Human & Holy

Tonia Chazanow

Honest, spiritual conversations to unravel the essence of the human experience. Exploring Jewish & Chassidic wisdom, women's Torah, and the lived experience of Judaism. Hosted by Tonia Chazanow. Learn more about Human & Holy's work at humanandholy.com. 

  1. It Already Belongs to You | Annie Nagel & Hadassah Shemtov on Women's Torah Study

    4D AGO

    It Already Belongs to You | Annie Nagel & Hadassah Shemtov on Women's Torah Study

    Does the Torah belong to every woman? This week, I host a roundtable with two women who've built their lives around Torah: Annie Nagel, who left a thriving law career for the classroom and a PhD in Tanakh, and Hadassah Shemtov, founder of Batsheva Learning Center. We trace the halachic sources on women's Torah study, where the historic hesitation came from, and the Lubavitcher Rebbe's radical reframe: that women's learning isn't damage control, but the direction history was always moving towards. We also talk about the practical experience of Torah study for women: How do you keep Torah alive when you're working eighty hours a week with three babies? What does learning look like in a season when deep scholarship simply isn't possible? And what would it take for the next generation of girls to believe, without question, that no Jewish book on the shelf is off-limits to them? EPISODE SPONSOR: This week's episode was sponsored by a woman who wants to empower other women to learn and take ownership of their birthright within Torah. * * * * * * Hadassah Shemtov is the founding director of Batsheva Learning Center, an organization that offers text-based Torah learning opportunities for women. She runs a chavrusa-based track at Ohel Chana High School and is the junior Rebbetzin at Young Israel of Los Angeles. Annie Nagel is a PhD candidate at the Bernard Revel Graduate School of Jewish Studies and teaches Chumash at YULA Girls High School. She holds a JD from UCLA School of Law and practiced real estate law in Los Angeles. * * * * * * To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at info@humanandholy.com To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor. Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨ Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts. * * * * * * * TIMESTAMPS: 00:00 "The Torah belongs to every woman" — who this episode is for 02:19 Annie's story: from law to a classroom and a PhD in Tanakh 04:42 Hadassah's story: the year in Israel that set her trajectory 07:32 "I'm not making the time I want to for my own learning" 09:26 What the pivot cost Annie: trade-offs and peers making partner 13:55 Framing the sources: were we all really at Sinai? 16:07 The halacha, plainly: are women obligated in Torah study? 21:33 Why the hesitation was about an era, not about women's minds 22:03 Moshe waits a day: Hashem holds back the Shechinah until every woman is there 24:14 Do women feel the Torah is theirs? 28:03 How Annie kept Torah alive when life was consuming 33:08 The Lubavitcher Rebbe's reframe: not a concession to the times, but the trajectory toward Moshiach 38:19 The common language of the house is Torah 42:54 The "living Torah" — when your whole life is already an offering 47:00 "Listen to what stirs your neshama" — Torah study without pressure or guilt 50:01 Why reading it yourself is irreplaceable 53:35 What would it take for the next generation to know the Torah is theirs? 54:08 Ending the split between text and hashkafa 58:00 "No sefer on the shelf is off-limits to you" 01:00:13 Rapid fire: one text to start with, the woman who lost her practice, where to begin from zero 01:06:18 One message, soul to soul 01:07:00 Closing

    1h 8m
  2. To Be Both a Traveler and at Home: Receiving the Torah

    MAY 17

    To Be Both a Traveler and at Home: Receiving the Torah

    What does it mean to be both a stranger and at home in your Judaism? To be deeply connected to your faith and still feel othered from a piece of your own practice? This week, in honor of Shavuos, we sit with a Talmudic dispute between Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Yishmael about how the Jewish people received the Torah at Sinai, and the much bigger question underneath it. What does it mean to be completely at home in your Judaism, swept up in it like one unifying truth? And what does it mean to be a traveler in it, seeing each piece of it on its own terms? A conversation about Sinai, sight and sound, the hedgehog and the fox, receiving the Torah as both a homecoming and an invitation to the road, and what to do when you feel like a stranger within your own Jewish self. This episode is dedicated in honor of Reuven Morrison hy"d, killed in the Bondi terror attack on Chanukah. May his memory be a blessing, and may his life continue to inspire Jews to live openly and proudly as themselves. * * * * * * * To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at info@humanandholy.com To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor. Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨ Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts. * * * * * * * TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Welcome, and a Shavuos teaching on receiving the Torah 1:30 Preview: next Sunday's roundtable on women's Torah study 2:45 Dedication: Reuven Morrison hy"d 5:00 A joke the Lubavitcher Rebbe told: what is Judaism? 6:30 The question underneath the joke: general vs. particular 7:30 The first luchos vs. the second 8:30 Rabbi Akiva and Rabbi Yishmael on how the Oral Torah was given 10:00 "They saw the thunder, they heard the lightning" — the verse at Sinai 11:00 Synesthesia, Beethoven, and scrambled senses 12:30 Sight vs. sound: the whole first, or the details first? 14:30 The Alter Rebbe and his grandson — who is Zaideh? 17:00 Isaiah Berlin's The Hedgehog and the Fox 18:30 Two temperaments, two ways of meeting the world 20:00 Returning to R' Akiva and R' Yishmael through this frame 21:30 Why they each had a different orientation 23:00 Back to the joke: Shabbos within Judaism vs. Shabbos as itself 24:00 A relationship has a story, but it also has its moments 25:30 Home vs. traveling, and why we see the details when we travel 27:00 Areas of our Judaism where we feel at home, and areas where we feel like strangers 28:30 Allow yourself to be a stranger in your own life 29:30 Receiving both the panorama and the particulars 30:30 What I'm taking with me into Shavuos

