In the latest episode of "Student Affairs Voices from the Field," host Dr. Jill Creighton welcomes special guests Dr. Jackie Clark and Dr. Jeannette Smith, co-editors of the pivotal new book Student Affairs Professional Preparation: A Scholar-Practitioner Guide to Contemporary Topics. This episode invites listeners into a rich conversation at the intersection of theory and practical application—providing timely insights for anyone invested in the future of student affairs. The conversation opens with Dr. Jeannette Smith and Dr. Jackie Clark sharing their personal journeys—stories marked by being first-generation college students, transformative mentorship, and finding unexpected career paths in higher education. Their backgrounds set the stage for discussing the book's intent: providing accessible, relevant, and actionable guidance for both practitioners and faculty in student affairs. Central to the episode is the exploration of what "curriculum" means in the context of student affairs. Dr. Jeannette Smith highlights the importance of recognizing that education happens not only in classrooms, but through every facet of student engagement—from athletics to advising—each with its own learning outcomes and developmental opportunities. Dr. Jackie Clark emphasizes how the book is structured to bridge traditional curriculum topics, such as those defined by professional standards, with emerging and overlooked areas in the field. The book, as the guests explain, is more than an edited volume—it's an invitation to dialogue. Each chapter brings together scholar and practitioner voices in co-authored discussions that move seamlessly between research and practical wisdom. Listeners hear about standout chapters tackling institutional politics, supervision, counseling skills, and the unique dynamics of various institutions such as tribal colleges and historically Black institutions. The collective energy and care behind the book's creation shine through their descriptions, reflecting the collaborative spirit at the heart of student affairs. As the conversation turns to enhancing career pathways and wellbeing, Dr. Jeannette Smith and Dr. Jackie Clark stress the importance of providing resources for professional development, fostering a culture of mentorship and recognition, and leading with transparency and kindness. Whether you're a graduate student, an emerging practitioner, or a seasoned faculty member, this episode offers both affirmation and intellectual provocation. Tune in to hear why community, curiosity, and courage are more vital than ever in shaping the future of student affairs—and get inspired to pick up a copy of this indispensable new guide. Don't miss this thoughtful exchange, and be part of the ongoing conversation pushing student affairs forward. Listen now! TRANSCRIPT Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:01]: Welcome to Student Affairs Voices from the Field, the podcast where we share your student affairs stories from fresh perspectives to seasoned experts. Brought to you by NASPA, we curate free and accessible professional development for higher ed professionals wherever you happen to be. This is Season 15, Enhancing the Career Pathways and Well-Being of Student Affairs Professionals. I'm Dr. Jill Creighton, she/her/hers, your SA Voices from the Field host. Today on SA Voices, we're pleased to introduce you to 2 scholars who have Today we introduce a new edited volume to the student affairs literature. Our first guest is Dr. Jacque Clark, who is currently the director of a PhD program in leadership studies, as well as an MED in higher education and student affairs at St. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:00:44]: Martin's University. In addition, she leads the graduate council in her role as director of graduate programs and policy. She completed her PhD at the University of Georgia in 2017 and is currently in her 9th year as a faculty member. She enjoys trying new recipes, taking scenic trips, and visiting museums and exhibitions of all kinds. Our second guest is Dr. Jeanette Smith, who completed her undergraduate and graduate studies at the University of Nevada, Reno. Her research areas of interest include higher education administration and retention and persistence of students from traditionally underrepresented communities. Her doctoral journey was informed by a curiosity about decision makers and led to a hermeneutic phenomenological qualitative study on policy. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:01:21]: That work has infused every position she's held with the belief that approaching policy from an equitable lens can contribute to dismantling oppressive structures in post-secondary attainment. A first-generation college graduate, Dr. Smith is intentional in collaboratively working across the college to holistically support students through their curricular and co-curricular experience. Dr. Smith has worked in academic advising, residence life, financial aid, student unions and facilities, grant management, student engagement, and foundation stewardship. She currently serves as the Vice President for Student Affairs at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts, and she resides in Western Massachusetts with her spouse, kids, and one puppy named Porkchop. Welcome to SA Voices, Jeanette. Dr. Jeannette Smith [00:02:01]: Hello. