The Modern Pain Podcast

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The Modern Pain Podcast helps clinicians and patients better understand and treat pain. We bring clinicians, researchers, and patients together. Our focus is on returning the patient's voice back to healthcare. Brought to you by Modern Pain Care. 

  1. DEC 14

    The Back Pain Myths Making Recovery Harder (Part 1)

    In this episode, Dr. Jim Eubanks, physiatrist and spine specialist, breaks down the most harmful back pain myths patients encounter online-and what clinicians can say instead. If you've ever struggled to help a patient move past catastrophic thinking or scary MRI language, this conversation will give you the tools to reframe pain, imaging, and recovery. What you'll learn: Why "pain equals damage" keeps patients stuck in fear and avoidanceHow to translate radiology reports into plain language that empowers movementWhen imaging is actually necessary (and when it's not)The role of lifestyle, sleep, stress, and psychological factors in back pain recoveryWhy rehabilitation should almost always come first-even before imagingThis is part one of a two-part series. Part two dives into first-line care, injections, procedures, and when to involve a specialist. 🎧 Listen to the full podcast  💬 Join Modern Pain Pro for mentorship, case discussions, and clinical resources → modernpaincare.com 📘 Learn about Pain Practice OS → Our flagship program for clinicians building local pain programs Your work matters-let's build modern pain care together. #BackPain #PhysicalTherapy #ChronicPain #PainScience #Physiatry #RehabFirst ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

    34 min

  2. DEC 7

    Why "Manual Therapy" Holds OMPT Back (Fellowship Director Responds)

    In this episode, I sit down with Mark Shepherd, fellowship program director, to tackle a controversial question: Is the "manual therapy" label holding back our profession? We explore whether orthopedic manual physical therapy should rebrand itself as the research evolves and public perception shifts. What we cover: Why fellowship training is about reasoning, not just techniqueThe disconnect between what OMPT actually is vs. how it's perceivedHow branding affects patient expectations and clinician identityWhether the manual therapy name limits our ability to attract new fellowsThe role of touch in modern pain care—and why it shouldn't define usThis is a nuanced conversation between two fellows who deeply respect the training but question whether our messaging matches our methods in 2025. 🎧 Modern Pain Care Resources: Join the Modern Pain Pro community Learn about Pain Practice OS #PhysicalTherapy #ManualTherapy #OMPT #PainCare #Fellowship #PainScience #Physio ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

    46 min

  3. NOV 30

    Chronic Pain, Lifestyle, and Data: How Pain Coach Helps Clinicians See What Really Matters

    Try Pain Coach  Connect with Lachlan on LinkedIn Struggling to turn complex chronic pain into simple, actionable care plans your patients can follow? In this episode of the Modern Pain Podcast, Mark sits down with physiotherapist and Pain Coach founder Lachlan Townend to unpack how lifestyle data, clinical reasoning, and tech can finally work together instead of against each other. Lachlan shares his own journey with persistent groin pain, why the traditional biopsychosocial model often becomes “woo-woo” and unmeasured, and how he built Pain Coach to help clinicians track sleep, exercise, social connection, nutrition, and psychological distress in a way that actually guides treatment. You’ll hear us dive into: How Lachlan’s personal pain story shaped his empathy and practiceWhy patients don’t want “complexity” – they want simple, actionable stepsThe limitations of manual therapy and short-term fixes (without throwing them out entirely)How to use lifestyle tracking as a clinical support tool, not a replacement for reasoningUsing data to test-treat-retest lifestyle changes over timeThe tension between research, incentives, and real-world outcomesHow AI could help clinicians ask better questions of their patients’ dataIf you’re a physio, PT, chiro, OT, pain coach, or any clinician working with persistent pain, this conversation will give you a concrete way to move beyond the “magic hands” model and into measurable, whole-person care. ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

    44 min

  4. NOV 16

    The Existential Crisis Every Manual Therapist Should Have

    In this episode, Mark sits down with Richard McIlmoyle, a chiropractor from British Columbia who went through a profound professional transformation after discovering modern pain science. Richard shares his journey from biomechanical certainty to embracing uncertainty, and how that shift has made him a better clinician and mentor. In this conversation, you'll discover: How to mentor students without destroying their foundational confidenceWhy intellectual humility is your greatest clinical assetThe tension between what we're taught in school and what science actually showsHow Richard approaches manual therapy from a macro-down perspectiveWhy he audited UBC's medical school pain curriculum (and what he found)Richard's story is a masterclass in professional evolution. From attending the San Diego Pain Summit in 2015 to now influencing medical education in British Columbia, he demonstrates what's possible when clinicians choose curiosity over certainty. ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