    30 min
  3. Why Rest Doesn't Cure Burnout: A Conversation with My Friend, Zisi Zirkind

    MAY 10

    Why Rest Doesn't Cure Burnout: A Conversation with My Friend, Zisi Zirkind

    Today, I sit down with my friend, Zisi Zirkind for an unscripted conversation about burnout, motherhood, faith, friendship, and the holy delusion of believing your soul is needed in this world. This isn't an interview; it's a conversation between two close friends. We talk about why it's not always doing less that restores our energy, the undervaluing of women's work and how we each experience meaning in our homes, why faith doesn't have to be rigid to be strong, how we hold paradox in every identity, and how friendship can help us each remember who we are. Zisi Zirkind is the Rebbetzin of Yeshiva Center in Melbourne, teaches Chassidus through her weekly women’s Torah classes, teaches guided research classes at Ohel Chana Seminary, and is the host of the podcast Standing Between Earth and Sky. Find her podcast here: https://open.spotify.com/show/0EOKqR8gwDDnEEvq7W02z3?si=0c228c7fbde34a5f Contact her at zisiwolf@gmail.com. * * * * * * * To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at info@humanandholy.com To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor. Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨ Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts. * * * * * * * TIMESTAMPS: 00:00:00 Host's Intro: A Conversation Between Friends 00:02:25 Welcome Zisi Zirkind 00:02:50 Springboarding ideas as a way of bridging the human and holy 00:04:01 How much do I trust myself? 00:04:53 When you're taking a leap 00:05:19 A friend who can see you clearly 00:06:14 Sustained creative devotion is supported by a witness 00:08:14 Why sharing an idea forces it to become real 00:10:10 Is this my animal soul or my divine soul? 00:11:41 Delusion of separateness vs. delusion of holiness 00:12:54 Does what I do matter? 00:14:28 Burnout happens when you're not lit up by what you're doing 00:14:41 What will actually energize you? 00:17:06 Busy but not doing the right things 00:17:36 The Rebbe's "add another one" — what was he actually saying? 00:18:27 Showing up before the energy comes 00:20:27 The seductive permission to wallow 00:21:50 "I had to make a choice that I'm going to love my life again" 00:22:08 Hosting vs. being hosted — what really makes a place yours 00:24:08 Dissolution of self prepares you to rise 00:24:50 When to add, and when you need more support 00:25:42 Delegating what depletes you -- "I'm sick of cleaning" 00:27:10 Excellence and pride in the work nobody sees 00:27:55 Bringing the same creativity to home life 00:28:35 Why the years that look like pause are often the years that change you 00:31:51 Bringing your full self into your home 00:32:29 Letting yourself enjoy what you didn't think was "you" — dropping the identity attachment 00:33:43 Paradox: when opposing realities exist at once 00:35:17 Teaching style: opening to the text vs. filing it into systems 00:38:05 Tanya's permission for multiple parts of self to coexist 00:38:08 Trusting that Torah's truth can hold your questions 00:38:39 After the Bondi terror attack: "Faith doesn't have to be rigid to be strong" 00:41:51 Faith from intuition, not intellect 00:42:35 Why paradox can only be experienced 00:43:02 Faith as identity: "I'm here. This is who I am." 00:44:34 The ego in Torah study, and what it costs us 00:45:50 The never-ending process 00:47:38 Host's Outro

    48 min
  4. Loved Into Existence: A Soulful Guide to Sefiras Ha'Omer | Chana Kalmenson