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:02]: And welcome, Jackie. Dr. Jeannette Smith [00:02:03]: Hi, Jill. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:02:04]: We are looking forward to speaking with you both today about the edited volume that you've put out. The book is called Student Affairs Professional Preparation: A Scholar-Practitioner Guide to Contemporary Topics. And your book has an incredible number of contributors and different topics that are really relevant to student affairs pathways and development today. I think it's one of those great editions that really focuses on practical advice for our student affairs careers. So we're going to talk more about that as we get into the episode, but as we always like to start, we'd love to know how you got to your current seat. Jeanette, let's start with you. Dr. Jeannette Smith [00:02:38]: Thanks, Jill. Thank you for having us. This is really fun. I would say for me, it starts with my mama. I'm a first-gen student from a little bit of a traumatic childhood, and my mama's work ethic was like no other. She did not finish high school, and I grew up in Vegas. She worked in the casinos as a maid for 14 years or so, and she didn't really know anything about college, but she knew that she supported me and wanted the best for me and really pushed me to try my best. So in high school, there was a counselor from the University of Nevada, Reno who came to our school, and she asked me if I was poor and if I had good grades, and I said yes to both. Dr. Jeannette Smith [00:03:22]: And she said, I will get you to college for free, which I thought, absolutely, I don't know anything else, but I'm going gonna follow her and trust her. But when I got there, like many first-gen students, I struggled. I didn't know how to navigate some of the academic pieces. And I was most excited about some of the basic needs pieces, that there was always food, that there was always heat, that there was always water. And I focused on the social aspects more than my classes. So it was a series of RAs and other staff in housing and academic tutoring and counseling who really helped me to be successful Towards the end of that first year. At that time, I didn't know that that was an entire field of people and a career path for me. It wasn't until I graduated and came back for a wedding that a mentor said, hey, I want you to consider coming back here to work full-time as a grad student and to learn more about student affairs. Dr. Jeannette Smith [00:04:20]: Maybe a month after that, I was called because there was an emergency hire that they needed, and I was like, yes, Please sign me up. So I got to know more about housing and residence life and academic advising and graduate school and just testing the waters and learning all of these different places that I could step in to support students like me. So I would say there were people in my life who I just value so much, and I always feel like I was surrounded by these incredible women who were breaking boundaries of what it's like to be professional, quote unquote, and work in higher ed and have families and be able to set the path for them. that really looked like I could do it. So that's really how I got started. From there, I worked in housing, financial aid, student unions, facilities management. I bopped around and, and worked outside of Chicago, worked in Olympia, Washington, and eventually landed here at Massachusetts College of Liberal Arts, where I serve as the Vice President for Student Affairs. And I absolutely love it. Dr. Jeannette Smith [00:05:25]: I get to support staff in doing all of that day-to-day, face-to-face, on-the-ground work. I get to help try to contribute to creating a positive, healthy work environment where there's recognition and camaraderie. And I get to see students all the time. We're a small campus, and so students are in and out of my office daily. And I love that I still get to interact with students, 'cause sometimes when you get to this level, you don't get to see students as much, but I see them every day. And it's a really wonderful field that I didn't know was a field, like so many of us. Dr. Jill Creighton [00:06:00]: Jeanette, thank you so much for sharing your journey into the profession. I think we always have such non-traditional routes. I guess that's to say there's no such thing as a traditional route into a VP Student Affairs role. But I love to hear that there was somebody who saw you, believed in you, and said, I'm going to help you get there from the beginning. And Jackie, same question for you. Can you tell us your story of how you got to your current seat in higher ed? Dr. Jackie Clark [00: