working parent who needs backing. * Leaders exploring inclusive leadership and culture change can book time with Cynthia: https://calendly.com/cynthiafortlage/30min. * Subscribe and leave a short review—it really helps others find the show. Get full access to FORTLAGE Collective: Insights on Inclusive Leadership at fortlage.substack.com/subscribe

    38 min
  6. The Courage to Rethink Power – with Natascha Radclyffe-Thomas

    09/02/2025

    The Courage to Rethink Power – with Natascha Radclyffe-Thomas

    In this episode of Gender Equity Rebels, Cynthia Fortlage sits down with Professor Natascha Radclyffe-Thomas to explore the intersections of gender, power, privilege, and purpose within the global fashion industry. As a seasoned academic, a social impact leader, and the first UK winner of the prestigious Fashion Education Award from the Council of Fashion Designers of America (CFDA), Natascha brings clarity and courage to a topic that too often shies away from complexity. The conversation weaves through her own leadership journey and the pivotal moments where she chose to challenge accepted narratives of success. They discuss how the fashion industry both reflects and shapes cultural power dynamics, and how sustainability isn't just about the environment — it's about ethics, equity, and inclusion too. What emerges is a reflection on how we lead, what we reward, and why rethinking power begins with reimagining our roles in systems we often take for granted. Topics covered include: * Why Natascha doesn’t believe in individual heroes—and what she believes in instead * What sustainable fashion has to teach other industries about values and visibility * How gender and privilege operate in invisible ways in leadership * The tension between being seen and being safe * What it means to lead with joy and not just grind About Natascha Radclyffe-Thomas: Professor Natascha Radclyffe-Thomas is a global expert in sustainable fashion business and a leading voice in reimagining purpose-driven education. She is a co-author of Fashion Management: A Strategic Approach and serves as the UK Chair of the PRME (Principles for Responsible Management Education) Fashion Taskforce. Natascha is also the recipient of the Mark Arthur Bright Award for her work on fashion and sustainability, and co-hosts the podcast Circular with Katie and Natascha. A few quotes to carry with you: "Power is about visibility—who gets seen, and how." "Sustainability without inclusion isn't sustainability." "We often want to be brave without being vulnerable. But the truth is, real change comes from both." "Sometimes we wear the uniform of leadership before we’ve earned the belonging." Transcript:For accessibility, a full transcript is available directly on the YouTube video page. #GenderEquityRebels #SustainableFashion #InclusionMatters #AcceptanceWithoutUnderstanding Get full access to FORTLAGE Collective: Insights on Inclusive Leadership at fortlage.substack.com/subscribe

    48 min
  7. When Equal Isn’t Enough – with Emily

    08/26/2025

    When Equal Isn’t Enough – with Emily

    In this final episode of the Gender Equity Rebels series, Cynthia Fortlage sits down with Emily Button-Ham, founder of Emily Button Coaching, to discuss the reality behind Pay Gap Day in the UK (15 November 2023). What begins as a conversation about the numbers quickly becomes something more deeply human. Emily shares her professional insights and personal reflections on what it means to navigate workplace systems that still undervalue women. The two discuss confidence, reconditioning, pay transparency, and the cumulative impact of inequity across a woman’s career journey. Cynthia adds powerful perspective from her own experience living and leading with two genders' worth of insight, making this a nuanced and emotionally resonant conversation. They explore why a 0.1% reduction in the gender pay gap is not progress—it's an indictment. And they highlight the emotional cost of inequity, especially when companies plateau at targets rather than pursue real culture change. Cynthia also reflects on the socialised ways women are conditioned to lead and how unlearning these patterns is part of reclaiming confidence and space. The episode closes with a reminder that asking questions and demanding more from ourselves and our workplaces is where real change begins. 🎧 Key Themes * The truth behind Pay Gap Day in the UK and Europe * Confidence, power, and the impact of gender socialisation * Why small tweaks can lead to big transformations * The tension between legislation and lived experience * The broken rung and the cost of early career inequity * Mentorship, maternity bias, and the ripple effect of awareness #GenderEquityRebels #PayGapDay #AcceptanceWithoutUnderstanding 📄 TranscriptA full transcript is available on the YouTube video page to support accessibility. Get full access to FORTLAGE Collective: Insights on Inclusive Leadership at fortlage.substack.com/subscribe

    17 min

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For leaders navigating the in-between—where inclusion, identity, and impact meet. Through real human stories and lived experience, each episode offers reflections and insights to help you lead with greater depth, courage, and care. fortlage.substack.com