    MAY 3

    Loved Into Existence: A Soulful Guide to Sefiras Ha'Omer | Chana Kalmenson

    A conversation with Chana Kalmenson: shlucha of Chabad of Belgravia in London, poet, and teacher of Jewish mysticism, on the Sefirot of the Omer. Chana walks through each of the seven emotional Sefirot: Chesed, Gevurah, Tiferet, Netzach, Hod, Yesod, and Malchut. What each one is, how they relate to each other, and how they show up in everyday emotional life. The episode also covers how the months of Nissan, Iyar, and Sivan mirror human development from childhood to maturity, why the inner work of the Omer is what prepares us to receive the Torah at Sinai, and how to approach the counting without falling into perfectionism. The conversation goes especially deep on three Sefirot: Hod (humility, gratitude, surrender), Tiferet (compassion, holding paradox, the antidote to shame), and Malchut (dignity, agency, authentic expression). Chana shares what she learned about humility from her father-in-law, the Chassidic teaching on the soul's forgetting at birth, and how to step out of comparison with others. A grounded, accessible introduction to the Sefirot for anyone counting the Omer or wanting to understand the Kabbalistic map of the inner life. * * * * * * * To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at info@humanandholy.com To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor. Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨ Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts. * * * * * * * TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 Opening reflection: loved into existence, loving me as me 00:31 Tonia's Intro 01:58 Welcome, and Chana on women's circles 05:25 What is Sefirat HaOmer, really? Pesach as emergence, Sinai as the destination 11:38 Nissan, Iyar, Sivan — the child, the teenager, the partner 17:45 Walking through each Sefirah: Chesed, Gevurah, Tiferet, Netzach, Hod, Yesod, Malchut 22:10 Why we use consciousness to look at the inner emotional life 29:17 When perfectionism hijacks the practice (and what to do instead) 33:03 On Hod: humility, gratitude, the quiet power of the left leg 40:33 What Chana learned from her father-in-law about humility 46:10 The trauma of forgetting at birth, and the long work of remembering 50:37 On Tiferet: holding paradox, growing up, why compassion is truth 56:09 Self-compassion as the antidote to shame 1:00:14 On Malchut: dignity, agency, and what emerges when everything inside has a voice 1:09:33 Soul to soul

    1h 13m
  5. The Biblical Power of Israeli Women's Song | Ricka Razel

    MAR 22

    The Biblical Power of Israeli Women's Song | Ricka Razel

    Meet Ricka Razel, the Israeli musician who has been leading thousands of women in monthly Rosh Chodesh gatherings across Israel during one of the country's darkest times. In this conversation, Ricka shares how she experiences music as prayer, why she and fellow musicians became the "Brigade of Joy" visiting evacuated families in hotels, how music became therapeutic catharsis for Israeli women processing trauma, and how it can connect Jews from around the world. Listen to Ricka's music here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCc5vxWffKI_5qf8mhtYG0Ng https://open.spotify.com/artist/6aZPpCSaYpDLkk4nfOESdz?si=iBbP7LRVT2alZ8Ylbjbl4A Find her on instagram @ricka_razel * * * * * * * Join our upcoming virtual Tanya class! We will be hosting a live, four part Tanya series, a space to explore the text through shared study, poetry, curated illustrations, songs, and guided reflection. Link to join us here: https://humanandholy.mykajabi.com/tanyaclass * * * * * * * To inquire about sponsorship & advertising opportunities, please email us at info@humanandholy.com To support our work, visit humanandholy.com/sponsor. Find us on Instagram @humanandholy & subscribe to our channel to stay up to date on all our upcoming conversations ✨ Human & Holy podcast is available on all podcast streaming platforms. New episodes every Sunday & Wednesday on YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Google Podcasts. * * * * * * * TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Opening 0:47 - Introduction to Ricka Razel & Israel Series 2:22 - Family, Music & 8 Kids 3:58 - Why Rosh Chodesh is the Women's Holiday 5:41 - The War Experience: Nova Festival, Evacuations & Loss 7:34 - The Power of Music During War 9:35 - The "Brigade of Simcha" - Bringing Joy to Hotels 12:29 - Sitting Shiva in a Hotel: Meeting a 24-Year-Old Widow 14:45 - Holocaust Survivor Grandparents: 2.5 Years in Amsterdam Attic 17:20 - The Miracle: How They Survived 19:15 - Why Ricka Returned to Music at 42 21:30 - From Real Estate to Crave Restaurant to Music 23:45 - The Biblical Energy of Women's Song 25:10 - Miriam the Prophetess Leading Through Music 27:00 - Monthly Gatherings: 600 Women Singing in Jerusalem 29:20 - The Therapeutic Power of Song During Trauma 31:40 - Women Who Couldn't Cry Until They Sang 33:15 - The Nova Festival Tragedy in Her Community 35:00 - Young People in the Army: Every Day Hearing News 36:45 - Funerals, Missiles, and Living Through War 38:20 - The Song That Became October 7th's Anthem 39:49 - "Achenu Kol Beit Yisrael" - Prayer for Captives 41:10 - The Concert That Didn't Happen on October 7th 42:49 - Jewish Family Connection: What Makes Us Different 43:36 - Israeli vs. American Jewish Music: Bridging the Gap 44:05 - Contemporary Jewish Artists 44:24 - "Still I Wait" - Song of Hope During War 44:33 - Closing Message: Bring Your Light to the World 45:27 - Outro

    45 min
4.9
out of 5
293 Ratings

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Honest, spiritual conversations to unravel the essence of the human experience. Exploring Jewish & Chassidic wisdom, women's Torah, and the lived experience of Judaism. Hosted by Tonia Chazanow. Learn more about Human & Holy's work at humanandholy.com. 

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