A Public Affair

Douglas Haynes, Ali Muldrow, Carousel Bayrd, Allen Ruff, & Esty Dinur

Listener Sponsored Community Radio in Madison, WI

  1. 1H AGO

    What One Family Farm Reveals about the American Food Industry

    On today’s show, guest host Patty Peltekos is in conversation with John Seabrook about his new book, The Spinach King: The Rise and Fall of an American Dynasty. Blending public and personal history, Seabrook uncovers the dark secrets of his family’s business and learns that the heroic capitalist family narrative he grew up on wasn’t true. It’s a story about fathers and sons, changing social realities in the US, and a cautionary tale of what happens when a founder can’t let go. Seabrook’s grandfather founded their farm in a fertile region of New Jersey after immigrating from England. The world wars drove Seabrook Farm’s industrial output, especially the Second World War that helped convince consumers to accept frozen vegetables. The success of the business was also fueled by the founder’s “empire building dreams.” In his research, Seabrook traced severe conflicts between his father and grandfather. His grandfather fought unions and kept women and African Americans from advancing in the company, whereas his father supported the first farmworkers union in the East, integrated the plant, and allowed women to become executives. Seabrook says that if our world was still run by men like his grandfather, “the world would be a much less prosperous place.” They also discuss the farmers’ successful labor strike in 1934 to protest for fair treatment of Black workers and his grandfather’s attempts at acting like an aristocrat. Comparing the issues of food security then and now, Seabrook says that the family farm as a source of American identity is disappearing. John Seabrook has been a staff writer at The New Yorker for more than three decades. He is the author of The Song Machine, Flash of Genius, Nobrow and other books. The film ​“Flash of Genius” was based on one of his stories. He and his family live in Brooklyn. Featured image of the cover of The Spinach King: The Rise and Fall of an American Dynasty. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post What One Family Farm Reveals about the American Food Industry appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    52 min
  2. 1D AGO

    Theater for Every Body at Encore Studio

    On today’s show, host Dana Pellebon is in conversation with Jessica Jane Witham of Encore Studio for the Performing Arts about their original productions and the work of hiring and supporting actors with disabilities. Encore was founded in 2000 with the goal to put people in artistic spaces who aren’t traditionally given access to them.  Witham got her start in the burlesque community in Madison. She organized the Peach Pies “caburlesque” shows that shifted focus from the male gaze and included a roster of multiracial and disabled performers. Now at Encore, Witham works to center actors with disabilities in a society where it’s too easy not to listen to people with disabilities. Witham says that it’s important to acknowledge that stories look different with different bodies. She also discusses their current production and previews what is coming down the road. Encore Studio for the Performing Arts is Wisconsin’s first professional theatre company for people with disabilities, and is one of the very few (6) in the United States. Encore offers an innovative, inclusive, and professional environment where all people work together in the pursuit of artistic and theatrical excellence. With a troupe of 20 actors and 6 staff, Encore has produced 50+ original works to date, with many more to come. Jessica Jane Witham (she/her/hers) is an arts administrator, disability rights advocate, producer, director, performer and educator. Jessica is also the Managing and Program Director of Encore Studio for the Performing Arts.      Featured image of Dana Pellebon and Jessica Jane Witham courtesy of Sara Gabler/WORT. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Theater for Every Body at Encore Studio appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    53 min
  3. 2D AGO

    Trump’s Combative Relationship with American Business

    On today’s show, guest host Michael Billeaux is in conversation with Paul Heideman about his new book from Verso Press, Rogue Elephant: How Republicans Went From the Party of Business to the Party of Chaos, in which Heideman offers a distinctive explanation of the radicalization of the Republican Party and the rise of Donald Trump.  Heideman’s argument differs from other narratives of Trump’s ascendance because he focuses on a contradiction: that the Republican Party under Trump has exhibited an increasing combative and conflictual relationship with American business, epitomized in the contrast between Joseph McCarthy and Donald Trump’s relationship to big business. The Republican Party has “gone rogue” because of the degree of Trump’s dominance. He’s successfully subordinated the will of the GOP to his own whims, says Heideman.  Heideman says that Trump is the only thing keeping the Republican party together. Even though there are deep divisions between the Tea Party wing and the traditional wing of the Republican Party, Trump has eliminated any serious ideological conversations in the party. None of this translates into good governance. As Heideman says, the most important quality to Trump is loyalty, not competence.  They also talk about the disorganization of the capitalist class, why the two-party system has counter-intuitively created two weak political parties, the Tea Party’s rebrand of the Republican Party, and the influence of Newt Gingrich.  Paul Heideman holds a PhD in American Studies from Rutgers University-Newark, and his writings have appeared in publications such as Dissent, In These Times, and Jacobin Magazine, and he works as a history teacher in New York City. Featured image of the cover Rogue Elephant: How Republicans Went From the Party of Business to the Party of Chaos. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Trump’s Combative Relationship with American Business appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    54 min
  4. 5D AGO

