Hey Get Lippy Listeners! Here's a new episode from Marie Claire's new podcast - You're Gonna Want to Hear This! Hope you enjoy this chat with Tracy Hall! If you love it make sure you pop on over and subscribe, follow or hit the + sign to You're Gonna Want to Hear This wherever you like to watch or listen to your podcasts! 🎧 Listen to You're Gonna Want to Hear This and follow us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/@marieclaireauThe episode: What happens when the person you loved, the person you trusted with your future, wasn’t who they said they were? Marie Claire Australia Editor Georgie McCourt sits down with author, advocate and marketing executive Tracy Hall, whose extraordinary story became known through the hit investigative podcast Who the Hell Is Hamish? Tracy was Hamish McLaren’s final known victim, after an 18-month relationship, she discovered that the man she knew as Max Tavita was in fact one of Australia’s most notorious con men. He had stolen $317,000 of her life savings. Now, years after her story first captivated listeners, Tracy joins Georgie to tell the story in her own words. From falling in love with a man who appeared to share her values and ambitions, to discovering that almost everything she knew about him was a lie. Tracy takes us inside the sophisticated manipulation that kept her from seeing what was happening, including the slow-building relationship, the carefully manufactured similarities, future promises and conversations about money that ultimately led to her investing her savings. She explains why romance scams aren’t about intelligence or naivety, why anyone can be vulnerable to manipulation, and why the shame should belong with the perpetrator, not the victim. She also talks about The Last Victim, her memoir about the experience, and the work she is now doing to advocate for safer online dating, financial empowerment and a different way of talking about victims of scams. She explains why she believes dating apps need stronger identity verification, what happened when she discovered Hamish had appeared on a dating app again, and why she wants better safeguards in place before her own daughter enters the world of online dating. And in one of the most timely parts of the conversation, Tracy explores the next generation of deception, AI scams, deepfakes and voice cloning and why “trust literacy” may become as important as financial and digital literacy. This episode covers: Tracy Hall’s role as Hamish McLaren’s last known victim Her story as featured in Who the Hell Is Hamish? Meeting Hamish, who she knew as Max Tavita, on a dating app How an 18-month relationship was carefully constructed The manipulation tactics and warning signs she missed How $317,000 of her savings was stolen Why intelligent, successful people can become victims of romance scams The psychological impact of intimate fraud and betrayal Rebuilding her confidence, identity and ability to trust Becoming financially empowered after the scam Writing The Last Victim Victim blaming and the language we use around scams Why dating apps need stronger safety measures Hamish McLaren appearing on a dating app after his release Dating again and learning to trust herself “Trust literacy” and navigating deception in the digital age. AI scams, deepfakes and voice cloning Why shame belongs with the perpetrator, not the victim See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
