Money on the Left

Money on the Left

Welcome to the podcast feed of the Money on the Left Editorial Collective. We are an interdisciplinary platform that reclaims money’s public powers for intersectional politics, drawing on Modern Monetary Theory and constitutional approaches to money to forge new paths for left critique and practice. This feed serves as the single audio home for all Collective programming, bringing you regular interviews, political economy analysis, and special series on culture and aesthetics—including Money on the Left, In the Loop, and Superstructure. Presented in partnership with Monthly Review. Check out our website: https://moneyontheleft.org Follow us on Bluesky @moneyontheleft.bsky.social & Facebook at @moneyontheleft. 

  1. Sep 1

    A Rhetorical History of Modern Money Theory with John T. Harvey

    We speak with John T. Harvey about a new article he co-wrote with Billy Saas titled, “A Rhetorical History of Modern Money Theory,” out this month in the September 2026 issue of the Journal of Economic Issues. Harvey is Hal Wright Professor of Economics at Texas Christian University. We discuss his recent publication in the context of his broader career in heterodox economics.  Modern Money Theory (MMT) (otherwise known as Modern Monetary Theory) is a heterodox macroeconomic school of thought that recognizes currency-issuing governments cannot run out of the money they create. Because the state issues the currency and requires taxes to be paid in that unit of account, it is never revenue-constrained. Instead, public spending is bound only by real productive capacity and available resources (labor, technology, materials), with inflation—not solvency—serving as the true economic limit. In “A Rhetorical History of Modern Money Theory,” Saas and Harvey trace how MMT emerged not merely as a set of first principles, balance-sheet descriptions, and policy prescriptions, but also as a deliberate discursive and rhetorical intervention against dominant neoclassical paradigms and institutions. Orthodox economics relies heavily on moralizing metaphors of household frugality, naturalized market scarcity, and the false specter of government insolvency to enforce fiscal austerity. In response, MMT theorists developed new vocabularies, pedagogies, and public-facing rhetorical strategies to demystify money as a creature of law and public governance, demonstrating how public finance can be reclaimed for democratic purpose. Throughout our conversation, Harvey reflects on the communicative struggles of heterodox economists, the pedagogical challenges of unseating entrenched neoclassical assumptions, the relationship between Post-Keynesian and Institutionalist traditions, and what a rhetorical history reveals about the future of political economy and public provisioning. Visit our Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/MoLsuperstructure Music by Nahneen Kula: www.nahneenkula.com

    A Rhetorical History of Modern Money Theory with John T. Harvey
  2. Aug 1

    Democracy Needs Public Media with Victor Pickard

    Victor Pickard returns to Money on the Left six years after his first appearance on the show to discuss the state of the U.S. media system under Trump 2.0. Pickard is C. Edwin Baker Professor of Media Policy and Political Economy at the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg School for Communication and Co-Director at the Media, Inequality & Change Center. Placing current developments in broad historical context, Pickard situates today’s media crisis within a century-long struggle to establish and maintain genuine public media against the overpowering dominance and relentless pushback of private corporate media. Drawing on his recent writing and policy interventions, Pickard breaks down three distinct layers of media capture: capitalistic, oligarchic, and authoritarian. Crucially, our conversation stresses how the foundational layer—the capitalistic privatization of news and communication as market commodities rather than vital public goods—directly conditions and enables the other two. As long as media institutions remain captured by capitalist imperatives, treating political information as a vehicle for private control and exploitation, attempts to counter oligarchic consolidation or authoritarian coercion will fail to address the root causes of our institutional breakdown. During our discussion, we explore the history of the struggle to build public media in the United States, from early twentieth-century regulatory choices that privatized the public airwaves to the gradual weakening of public-interest protections and the chronic underfunding of public broadcasting. Against this hyper-commercialized landscape, we insist upon the necessity of fighting for democratic, diverse, and locally sensitive public media infrastructures. Rather than relying on broken advertising models or corporate philanthropy, we explore what it would mean to construct non-capitalist, community-governed media systems designed from the bottom up to serve local publics. Visit our Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/MoLsuperstructure Music by Nahneen Kula: www.nahneenkula.com

