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Welcome to the Real World Behavioural Science (RWBS) podcast, where we look at how behavioural and social sciences are being used in the real world to help change the public’s health, for good.
The RWBS podcast is created by the Behavioural Science and Public Health Network (www.BSPHN.org.uk) and is aimed at people working in public health, academia and industry, who have an interest in how behavioural science is being used to improve health and wellbeing.
Each month, Stu King (BSPHN Committee Member and founder & CEO of behaviour change specialists BeeZee Bodies) interviews professionals from the worlds of public health, academia and industry, who are using behavioural science to help change people’s lives.

We have episodes featuring:
- Professor Jim McManus - Co-founder of the BSPHN & Director of Public Health, Hertfordshire County Council, UK
- Dr Amy Bucher – Behavioural Scientist at MadPow, Boston, USA
- Dr Nick Cavill – Quasi-academic and Director of a Public Health Consultancy, UK
- Professor Chris Armitage – Professor of Health Psychology, University of Manchester, UK
- Rich Sheridan – CEO and Chief Storyteller at Menlo Innovations, Ann Arbour, USA
- Dr Justin Varney - Director of Public Health at Birmingham City Council, UK
- Mike Kelly - Visiting Fellow at Cambridge University Institute of Public Health, UK
- Wendy Wills - University of Hertfordshire
- Kim Roberts - HENRY
We have some great guests in the pipeline from across industry, public health and academia and from across the world, including:
- Samuel Salzer - Habits Weekly, Sweden
- Tim Chadborn - PHE Behavioural Insights Team

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Welcome to the Real World Behavioural Science (RWBS) podcast, where we look at how behavioural and social sciences are being used in the real world to help change the public’s health, for good.
The RWBS podcast is created by the Behavioural Science and Public Health Network (www.BSPHN.org.uk) and is aimed at people working in public health, academia and industry, who have an interest in how behavioural science is being used to improve health and wellbeing.
Each month, Stu King (BSPHN Committee Member and founder & CEO of behaviour change specialists BeeZee Bodies) interviews professionals from the worlds of public health, academia and industry, who are using behavioural science to help change people’s lives.

We have episodes featuring:
- Professor Jim McManus - Co-founder of the BSPHN & Director of Public Health, Hertfordshire County Council, UK
- Dr Amy Bucher – Behavioural Scientist at MadPow, Boston, USA
- Dr Nick Cavill – Quasi-academic and Director of a Public Health Consultancy, UK
- Professor Chris Armitage – Professor of Health Psychology, University of Manchester, UK
- Rich Sheridan – CEO and Chief Storyteller at Menlo Innovations, Ann Arbour, USA
- Dr Justin Varney - Director of Public Health at Birmingham City Council, UK
- Mike Kelly - Visiting Fellow at Cambridge University Institute of Public Health, UK
- Wendy Wills - University of Hertfordshire
- Kim Roberts - HENRY
We have some great guests in the pipeline from across industry, public health and academia and from across the world, including:
- Samuel Salzer - Habits Weekly, Sweden
- Tim Chadborn - PHE Behavioural Insights Team

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    24. Angel Chater, Professor of Health Psychology & Behaviour Change & Falko Sniehotta, Professor of Behavioural Medicine & Health Psychology

    24. Angel Chater, Professor of Health Psychology & Behaviour Change & Falko Sniehotta, Professor of Behavioural Medicine & Health Psychology

