Episode Notes [“We Don’t Talk About Bruno,” from Encanto] Trent: Hello everyone, and welcome to Episode One of Pop Chaos, your one-stop shop for pop culture. If you did your homework, you just listened to episode zero. We’re not introducing ourselves again. But I’m Trent. Bailey: I’m Bailey and you just said we’re not going to introduce ourselves, yet here we are. Trent: This week we’re talking about Spider-Man, right? No Way Home. Bailey: We are going to talk about a lot of things. Spider-Man… Trent: Encanto. Bailey: Encanto for sure. Trent: What was the other thing? Bailey: There were some other things we were going to talk about. Trent (overlapping): Such as? Bailey: For one, Elmo, I wanted to bring up. Trent: Oh yeah, you need to explain to me what is going on with Elmo. Bailey: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then maybe just like some, some other shows that are big and coming up right now. I was thinking about mentioning, you know, Succession. Euphoria season two is coming out. Trent: Oh yeah, have not seen Succession. Bailey: Well, I don’t know. The big two we’re gonna talk about are Encanto and Spider-Man-slash-Andrew Garfield. The resurgence. He’s big right now. Very big. Trent: That’s true. Should we – we should just get right into Spider-Man. He is huge, actually, on Twitter and like TikTok. There – I saw a tweet that was like, “The K-Pop-ification of Andrew Garfield.” I think people were like, “Stream The Amazing Spider-Man,” to get him that recognition. Bailey: Well, so I’m curious. I just want to double-check real quick how old he is. Trent (overlapping): We’ll embed that. Bailey: I want to check how old he is. Trent (overlapping): He’s like in his late 30s, I want to say. Bailey: Ooh! So I looked him up on Google. Trent (in the background): 45. Bailey: And unfortunately, he’s shorter than both of us. That's … yeah… Trent (gasping): With his hair, it’s fine. Bailey: He’s 5’10”. That's true. His hair like defies gravity, so. Trent: Wait, no but how old is he? Bailey: He is 38 years old. Trent: What’d I tell you? Late 30s. Bailey: Yeah, he looks great for his age. Did you watch – sorry, we were gonna talk about Spider-Man. But did you watch tick, tick… BOOM!, because it’s on topic? Trent: No, so I saw like the trailer. Bailey (in the background): Okay. Trent: I did not – okay. Not to bring up Andrew Garfield’s hair again. I cannot get past his hair in the trailer. It looks, I think personally – Bailey: It looks like Jonathan Larson’s hair though, who he’s portraying. Trent (overlapping): I know. But that doesn’t mean I like it. Bailey: Okay. So you’re just not gonna watch the entire movie because of his hair? It was too bouncy? Trent: Correct. Bailey: It did … it did look… Trent: It looks like he’s like a mad scientist and it blew up. Bailey: Yeah, it looks like he touched one of those little balls that makes you – WOOOOO! Trent: Those electric balls – Bailey (joking): But like not in a gay way. Yeah, and it also – Trent (laughing): …Bailey… Bailey: I dunno, it also looks like … I don’t know, I think it looked kind of bouncy, kind of good, like kind of shampoo commercial sort of… Yeah. Trent (overlapping): Anyway, Spider-Man: No Way Home. Bailey (in the background): Yeah, enough about Andrew Garfield’s hair. Trent: Andrew Garfield’s done. What did you think of No Way Home? Bailey (overlapping): Well okay, first off, spoiler alert. Like if you have not seen it. Trent: Oh, yeah, obviously. If you haven’t seen Spider-Man or Encanto, we’re talking about both of those. Bailey: Yeah, let me not shame you though because if you don’t want to go to the movie theater right now, that is a-okay. But also, what are you doing? You got to see this g-dang movie. I don’t know. I… I did like, I binge-watched all the other Spider-Man movies. Trent (overlapping): Like all – like, all seven of them? Bailey: Yeah, pretty much. For the most – yeah, I think I missed a couple the first time around. But then after the movie, I watched – I’ve seen all of them. Mostly, my goal was to re-watch the Tobey [McGuire] ones because I was never a huge fan of those. So I had to re-watch them. Trent (overlapping): Not that. Bailey: I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry. Trent: It’s okay. So I’m actually on the – well, I know I’ve definitely seen the Tobey ones. I actually don’t know if I’ve seen Andrew Garfield. Sorry. Bailey (overlapping): Are you f-ing serious? Trent: And I know for a fact that I have not seen Spider-Man: Homecoming or Spider-Man: Far From Home. I did not see those. Bailey (overlapping): How are we friends? And you went to go see No Way Home? Trent: Yeah, cuz my friends were going and I was like, “Lemme…” Bailey: You… so if your friends jumped off a bridge, would you do it too? Is that what I’m hearing? Trent: I would. Listen, why are they jumping off the bridge, you know? Bailey: Trent. Trent: No Way Home, because he’s jumping off a literal bridge, yeah. Trent (in the background): Let’s investigate. Investigative journalism. I would. But I liked it. Bailey: No, I'm sorry. Okay. On Tobey Maguire’s Spider-Man. I like them. I like them. I appreciate them, the nostalgia. The first one I think is really great. Mary Jane slayed. Her hair … I love her. This is literally the most irrelevant thing to the actual movies, but I love her hair in the first movie like the dark like orange. I love it. The third movie, I … it’s painful to watch. It’s really, really hard to watch. Trent: It’s been a while but I looked at the Rotten Tomatoes scores like a while ago and it’s like the lowest by far. I’m like, what happened to that movie? Bailey: Yeah, well, I don’t, I don’t dictate my life and what I watch by Rotten Tomatoes scores. Trent: Oh no, I don’t either. Bailey: Because I think that they – no yeah – I think they totally lie all the time – Trent (in the background): For the reporting. For the reporting. Bailey: And I’m a huge fan of a good bad movie. You literally can look behind me here. Trent (in the background): Oh, for sure. Bailey: There’s a Ma poster on the wall. It’s one of the best good-bad movies ever made. But the third Spider-Man movie is genuinely just too hard to watch. Like I had to look away like when he’s like doing the whole walk down the street. He’s got like the “Where are you?” emo hair. I can’t, he looks so greasy! Trent (in the background): That is so funny! His weird emo hair? It’s so bad. Bailey: Yeah, so I don’t know. Trent: Okay, my question – who is your Spider-Man? Like out of the three, who is your Spider-Man? Bailey: I think you know the answer to that. Trent: Well then why don’t you say it? Bailey: It’s Andrew Garfield. Trent: Of course. Mine is Tobey. Bailey: Because I grew up, I – Okay, I loved the Andrew Garfield Spider-Mans and I always had to defend them and I’m so glad that people are finally recognizing that he is amazing. Like I’m sorry, the second one was a hot mess, there was just too much going on. That’s not his fault though. Acting-wise, he ate. He ate and the thing for me is, for Andrew Garfield Spider-Man … especially like … the characters have so much chemistry. They do, specifically Gw– you have to, like you have to watch them. The Andrew Garfield – Trent: Wait, I actually think I saw the first one cuz I remember the scene where like he’s at Gwen’s house for dinner. That’s all I remember though. Bailey: Yeah, eating the branzino. The fish. Yeah, so the first like for example, the first Spider-Man, when I'm watching like Toby like I watched all three of those movies … I did fall asleep a little bit during the second one … I’m so sorry. Trent (overlapping): Of course. You missed the lore, you missed the most important part, missed Doc Ock’s background. Bailey: I’m so sorry! I did like the second one, though. But, it didn’t make me feel that much. It really didn’t, and I love Willem Dafoe too, like he's one of my favorite actors. I love him in like some of my favorite video games like Beyond Two Souls. He’s amazing. He’s such a good actor. He slayed in No Way Home. He was so good. But the gag is is that – Trent: What’s the gag? Bailey: The gag is that the Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man makes me feel so much, like I cried twice. I cried when Uncle Ben dies. It makes you feel so much, like they build up so much with the characters. When like Uncle Ben died in Tobey’s movies, I did not cry, I didn’t feel anything. Trent (sarcastic): Uncle Ben died? gasp Bailey: gasp Guys, I’m so sorry! So sorry! Trent: Iconic Spider-Man moment, oops! Bailey: Oh my God, Spider-Man wears red and blue? Oh my God! Trent: Wait, he’s a spider? And a man? Bailey: Wait, a spider bit him? Oh, god… No, but literally like it makes me feel so much. And Gwen, like Emma – Emma Stone is incredible. Trent: That’s true, she’s great as Gwen. Bailey: I just rewatched Easy A because I’ve been seeing so many Gwen Stacy edits and I was like, “I love this woman and I need to rewatch.” Because she just, she ate. She’s so good, and she and Andrew, obviously they dated. All the Spider-Mans, they’ve all like dated their Mary Janes or whatever. Trent (overlapping): They did? I didn’t know that. Oh, I guess that makes sense. Bailey: Yeah, they all have. Really? Yeah, MJ and Tobey – like Tobey and Kirsten Dunst dated, Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone dated, and now Tom Holland and Zendaya, yeah. Trent: Wait, iconic. Bailey: Yeah, so. But I don’t know. I just think that Gwen and Andrew had the best chemistry, and they were so, so good. And I love those movies so much. Trent: That’s fair, that’s fair. I would say mine is Tobey, just because that’s the one I remember seeing, that's what I grew up on. And I have not, I don’t know. Andrew Garfield, when I watched it a