    Fishing Isn’t an Industry, It’s a Lifeway

    This month, the US District Court Judge William Conley issued a restraining order against the Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa following a tribal decision to close walleye and musky fishing for non-tribal members on some of their lakes. To talk about this decision and the state of Wisconsin’s lawsuit against the tribe, host Esty Dinur is joined by three guests, Araia Breedlove, Gwen Leaffe Carr, Eric Chapman Sr. The decision to restrict fishing on 19 of the tribe’s most heavily fished lakes was made by Lac du Flambeau fish hatchery managers. Breedlove calls this a conservation effort and says the fish hatchery determined that restrictions were necessary in order to steward the health of the fish in these waters. There is precedent for this effort; back in 2022, the tribe closed Flambeau Lake to everyone, and when the lake reopened to fishing three years later, the walleye had rebounded. Chapman also attests that the tribe retains the management authority of the lakes.  They also discuss the long history of intergovernmental relations between the Lac du Flambeau tribe and other native nations with the state of Wisconsin, including the time of the “walleye wars.” Carr says that tribes have jurisdiction over fishing and hunting from their treaty rights. She says there has been problems in inter-governmental affairs in the state of Wisconsin, which could be mitigated by creating intergovernmental agreements and putting more native people in state government.  Waabinookwe/Araia Breedlove is a proud member of the Waaswaaganing community and the Public Relations Director of the Lac du Flambeau Tribe. She studied at the University of Minnesota and graduated with a journalism degree.   Eric Chapman Sr. is an enrolled member of the Waswaagoning Ojibwe, also known as the Lac du Flambeau Band of Lake Superior Chippewa Indians, located in northern Wisconsin. Eric is retired after working for the Lac du Flambeau Tribe for 33 years in the natural resource field, first as project workman, then as a conservation warden and eventually as the chief conservation warden for 25 years. He has also held the positions of emergency management coordinator, climate resilience initiative project director and manoomin (wildrice) enhancement program manager. Eric has been privileged to serve his community as a Tribal Council Member for 12 years and formerly served as a representative to the Voigt Inter-Tribal Task Force with the Great Lakes Indian Fish and Wildlife Commission. He is an active hunter, fisherman and gatherer of the four seasons, relying on practices handed down from generations, while acknowledging the gifts our spirit relatives offer. Gwen Leaffe Carr is an Indigenous leader, strategist, speaker, and artist with more than three decades of experience in Tribal sovereignty, public policy, democratic participation, and intergovernmental relations. A citizen of the Cayuga Nation of the Haudenosaunee Confederacy and a member of the Heron Clan, she spent more than twenty years working closely with Tribal Nations, elected officials, and communities throughout Wisconsin. At the Wisconsin Department of Transportation, Gwen founded the first Office of Tribal Affairs,  developed the first statewide Tribal Partnership Agreement among the Governor, the Secretary of Transportation, and Wisconsin Tribal leaders — and helped establish the state’s first Tribal Historic Preservation policy, written by Tribal Historic Preservation Officers and embedded into DOT policy. Gwen later served as Outreach and Oversight Specialist for the $2 billion US 41 transportation project in northeastern Wisconsin, recognized as one of the largest Native-designed, engineered, and constructed projects in the United States. Nationally, Gwen served in the White House Office of Intergovernmental Affairs, authored the first White House Report on Urban Indians, and became the first National Political Director for American Indians at the Democratic National Committee, where she founded the Native American Caucus and helped advance Tribal sovereignty in national political platforms. Gwen held a variety of political positions and she remains deeply connected to Wisconsin and its people and continues her work in Indigenous leadership, governance, storytelling, and the arts. Featured image of a fishing landing along the Turtle-Flambeau Flowage via Wikimedia Commons (CC BY-SA 3.0’). Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post Fishing Isn’t an Industry, It’s a Lifeway appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    55 min
  5. 6D AGO

    If The AI Says Its Sentient, Don’t Listen

    AI is on the top of people’s minds here in Wisconsin, where hyperscale data centers are altering the physical environment and the power grid. But on today’s show, WORT’s News Director Nate Carlin focuses on the emotional damage caused by AI use with Etienne Brisson, the CEO of the Human Line Project, the world’s first nonprofit dedicated to documenting and addressing AI-induced psychological harm. The Human Line Project collects stories from people whose use of AI led to what’s called “AI psychosis,” partners with research institutions to study the phenomena, and provides support for folks to process their experiences. Brisson discusses the trends he’s seen, like folks coming to believe that their chatbot is sentient or a god. No one is truly invulnerable to this because our brains are wired to give emotion–to anthropomorphize–what we can’t understand. The moral of the story for Brisson is that you can’t trust AI: it’s built to predict and say what you want to hear. Instead, we all have to practice critical thinking. They also discuss how AI is related to other problems in modern life like loneliness and echo chambers, and what AI companies are doing in response to AI psychosis. In October 2025, OpenAI revealed that 560,000 users were discussing manic or psychotic ideas weekly on their platform, ChatGPT, and more and more doctors are reporting patients with symptoms of AI psychosis. If you have a friend or family member who has developed an unhealthy relationship with AI, Brisson says the best approach is to listen, empathize, agree, and partner up (LEAP).  Featured image of an AI chatbot via Pexels. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post If The AI Says Its Sentient, Don’t Listen appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    54 min
  6. MAY 20

    What If Children’s Wellbeing Were Our North Star?