    Professor Angel Chater is a Chartered Psychologist, Associate Fellow of The British Psychological Society and a Health & Sport & Exercise Psychologist with the Health & Care Professionals Council. She is a Professor in Health Psychology and Behaviour Change at the University of Bedfordshire, where she leads the centre in health, wellbeing and behaviour change. She is also an Honorary Senior Lecturer in Health Psychology and Behavioural Medicine at UCL and past Chair of the British Psychological Society Division of Health Psychology and passionate about the scientific application of health psychology to public health and its role in intervention design.  
    Professor Falko Sniehotta is Director of the NIHR Policy Research Unit for Behavioural Science, past President of the European Health Psychology Society, associate editor of The Health Psychology Review and member of the editorial board of Psychology & Heath and British Journal of Health Psychology. His work is recognised through honorary fellowships at the Academy of Social Science, the European Health Psychology Society, the American Psychological Association and the UK Behavioural Science in Public Health Network. His international research programme aims at developing and testing interventions to change behaviours relevant to health and healthcare. 
    A multidisciplinary opportunity…
    Professor Sniehotta explains the implied idea that behavioural science and medicine are both multidisciplinary areas, not necessary distinctly different, and how the terms have been adapted through the years away from the medical to understanding in the way of behaviour. Both he and Professor Chater discuss the exciting opportunities that come from collaboration across the disciplines, how 'coming out of the ivory towers' of Universities can extend science in this way and make real positive change. 
    Changing the conversation…
    Professor Chater explains times in her career where behaviour change work has had a direct, positive impact on people and populations from both a lobbying perspective and a research perspective, with the the Active Herts programme as a successful example of how behaviour change research helped develop a programme to encourage physical activity.  
    Examples of ‘Bench to Bedside’ translation…
    From this Professor Sniehotta adds about his ‘bench to bedside’ work with Professor Roy Taylor, Professor of Medicine and Metabolism at Newcastle University, to understand how to deliver an intervention that is powerful enough to achieve substantial weight loss in people living with Type-II Diabetes and how to implement this in primary care practices which has been a great success.  
    Teaching the foundations of behavioural science at schools…
    Stu and Angel debate the benefits that could arise as adults if we had learnt the foundations of behavioural science and health psychology as children at school. Could this limit those engaging in negative behaviours when they’re older? Could this tear down more barriers to leading healthier, happier lifestyles as adults?
    Falko expands on this by adding that to make real changes there are often three issues; funding, the narrative and the methods.
    Contact
    Professor Angel Chater: Twitter / Linkedin
    Professor Falko Sniehotta: Twitter / Linkedin

    • 56 min
    22. Professor Sharyn Rundle-Thiele (Founding Director of Social Marketing at Griffith University)

    22. Professor Sharyn Rundle-Thiele (Founding Director of Social Marketing at Griffith University)

    Professor Sharyn Rundle-Thiele is a social marketer and behavioural scientist. She is the Founding Director of Social Marketing at Griffith University, Queensland, Australia, which is the largest university-based group of social marketers in the world. 
    She is Founding Co-Editor of the Journal of Social Marketing, has led projects that have changed behaviours for 10,000’s of people in areas including health, the environment and for complex social issues, has published more than 150 books and been awarded The Philip Kotler Social Marketing Distinguished Service Award.

    Differences between marketing & social marketing
    Sharyn begins this episode by explaining how marketing can be applied across commercial and social outcomes, but also applied to ideas and social issues. She grew into the decision to move away from being a commercial marketer to a social one which has led her to be even more creative in order to change behaviours for the long term.

    How to sell more wine, to more people, more often
    Starting her career marketing consumer goods, Sharyn liked the art of what she was doing but wanted to learn more, so went back to University to do a Masters and then on to do a PhD. Her PhD became famously, how to sell more wine to more people more often!

    Having enjoyed the educational setting of her time at University, Sharyn went on to to teach social marketing focusing predominantly on social, health and environmental issues and founded the Journal of Social Marketing to create more space for researches to publish work.

    Social marketing is much more than social media
    Sharyn goes on to explain that a natural misconception is that social marketing relates simply to social media.  It is instead the idea of marketing in a social space. There is a branding issue behind what social marketing is, and is not.

    She discusses how when you're working in the space of social change and your programme isn't get the uptake, its because you're selling the wrong thing. And we need to take a step back, and look at selling people something that they really want. That's where the real work begins.

    Coca Cola sell lifestyle, not product
    In reference to selling a lifestyle rather than just a product, Sharyn talks about how Coca Cola have done an effective job of building the associations in our minds that Coca Cola is family, fun and good times, giving links that go way beyond a beverage quenching a thirst.

    In relation to the health industry, she talks about whether messaging focuses too much on the health issue and we're getting the whole 'sell' wrong, needing to review what will really move and motivate people in order to stop missing the mark.

