Recoup Podcast

Patrick Sweetman
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Recoup Podcast is a show about AI transformation for music rightsholders. We sit down with the people who create, own, and invest in music, from label founders and publishers to fund managers and catalog owners, on how they run their businesses and where AI now does real work inside them. Specific answers from operators, the numbers behind them, and what they would build next. Made by Recoup, the firm that builds AI systems music companies own and trains their teams to use them. recoupable.dev

  1. 4d ago

    Buy at 8x, sell to fans at 20x w/ Sean Peace

    "Our target multiple is a 20X," says Sean Peace, who founded SongVest in 2007. A catalog owner buys at 8x, then sells 10% or 15% of a song to fans at 20x. Fans pay it because a SongShare is "the coolest piece of memorabilia you'll ever buy": a piece of a song they love that actually pays a royalty. We test that on one real offering. In SongVest's 2026 offering circular, a share of "Rain On Me" earned $12,637 over the last twelve months. The seller gets $252,750, about 20 times that, and fans pay up to $318,465, about 25 times. Sean explains who those buyers are, how payouts reach them, and why the first song he put on the marketplace, "Hit The Quan", was one he owned himself. We also cover fewer, bigger buyers after Sony and Recognition and BMG and Concord, what drives a multiple a year later, why a ton of money doesn't make you good at valuing catalogs, why song shares don't trade like stocks yet, and what AI licensing will actually pay song owners. Sean Peace: songvest.com · LinkedIn Chapters0:00 Cold open + intro0:26 Why SongVest is still here5:32 Fewer, bigger buyers9:03 The multiple, a year later13:53 Who pays 25x for Rain On Me16:23 Payouts and getting out21:39 Will it ever trade like equities23:41 AI money and fake streams28:38 Quickfire Recoup designs and builds the systems behind conversations like this one: catalog data, royalty operations, and AI agents for labels, publishers, funds and management companies. recoupable.dev

    Buy at 8x, sell to fans at 20x w/ Sean Peace

  2. Oct 11

    Music licensing needs to be frictionless, not permissionless w/ Jesse Kirshbaum

    Jesse Kirshbaum signed the Clipse at 23. More than twenty years later, "Grindin'" is a Lavazza coffee. "Songs don't get old, but context is consistently changing," he says. That is his Living Catalog: brand partnerships that give older songs new meaning, and new income, long after the release date. Jesse runs Nue Agency and writes the Beats + Bytes newsletter. He explains how a brand picks a song (data shows where the heat is, taste shows where it is going), why music licensing needs to be frictionless rather than permissionless, and what a label sitting on 5,000 songs should pitch first: not a playlist, a concept. We cover Dolly Parton's Cup of Ambition coffee, DJ Khaled and Nesquik's "Another Bun", the 2025 NFL Draft walkout songs, Kid A Mnesia, and which archive deserves that treatment next. Subscribe to Beats + Bytes: beatsxbytes.com/subscribe Jesse Kirshbaum: nueagency.com · LinkedIn Chapters0:00 Cold open + intro0:26 Grindin', twenty years later1:49 From agent to agentic6:57 What brands want from a catalog9:37 Taste, data and the needle13:10 Can a brand deal make an old song worth more?16:45 Clearing music at scale20:57 Don't send a playlist, send a concept22:53 Quickfire Recoup designs and builds the systems behind conversations like this one: catalog data, royalty operations, and AI agents for labels, publishers, funds and management companies. recoupable.dev

    Music licensing needs to be frictionless, not permissionless w/ Jesse Kirshbaum

  3. Oct 4

    AI music licenses will switch from market share to usage w/ Vickie Nauman

    Vickie Nauman expects the first AI music licenses, signed on market share, to start paying on actual usage when they come up for renewal in one to two years. The founder and CEO of CrossBorderWorks has spent 26 years licensing new music technology, and she lays out what rights holders need before that switch: an attribution system for AI output, artist opt-in, and a transparency clause in every AI license. We cover Spotify's AI artist badges, whether a Drake hit and a Kansas City singer-songwriter carry the same value in a training set, Merlin's role for independent catalogs, GEMA's court win against Suno, why AI-generated music should flow through the same DDEX pipes as everything else, and why 3.5 billion gamers make games a catalog income line. Vickie also explains why the industry lost four years trying to stop digital from 1999 to 2004, and why rights holders are at the table this time. Vickie Nauman: crossborderworks.com · LinkedIn Chapters0:00 Cold open + intro0:19 Human, machine, or a million shades of gray6:49 Twenty-five years of new tech meeting old rights11:53 The majors signed first. What about everyone else?15:55 When the AI deals come due20:45 Proving a song is human25:09 Games as catalog income29:28 Quickfire Recoup designs and builds the systems behind conversations like this one: catalog data, royalty operations, and AI agents for labels, publishers, funds and management companies. recoupable.dev

    AI music licenses will switch from market share to usage w/ Vickie Nauman

  4. 12/08/2024

    The $100K playbook of an independent artist w/ Xcelencia

    Recorded in Miami during Art Basel 2024. Xcelencia runs his career the way a good company runs a product line: the album treated as software, distribution engineered through quests rather than playlist luck, and a direct commercial relationship with the collectors who fund the work. We go through the numbers behind his $100K year, the tooling he built versus bought, token-bound accounts as fan infrastructure, and what he would keep if he started again. Required listening for anyone who owns a catalog and wants to see the leading edge of independent operation in practice. Connect with Xcelencia: El Niño Estrella, X, Spotify Recoup designs and builds the systems behind conversations like this one: catalog data, royalty operations, and AI agents for labels, publishers, funds and management companies. recoupable.dev

    The $100K playbook of an independent artist w/ Xcelencia

  5. 11/24/2024

    Base Digger Early Access: My First Look at the New Onchain Game That Pays in ETH

    Discover Base Digger, the latest onchain game built on Base! 🎮 My friend Cadu gave me early access to this exciting new game, which he and his team have been building for 10 months. In this video, I’ll playtest the game, explore its features, and share my first impressions. From signing in with email, swapping ETH for tokens, and digging lands to climbing the leaderboard, I cover everything you need to know about this unique onchain gaming experience. Watch to find out how I rank on the leaderboard and why I’m so excited about the Base ecosystem! 🚀 Key Highlights with Timestamps: - [00:00:00] Introduction to Base Digger and Early Access - [00:00:15] Signing in with Early Access - [00:00:47] Exploring the Shop, Stamina, and Tools - [00:01:36] Understanding the Leaderboard System - [00:02:20] How to Earn Points and Dig Lands - [00:03:10] First Gameplay: Digging Lands and Earning XP - [00:03:39] Running Out of Stamina: What Happens Next? - [00:05:10] Swapping ETH for Bot Tokens - [00:06:20] Purchasing Stamina and Continuing Gameplay - [00:07:02] Troubleshooting Swaps and Completing Transactions - [00:08:20] Returning to Gameplay: Climbing the Leaderboard - [00:08:57] Final Thoughts and Excitement for Base Digger 🔗 Play Base Digger: https://www.basedigger.xyz/ 🔗 Learn more about Base Digger and the Base ecosystem: https://x.com/basedigger 👍 Don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more blockchain gaming content! #BaseDigger #BlockchainGaming #PlayToEarn #OnChainGaming #EthereumGaming #BaseEcosystem #CryptoGames #NFTGaming #ETHRewards #GameTest #BaseNetwork #GamingOnBlockchain #CryptoCommunity #LeaderboardChallenge #PlayTest #BlockchainTechnology #Web3Gaming #GameDevelopment #CryptoTokens #StaminaSystem #BaseMainnet #BlockchainFun #CaduGames #CryptoLeaderboard #GamingInnovation #Base #OnChain #OnChainGaming