    Latin American families choose to migrate to the US for a better life, but they face arduous journeys and too often stigma, violence, and separation from their children when they arrive in the US. On today’s show, host Ali Muldrow is in conversation with Dr. Gabrielle Oliveira about her new book, Now We Are Here: Family Migration, Children’s Education, and Dreams for a Better Life.  Oliveira’s book shows how education is these families’ “currency of love”—the reason they uproot their lives and risk dangerous crossings, detention, family separation—and now the terror of ICE crackdowns.  Now We Are Here focuses on family separation at the US-Mexico border, but Oliveira says these families are worried anew, this time about being detained by ICE rather than deported at the border.  She says that current immigration policy is designed to discourage people from entering the US by destabilizing the family unit. There was a time when even some Republicans opposed cruel immigration policies, but Oliveira observes that now there’s “an appetite to become more restricted,” following Steven Miler’s vision of the country. Even during the first Trump presidency the narrative that immigrants were hardworking, productive members of society could be heard, but that message has now dissolved. Instead, Oliveira says that we need to see the wellbeing of children as our north star. If we acknowledged that the bond between parent and child should not be broken, could we have immigration policies that honor that? They also talk about the experience of immigrant children in the education system, how adults can better listen to children, and the ripple effects of family separation.  Gabrielle Oliveira is Jorge Paulo Lemann Associate Professor of Education and Brazil Studies at the Harvard Graduate School of Education. Featured image of the cover of Now We Are Here: Family Migration, Children’s Education, and Dreams for a Better Life. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post What If Children’s Wellbeing Were Our North Star? appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    55 min
  7. MAY 19

    No Healthcare Without Immigrants

    Healthcare in the US depends on immigrant doctors, but these physicians face a paradox: they’re celebrated as essential but are subjected to intense scrutiny and bias. On today’s show, host Dana Pellebon is in conversation with historian Dr. Eram Alam, about the history of migrant physicians and how they fill roles in rural areas neglected by American-born doctors.  They talk about Alam’s book, The Care of Foreigners: How Immigrant Physicians Changed US Healthcare, which is available from Johns Hopkins University Press. She says the only universal experiences in this world are birth, death, and illness. But people’s experiences of these events are conditioned by their wealth, location, and race. In her book, she uncovers how race influences migrant doctors’ clinical interactions. Alam studied the wave of South Asian physicians from India and Pakistan and later waves of Filipino and Nigerian doctors. These physicians were recruited to work in the US following the Hart-Celler Act of 1965, a time of Cold War fear and a desire by the US to create strong political ties. But when these doctors arrived, their expertise and knowledge was met with skepticism. Many of these elite doctors also faced a kind of shell-shock when they were placed in rural communities that didn’t look like the vision of America they were sold.  They also discuss the chaotic immigration policies coming from the Trump administration and the looming physician shortages that will result from places like Nigeria being put on a banned country list. The Trump administration’s rules on HB1 visas–which now cost $100,000–will make it unattainable for rural hospitals to sponsor foreign-born physicians, leading to downstream effects that Alam says will be born by people who are already vulnerable.  Eram Alam is an associate professor in the Department of the History of Science at Harvard University. She specializes in the history of medicine, with a particular emphasis on globalization, race, migration, and health during the twentieth century. Featured image of the cover of The Care of Foreigners: How Immigrant Physicians Changed US Healthcare.  Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post No Healthcare Without Immigrants appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    53 min
  8. MAY 18

    The Farm Bill Rides Again!