    45 min

  5. NOV 2

    The Psychological Flexibility Clinicians Need (But Don't Have)

    Pain management requires psychological flexibility—not just for patients, but for clinicians too. Bronnie Lennox Thompson reveals why embracing uncertainty builds better therapeutic relationships than projecting false certainty ever could. What you'll learn: → Why the biopsychosocial model gets lip service but fails in practice → How to redirect your certainty from treatments to relationships → Guided discovery techniques for hands-on and active care → Why saying "I don't know" strengthens trust (not weakens it) → Essential skills: Motivational Interviewing + ACT for pain coaching → How to help patients discover freedom in their own world (not just your clinic) Bronnie explains her shift from "biopsychosocial" to a multifactorial model, shares how clinicians struggle with uncertainty just like patients do, and breaks down the practical communication skills that transform you from expert-fixer to collaborative guide. Whether you're struggling with big emotions in sessions, feeling stuck in the "certainty peddling" culture of CE courses, or ready to deepen your psychologically informed practice—this conversation offers permission, wisdom, and actionable strategies. Perfect for: Physical therapists, occupational therapists, chiropractors, and any clinician working with people in chronic pain who want to practice with more authenticity, confidence, and human connection. 🔗 Interested in coaching and mentorship? Learn more about Modern Pain Care programs at modernpaincare.com ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

    58 min

  6. OCT 12

    Acceptance, Agency & Chronic Headaches: How Benjamin Reclaimed His Life

    Chronic pain doesn’t have to steal your purpose. In this episode, Benjamin shares how he’s navigated life with cluster headaches—and how he’s turning his journey into a mission to help others. Key takeaways How Benjamin first experienced his illness and what followedWhy acceptance became a turning point—not surrenderDaily rhythms and small rituals that anchor himRelationship dynamics: the role of honest, nonjudgmental communicationHow lived experience shapes credibility in pain workIntegrating mind and body: why they can’t be separated in chronic illnessWhat Benjamin’s next steps look like (coaching, writing, building community)If you’re a clinician, coach, or person in pain interested in bridging lived experience and evidence-based practice, this one’s for you. 🎯 Subscribe for more conversations with pain leaders. ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

    35 min

  7. OCT 5

    5 Steps to Transform Pain Care in Your Community

    You’re not powerless to fix the system — you can lead change right where you are. In this episode, Mark Kargela walks you through 5 actionable steps any clinician can take now to transform how pain is treated in your community. What you’ll learn:  • Why waiting for the system to change is a trap  • How to build a financial model that supports sustainable care  • Ethical, value‑driven marketing—not selling out  • The power of community, mentorship, and accountability  • How to deliver truly psychologically informed care in practice Want to do more than just “talk about” whole person care? This is your roadmap to doing it — in your clinic, in your region, with real patients. 🛠️ Subscribe and turn on notifications 📚 Links below for our community, resources, and the Pain Practice OS program Pain Practice OS  ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

    20 min

  8. SEP 28

    Chronic Pain Needs Shared Expertise—not a Hero Clinician

    Rethinking pain changes outcomes. Treating tissues alone leaves people behind. In this clinician-focused conversation, Mark Kargela flips the script with Pete Moore (Pain Toolkit) to unpack what modern, human-centered pain care looks like in real clinics. You’ll learn: Why a tissue-only approach misses 10–30% of cases—and what to do insteadPractical ways to “shut up and listen” to the story beneath the painHow stress, HPA-axis load, IBS/migraine, and sensitization intertwine with painA workable “driving instructor” model for self-management and shared expertiseHow to use patient narratives to align biology with lived experienceEducation that actually lands—with patients and with students/colleaguesWhere AI/tech can help (and where it can de-humanize care)If you’re ready to move beyond procedures and protocols toward care that restores function and confidence, this episode is for you. Subscribe for more evidence-aware, practical conversations. Want to go deeper? Check the links below for Pete’s resources, upcoming self-management events, and the Modern Pain Podcast. The Pain Toolkit Learn how to deliver this type of care - Pain Practice OS ********************************************************************* 📸 - Follow us on Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/modernpaincare/ 🐦 - Follow us on Twitter - https://www.twitter.com/modernpaincare/ 🎙️ - Listen to our Podcast - https://www.modernpaincare.com ____________________________________ Modern Pain Care is a company dedicated to spreading evidence-based and person-centered information about pain, prevention, and overall fitness and wellness

    42 min
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The Modern Pain Podcast helps clinicians and patients better understand and treat pain. We bring clinicians, researchers, and patients together. Our focus is on returning the patient's voice back to healthcare. Brought to you by Modern Pain Care. 

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    Modern Pain Care
  • Years Active
    2018 - 2025
  • Episodes
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