EPISODE OVERVIEW This one’s a little different. I sat down with Natalie Novak and Ron Webb, co-founders of Kindness Powered Skincare, to dig into my deluxe sample content theory through the lens of a brand that has before-and-after photos... and still has to earn every bit of belief. If you sell a service (or anything people can’t hold in their hands), listen for how they handle big claims, skeptical buyers, and the gap between “intrigued” and “okay, I’ll try it.” IN THIS EPISODE YOU’LL LEARN... Why “impressed and skeptical at the same time” is where your buyer sits when they hear a big claimWhy free samples end up in the closet (and what that means for your freebies)How KPS uses education, quizzes, guarantees, and partial protocols to let people try before they commitWhat one founder looks for before investing in a coaching programHow a risk-reversal offer builds trust faster than a pitchWhy trend chasing can cost you trust in a fast-moving marketKEY TAKEAWAYS AND CONCEPTS Visible proof gets attention, but in an industry full of smoke and mirrors, people still want to experience something for themselves before they believe itA sample needs a job. Giving something away doesn’t mean anyone uses it (one KPS jar sat in a closet for five years)Education is a form of sampling. When people understand the why behind your work, they’re more willing to try itFor service businesses, the best sample improves something your person is already doing... a tip, a tool, or a small assignment that shows what working with you would feel likePeople can feel when something is trend driven, and trend chasing can shift from keeping you cutting edge to corroding trustASK YOURSELF What would someone need to know and experience from you before a big claim about your work feels believable? ABOUT NATALIE NOVAK AND RON WEBB Natalie Novak is the co-founder of Kindness Powered Skincare, a licensed esthetician, certified oncology esthetician, master gardener, and clean-beauty advocate. Before Kindness Powered Skincare, Natalie founded Keeki Pure and Simple, a tween line of organic skincare created around safer, kinder products for younger skin. Her work is rooted in a deep respect for the skin, the body, and the natural world, bringing the heart of the company to life through effective skincare that supports sensitive, aging, and compromised skin without harshness.Ron Webb is the co-founder of Kindness Powered Skincare and the systems thinker behind much of the company’s nutrient-signaling philosophy. Ron spent 30 years in rocket and spacecraft development with McDonnell Douglas and The Boeing Company, founded three technology companies, and later founded Nature’s Intent. His background also includes plant drug research, animal wound-care applications, and more than 30 years studying nutrient signaling.Ron and Natalie met in Grand Rapids and their shared passion for clean beauty, skin repair, organic ingredients, and systems-level problem solving led them to team up and create Kindness Powered Skincare — a regenerative skincare and body-care company built around the idea that skin is a living system that can repair, renew, hydrate, and behave more youthfully when given the right biological signals.→ KPS Essentials Website→ Instagram The Empathy Edge (1:1 Retainer) Your signature offers deserve more than word-of-mouth and make or break launches. Build a human-first sales system that balances strategy and nervous system safety. Learn to sell on evergreen, simplify your campaigns, and stay consistent, without launch stress or relying on referrals. → Learn More Say Less Sales Campaign Sprint A one-week sprint to fix stagnant or plateaued sales with emotionally intelligent, conversion-ready messaging that speaks to strangers, not just referrals. → Book a Sprint Marked Up Copy Audit Get detailed, personalized feedback on your sales page or email sequence so you can see exactly what’s working, what’s not, and what to say next. → Book an Audit