    Democracy Needs Public Media with Victor Pickard
  3. Jul 25

    The Fight for Public Banking with Washington State Senator Bob Hasegawa (In the Loop: Revolutionizing Public Finance, Ep. 3)

    In this episode, hosts Tyler Suksawat, Will Beaman, and Scott Ferguson sit down with Washington State Senator Bob Hasegawa to explore his nearly two-decade campaign to establish a public bank in Washington State, launched in the wake of the 2008 Wall Street crash. The conversation situates Hasegawa’s tireless public banking advocacy within his broader political formation. Born to a Japanese American family that suffered forced incarceration by the U.S. government during World War II, Hasegawa went on to enter the trades and join the Teamsters during a historic turning point for organized labor. As a leader in the rank-and-file movement to democratize the union and eradicate systemic corruption, Hasegawa was elected to union leadership in the Teamsters’ first-ever democratic vote, only to subsequently witness a disappointing return to corruption enabled by the Clinton administration. This early crucible in rank-and-file organizing and institutional power profoundly shaped his career in the Washington State House and Senate, grounding his legislative focus on labor rights, racial justice, and public accountability. Dedicating the core of the discussion to the mechanics and necessity of public finance, Hasegawa articulates why public banks are vital tools for democratizing money, keeping public revenues working for local communities, and serving as a countercyclical buffer during market downturns. In a fascinating historical turn, Hasegawa walks through the founding of the Bank of North Dakota over a century ago, revealing how the agrarian movement behind the bank actually drew inspiration from progressive public ownership projects underway in Seattle at the time. This historical connection links the century-old legacy of the Bank of North Dakota directly back to Washington State, demonstrating that the current movement for public banking in Washington is coming full circle to its original inspiration. Finally, Hasegawa frames public banking as a truly global movement, exploring how different public financial structures around the world—such as Germany’s municipal Sparkassen system—can learn from one another, cooperate, and move in international solidarity to build an equitable, democratically governed financial architecture. Check out the Substack for the Washington State Public Banking Workgroup currently chaired by Senator Hasegawa. See here for the 2026 SB 5754 Work Session and Public Testimony for Hasegawa's public banking legislation.  Visit our Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/MoLsuperstructure Original music by Josh Klinghoffer

    The Fight for Public Banking with Washington State Senator Bob Hasegawa  (In the Loop: Revolutionizing Public Finance, Ep. 3)
  4. Jul 24

    What is the Loop? (In the Loop: Revolutionizing Public Finance, Ep. 2)

    Building on the vision of Democratic Public Finance (DPF) introduced in our debut episode, hosts Will Beaman, Tyler Suksawat, and Scott Ferguson present a radical new proposal to expand sub-federal fiscal capacity: the Loop.  For decades, local governments have been disciplined by Wall Street bond markets, forced into defensive austerity, while furnishing private creditors with hundreds of millions of dollars per year. The Loop breaks this poisonous cycle by authorizing a government-owned public bank to purchase municipal bonds directly from a state, county, or city. In turn, the bank can immediately deposit interest payments back into the government’s general fund, in effect, stopping the leak to Wall Street by establishing a distinctly public loop. By internalizing debt service, the Loop transforms an extractive cost into a self-replenishing public fund, capturing interest payments to fund housing, transit, care infrastructure, and the arts. The result empowers cities to evaluate public investment based on real social and ecological capacity rather than bond market discipline. Drawing on our recent writings and coalition work around the Seattle Loop, our hosts explain how such daring innovations in DPF stand to reclaim municipal finance as a powerful instrument for democratic agency and collective care. Related Reading & Resources Reclaiming the Public Interest: Cities Should Sell Municipal Bonds to Their Own Public BanksOut of the Shadows: Public Banking for Municipal FinanceThe Seattle Loop: Reclaiming the Public InterestZooming In on the LoopHow Cities Can Evaluate Public Investment Without Bond MarketsVisit our Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/MoLsuperstructure Original music by Josh Klinghoffer

    What is the Loop? (In the Loop: Revolutionizing Public Finance, Ep. 2)
  5. Jul 2

    Public Employment & Training from the Great Society to the "End of Welfare as We Know It"

    This month, Scott Ferguson speaks with Mario Rendina about the politics of public employment and training in the United States as they shifted over the course of the late 20th century. Unlike our standard episodes, this conversation is an archival treat: it was originally recorded 11 years ago in 2015, three years before the Money on the Left podcast officially began. Rendina brings over thirty years of hands-on experience working within municipal government in Tampa Bay, Florida—specifically within Hillsborough County. Grounded in his extensive career as a local administrator, Rendina walks us through the decades he spent supervising county initiatives, sketching out how local experimentation actively moved with and against broad macroeconomic shifts at the federal level. As Rendina explains, local administrators routinely interpreted federal laws regulating public employment and training rather than passively accepting top-down mandates as fixed or uncontestable. Despite federal directives to prioritize private-sector placement, Rendina and his colleagues routinely found creative ways to bolster and expand public employment—whether by baking future public employment contracts into library building projects or dynamically staffing their own municipal offices. Throughout the interview, Rendina's testimony tacitly underscores a core Money on the Left lesson: we must not underestimate the institutional and communal capacities that regional governments always-already have at their disposal. While pro-social change requires funding, local institutions can actively leverage their crediting powers and existing infrastructure to mobilize and value local communities. Ultimately, the conversation maps a troubling yet instructive historical trajectory from Lyndon B. Johnson’s Great Society to Bill Clinton’s notorious "end to welfare as we know it." While the federal government never fully committed to a well-compensated, non-exclusive public job guarantee during this era, Rendina's account highlights genuine pro-social advances we can still learn from today. Crucially, it recounts how Reaganite and Clintonian neoliberalism systematically undercut these endeavors over time, defunding public training programs and increasingly privatizing their leadership, operations, and aims. Conducted with an eye toward future struggles for a federal Job Guarantee grounded in an inalienable right to work, this interview provides a vital archive from which to advance modern movements for public provisioning. Additional Resources: The Full, Raw Audio: Listen to the complete, unedited 2015 recording on our SoundCloud.Conference Presentation: Watch Mario Rendina's presentation delivered at the inaugural Money on the Left Conference at the University of South Florida in 2018.Visit our Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/MoLsuperstructure Music by Nahneen Kula: www.nahneenkula.com

    Public Employment & Training from the Great Society to the "End of Welfare as We Know It"
  6. Jun 13

    In the Loop: Revolutionizing Public Finance, Ep. 1

    The Money on the Left Collective is proud to launch its new podcast series, In the Loop: Revolutionizing Public Finance, hosted by Scott Ferguson, Tyler Suksawat, and Will Beaman. In this debut episode, the hosts lay out a bold vision for Democratic Public Finance (DPF), a paradigm shift that rejects the defensive, austerity-driven mindset of "finding the money" and instead reclaims public finance as a problem of legal, social, and democratic design. By wresting control of public resources from Wall Street, shadow banking, and both neoliberal and authoritarian governance, DPF seeks to protect local communities from federal sabotage and end the false trade-offs that misrecognize collective capacities, while pitting public interests against one another.  The episode culminates by introducing what we at MotL call "the Loop"—a generative fiscal framework that utilizes a city-owned public bank to internalize municipal debt, capture interest revenues that would otherwise leak to private creditors, and reinvest that wealth back into local infrastructure. Highlighting the ongoing successes and momentum of building a broad-based coalition around the Seattle Loop, the hosts demonstrate how diverse advocacy sectors—including labor, housing, and the arts—can be woven into a self-replenishing, mutually reinforcing network that transforms public finance into a powerful instrument for the people and the planet. Visit our Patreon page here: https://www.patreon.com/MoLsuperstructure Original music by Josh Klinghoffer

    In the Loop: Revolutionizing Public Finance, Ep. 1
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Welcome to the podcast feed of the Money on the Left Editorial Collective. We are an interdisciplinary platform that reclaims money’s public powers for intersectional politics, drawing on Modern Monetary Theory and constitutional approaches to money to forge new paths for left critique and practice. This feed serves as the single audio home for all Collective programming, bringing you regular interviews, political economy analysis, and special series on culture and aesthetics—including Money on the Left, In the Loop, and Superstructure. Presented in partnership with Monthly Review. Check out our website: https://moneyontheleft.org Follow us on Bluesky @moneyontheleft.bsky.social & Facebook at @moneyontheleft. 

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