    On April 30, the US House of Representatives passed its version of the Farm Bill. If it makes it through the Senate, it will be the first comprehensive farm bill since 2018. On today’s show, host Douglas Haynes is joined by journalist Lisa Held to talk about what’s in the farm bill, the controversy it sparked, and what it could mean for the US food system. A farm bill is an omnibus bill that dictates how the government spends money on food and agriculture and determines what crops are grown, who has access to food, and so much more. Held says that it matters to everyone, because everyone eats. The biggest item in the farm bill is SNAP, which makes up 75% of the bill. Other big cuts to to commodity supports (like payments to row-crop farmers growing corn, soy, or wheat), crop insurance, and conservation.  Held says that SNAP benefits are at the heart of the farm bill. It’s the nation’s largest food aid program, serving 48 million people who receive about $6/day per household. The Trump administration has already made cuts to SNAP benefits by expanding work requirements, eliminating benefits for refugees, and more. States are saying that their budgets can’t fill in the gaps created by federal cuts.  They also discuss the removal of the “pesticide immunity shield” from the current version, the downsizing of USDA county offices, the first ever state farm bill in Pennsylvania, and the MAHA movement’s influence on food policy. Held says that Washington insiders aren’t confident that the Senate version of the farm bill will pass, leaving Congress to work on piecemeal appropriations to keep many food and agriculture programs running.  Lisa Held is the senior staff reporter and contributing editor at Civil Eats, where she leads daily news coverage of federal food and agriculture policy and regularly reports on-the-ground feature stories on the American food system. Since 2015, she has reported on food and agriculture with an eye toward sustainability, equality, and health, and her stories have appeared in publications including The Guardian, The Washington Post, and Mother Jones. She is based in Baltimore. Featured image of a tractor spraying a field with pesticide via Flickr (CC BY 2.0).  Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post The Farm Bill Rides Again! appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    53 min
  9. MAY 15

    You Can Learn a Lot of Things from the Flowers

    Combining scientific study with lived experience, David George Haskell’s latest book, How Flowers Made Our World: The Story of Nature’s Revolutionaries, tells the story of the adaptability and cooperative nature of flowering plants. He joins host Esty Dinur to discuss how flowers are not only pretty but powerful. Around 200 million years ago when flowering plants emerged, they changed the ecology of the world, shaping human agriculture and whole dynasties of creatures like bees and butterflies. Haskell describes how flowers learned to build attractive structures to gain diligent pollinators and how they reinvented botanical motherhood. Primarily, they transformed the world through cooperation with insects, grazing animals, fungi, bacteria, and other plants. When they struggled, they reached out to others. Now, flowering plants face new struggles from climate change and all its effects.  They also discuss the mosaic of plants and non-human life in the Driftless, the importance of soil, seagrass meadows in the ocean, and how nectar is nature’s drug cocktail. Haskell also connects plants’ struggles against erosion, land conservation, pollution, etc. with human struggles for liberation and civil rights. At the end of the day, humans can learn how to cultivate symbiosis, not exploitation, from flowering plants.  David George Haskell is a writer and biologist acclaimed for his lyrical explorations of the living world. His most recent book, How Flowers Made our World, explores the creative powers of flowering plants. Haskell is a two-time finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in General Nonfiction. Featured image of the cover of How Flowers Made Our World: The Story of Nature’s Revolutionaries. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post You Can Learn a Lot of Things from the Flowers appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    55 min
  10. MAY 14

    A Madison Space By and For the Black Community

    Last week, The Center for Black Excellence and Culture held its grand opening, and a crowd of around 1,500 people showed up to tour the space and celebrate. On today’s show, host Enjoyiana Nururdin speaks with Ms. Lilada Gee, the co-founder of the Center about the planning, implementation, and legacy of this space that is “by and for the Black community.” Gee says that there’s no space like the Center in Madison or in the world, as she heard from the consulting firm they worked with. Built in between two Trump presidencies, the Center represents the dedication of Black Madisonians to creating a legacy and honoring local Black history. Much of the early fundraising was done by the Black community, particularly Black women like Frances Huntly-Cooper, Kirbie Mack, and Kesha Bozeman. Gee says she’s proud that the Center will elevate “Black brilliance, innovation, and creativity.”  There are considerable racial disparities for Black Madisonians, which is why Gee and the other leaders of the Center wanted to create a space where people could find hope, make intergenerational connections, and honor the many ethnicities within the Black diaspora. Gee painted a mural for and designed the Black Women’s Wing. And she says that the center will be a place where the Black community can create their own legacies.  The Center will open to the public starting July 1, when folks can start participating in events and workshops. Lilada Gee is an artist, muralist, healer, preacher, author and international inspirational speaker and podcast host. Drawing upon her experiences as a survivor of both childhood sexual abuse and domestic violence, Lilada founded the non-profit organization—Defending Black Girlhood—that specializes in advocating for Black girls being safe in their homes, schools and communities to live, learn and be loved. Via her Black Woman Heal Collective, she has sparked an international healing movement throughout the African Diaspora that empowers Black women to create safe places for themselves and Black girls to heal. Lilada is a life-long Madison, Wisconsin resident and mother of two awesome adult children–Alexandra and Christian. Featured image of the exterior of The Center for Black Excellence and culture courtesy of Brian Standing/WORT. Did you enjoy this story? Your funding makes great, local journalism like this possible. Donate here The post A Madison Space By and For the Black Community appeared first on WORT-FM 89.9.

    51 min

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