  6. 11/22/2024

    How to Build a ManageFamAuthority Indexer for Hypersub Subscriptions

    In this tutorial, we walk you through building an indexer for the ManageFamAuthority to automate Party management based on Hypersub subscription status on Base. From creating a "fam" to linking subscriptions to parties and verifying subscription expirations, you'll learn how to streamline multiplayer Ethereum experiences with this end-to-end guide. Key Timestamps: - 00:00 - Introduction Overview of our goal: automating party cards based on Hypersub subscriptions. - 00:20 - Starting the Indexer Using `pnpm dev` to run the indexer locally. - 00:35 - Indexer Tasks Overview - Monitoring subscription contracts for transfer events. - Tracking creator-linked subscriptions to parties. - Checking and removing expired subscriptions every 30 seconds. - 01:00 - Creating a Fam Using CC0 art to set up a new fam. - 01:55 - Deploying Hypersub Steps to deploy a Hypersub on the factory and configure party access. - 03:40 - Testing Subscription Expirations Verifying party card removal upon subscription expiry. - 04:50 - Debugging Subscription Expirations Addressing bugs with the cron job for removing expired party cards. - 07:00 - Creating Proposals and Actions Granting subscription time, adding members, and creating proposals. - 09:30 - Proposal Execution Testing and verifying a Zora token creation through proposals. - 12:20 - Bug Fixes Identifying and resolving issues in the indexer logic to handle expired subscriptions. - 25:00 - Closing Remarks Encouragement to like, share, and build on this open-source effort. This tutorial is tailored for blockchain developers looking to connect subscription mechanics with on-chain experiences seamlessly. If you found this helpful, like, comment, and share to inspire more builders! 🚀 #Ethereum #BlockchainDevelopment #Base #Hypersub #ManageFamAuthority #Tutorial

  7. 11/21/2024

    Launching a Meme Coin on Base with WOW Protocol

    In this episode, we dive into launching a meme coin on the Base blockchain using the WOW protocol. Follow along as we explore WOW mechanics, deploy a meme coin, and integrate features like buy and sell functionality. Whether you're a developer or an enthusiast, this guide will show you how to create your own meme coin launchpad on Base to earn fees in the 2025 bull run! Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction: Overview of launching a meme coin on Base with WOW protocol 0:05 - WOW Mechanics: Exploring the protocol and its components 0:32 - Protocol Overview: Smart contracts, tokenomics, and bonding curves 1:20 - Goal Setting: Building a meme coin launchpad on Base 2:00 - Technical Overview: Understanding WOW’s smart contract architecture 2:45 - Deploy a Meme Coin: Setting up the environment and starting development 4:30 - Wagmi Setup: Using Wagmi for Ethereum interactions 6:00 - Connecting Wallets: Configuring Metamask and other wallet options 8:00 - Deploy Button Creation: Adding deploy functionality for meme coins 10:00 - Troubleshooting: Debugging deployment issues 12:30 - Deployment Success: Successfully deploying a meme coin 14:20 - Buy Functionality: Implementing the buy feature 20:00 - Price Query: Fetching and displaying the buy price 24:00 - Buy Success: Purchasing meme coins on Base 27:00 - Sell Functionality: Attempting to implement sell functionality 35:00 - Sell Button Setup: Adding a sell button and addressing errors 40:00 - Challenges with Slippage: Debugging slippage issues during sales 46:00 - Next Steps: Exploring token approvals and Rainbow Router integration 48:00 - Conclusion: Building a meme coin launchpad and planning future steps Key Takeaways: - Learn how to deploy and buy meme coins using WOW protocol on Base. - Discover how to create a meme coin launchpad to earn fees. - Understand WOW’s bonding curve and tokenomics architecture. If you found this video helpful, don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe! Engage with us on Zora by clicking the Mint button or follow us on YouTube and Instagram. Let’s build the future of meme coin mania together! 🚀 #WOWProtocol #BaseBlockchain #MemeCoin #CryptoLaunchpad #Tokenomics #Ethereum #DeFi #BlockchainDevelopment #SmartContracts #CryptoTutorial #BullRun2025 #Wagmi #CryptoInvesting #Altcoins #CryptoCommunity #Zora #CryptoEarnings #CryptoGuide #BlockchainTech #CryptoTrends #Web3Development

  8. 02/20/2023

    TBD TWITTER SPACE - 2023

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Recoup Podcast is a show about AI transformation for music rightsholders. We sit down with the people who create, own, and invest in music, from label founders and publishers to fund managers and catalog owners, on how they run their businesses and where AI now does real work inside them. Specific answers from operators, the numbers behind them, and what they would build next. Made by Recoup, the firm that builds AI systems music companies own and trains their teams to use them. recoupable.dev

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  • Creator
    Patrick Sweetman
  • Years Active
    2017 - 2026
  • Episodes
    426
  • Rating
    Explicit
  • Copyright
    © Patrick Sweetman
  • Show Website
    Recoup Podcast