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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

The National Security Law Podcast Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck

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The National Security Law Podcast (aka the NSL Podcast) is a weekly review of the latest legal controversies associated with the U.S. government’s national security activities and institutions, featuring Professors Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck of the University of Texas at Austin. They bring different perspectives to these issues, but always in a friendly spirit. The program is fast-paced but detail-rich, and is meant for lawyers and non-lawyers alike. If you’ve been looking for a thoughtful yet enjoyable way to keep up with and better understand these issues, the National Security Law Podcast is the show for you. To join the conversation, follow nslpodcast on Twitter (@nslpodcast).

    Episode 235: A Drone Struck

    Episode 235: A Drone Struck

    We're back with a Spring Break edition, featuring:



    * ICC cases emerging against Russian defendants for (1) removing children from Ukraine to Russia and (2) attacking civilian infrastructure

    * A UK drone strike in Syria, a US drone strike in Yemen, and a US drone struck (by the Russians)

    * Renewal of Section 702 and the Rep. LaHood story

    * TikTok, CFIUS, and the RESTRICT Act

    * Another GTMO transfer

    * Possible repeal of the 2002 and 1991 Iraq AUMFs



    And an early start to the annual Mets demoralization process.

    • 1 hr 9 min
    Episode 234: Not *That* Linda Hamilton

    Episode 234: Not *That* Linda Hamilton

    Are you ready for a DEEP DIVE?  We've got an extended conversation today explaining the stakes and anticipating the outcomes in two cases argued in front of SCOTUS this week:  Google v. Gonzalez and Twitter v. Taamneh.  The cases present questions about the scope of civil liability under the Anti-Terrorism Act in the aiding-and-abetting context (as applied to the use of social media platforms by terrorist groups) and the proper interpretation of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act and its protection of such platforms.

    • 1 hr 8 min
    Episode 233: This Episode Was (Not) Written by ChatGPT

    Episode 233: This Episode Was (Not) Written by ChatGPT

    We are delighted this week to feature two Texas Law students -- Sam Libby and Alex Rigby -- who earned the chance to co-host the show with us thanks to their generosity supporting the Texas Law Fellowships program (a charitable endeavor that supports Texas Law students doing summer public interest work).  Join us as we talk about just how it is that Prime Minister Trudeau can be involved in orders that result in American F-22s taking out a UFO, a largely-unremarked material support prosecution that twenty years ago very well could have resulted in a high-profile dispute over military detention of a US citizen, loads of Super Bowl analysis, and much more!  And, yes, lots of questions posed to ChatGPT!

    • 1 hr 12 min
    Episode 232: Top Gun 3: Deflategate!

    Episode 232: Top Gun 3: Deflategate!

    After a week with no electricity, Professors Vladeck and Chesney are back with the latest in national security law news.  Tune in for discussions of:



    * the law (or lack thereof) when it comes to balloons, altitude, and aerial espionage

    * sanctions on the Wagner Group and also on various Russians associated with ransomware

    * FBI and DOJ disrupting the Hive ransomware group

    * Majid Khan transferred from GTMO to ... Belize?

    * Ted Olson on the military commissions process



    Finally, you'll want to watch SNL's "HBO Mario Kart": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiIRlg4Xr5w

    • 41 min
    Episode 231: If You Go to Washington Don’t Crime There

    Episode 231: If You Go to Washington Don’t Crime There

    What's this, a one-week turnaround between shows?  Will wonders never cease? In a throwback to the days of this being a weekly show, your co-hosts Bobby Chesney and Steve Vladeck are back on a quick turnaround in order to debate and discuss:



    * A new seditious conspiracy conviction arising out of Jan. 6

    * A New York State "material support" prosecution (State v. el Faisal)

    * Various SCOTUS updates

    * Any classified documents that we might have found when cleaning up the ol' office

    * The shocking arrest of the former FBI Special Agent in Charge of the Counterintelligence Division at FBI's NY Field Office on IEEPA (and other) charges relating to secret work for a Russian oligarch....oof.



    And, as always, some frivolity.

    • 55 min
    Episode 230, Not Section 230

    Episode 230, Not Section 230

    Wouldn't want you to be misled by the episode number (though we do actually foreshadow some future Section 230 coverage in light of an upcoming pair of SCOTUS cases)!  At any rate: tune in as Professors Chesney and Vladeck discuss what is and isn't similar about the Trump and Biden classified documents scenarios; the relative authority of the President and Congress under the Arms Export Control Act (in light of the potential sale of F16s to Turkey); the 21st anniversary of GTMO; the indictment of a Chinese man who harassed a fellow student at the Berklee School of Music based on the victim's pro-democracy, pro-freedom speech; and of course no small amount of frivolity!

    • 54 min

Customer Reviews

4.8 out of 5
605 Ratings

605 Ratings

Big Racing Fan ,

A “Must” for the National Security Set

Chesney and Vladeck not only recap but also explain recent developments at the intersection of US law and national security. Although bringing basic familiarity with legal concepts is helpful, the law school dean/prof and prof (respectively) regularly pause to explain arcana or nuances to the non-lawyer listener. Plus the “Frivolity” segments at the end are enjoyable and often thought-provoking critiques of film, sports, and television.

luca487075 ,

Drone Struck

Steve - write the book!!
Louise Buck The nonlawyer not until Trump came interested in law grandmother now great grandmother in San Diego.

nppVoter ,

Accessible to non lawyers

These scholars explain the laws at the center of international controversies in a lively and comprehensive way. (And you can always rewind when Prof Vladeck throws it too fast. You will be rewarded.) —a barber.

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