    Recent projects
    Sharyn moves on to highlight some of her projects; a social marketing pilot campaign to keep leaves out of waterways to improve water quality, the Leave it campaign working to reduce koala and dog interactions given that dog attacks are the third most common cause of death amongst Koalas and the Blurred Minds project, changing the way adolescents feel about alcohol.

    Takeaway Advice
    Drawing on her marketing experience, Sharyn talks about the magic combination of listening well and giving people what they want. And keep doing it until you get it right.

    Data is great, but it's only looking backwards. It's the intuition and learning how to find what should happen next that is key. 

    Behaviour change means you can't do what you've always done. It takes courage.

    Contact
    Twitter
    Linkedin

    • 56 min
    21. Richard Wiseman (Professor of Public Understanding of Psychology at the University of Hertfordshire)

    21. Richard Wiseman (Professor of Public Understanding of Psychology at the University of Hertfordshire)

    Professor Richard Wiseman has been described as ‘…one of the most interesting and innovative experimental psychologists in the world today.’  His books have sold over 3 million copies and he presents keynote talks to organisations across the world, including The Swiss Economic Forum, Google and Amazon.
    He holds Britain’s only Professorship in the Public Understanding of Psychology at the University of Hertfordshire and is one of the most followed psychologists on Twitter.

    Street Magician to Psychology Professor
    Richard starts the podcast by talking about becoming completely hooked on magic at a young age. Whilst working in Covent Garden as a street magician,  Richard happened upon a magic book which described the similarities between magicians and psychologists. So began his interest in psychology.

    After completing his undergraduate degree at University College London (UCL), he went to Edinburgh University to work on a PhD looking at psychics and mediums as the team wanted someone with a background in the psychology of deception and magic. Upon completing that, Richard accepted a Lectureship at the University of Hertfordshire where he is now a professor.

    Public Understanding of Psychology
    Through work for radio and the BBC around identifying truth and lies, Richard talks about meeting two people that hugely impacted his career; Roger Highfield, who was the Science Editor at The Telegraph at the time and now is heavily involved in the Science Museum, and also Simon Singh, author of Fermat's Last Theorem.

    Putting ideas to paper
    Richard shares what he learnt from some time working in advertising, how to reframe and the importance of authenticity as a writer. In line with this, he talks about his book, The Luck Factor, looking at the psychology of luck. From this, he identified that small interventions can have big impact, which evolved into 59 seconds; think a little, change a lot.

    Behavioural Science
    Richard discusses how all the talks he gives are essentially about getting people to change, through simple interventions or 'opening the door' in a fun way. From these concepts, he wrote 'Rip it Up' about lifestyle change and during Covid-19, helped design a game where the more you kept away from people, the more lives you saved called 'Can you save the World?'.

    Richard talks about 'being expansive', working with Derren Brown who takes the audience on a journey from what seems a small idea through to what becomes a massive conclusion enthralling an entire audience.

    Takeaway Advice
    Richard leaves us with advice to find your passionate, be authentic and have a big vision. Don't be constrained by what others have done in the past and fundamentally, if you have a great idea, it will sell itself. 
     
    Contact
    Twitter @RichardWiseman
    CBC profile

    • 53 min
    19. BSPHN Committee Leads - Dr Michelle Constable, Professor Angel Chater, Dr Neil Howlett & Professor Jim McManus

    19. BSPHN Committee Leads - Dr Michelle Constable, Professor Angel Chater, Dr Neil Howlett & Professor Jim McManus

    This is a special episode with the Current Chair, Past Chair, and Past-Past Chair and Treasurer of the BSPHN!  Having had the BSPHN's annual conference in February, this is the perfect time to get some of the founding committee members together.

    We begin by understanding how each member of the committee found their way to creating the BSPHN and how the collaboration between health psychology, behavioural science and public health is becoming more and more integral.

    The group discussed the recent virtual BSPHN conference, which centred on behavioural practice within the Covid pandemic. There has also been great interdisciplinary and rapid insight work during the pandemic, which highlights how crucial this is for future work to solve big public health issues. It may also have removed some of the barriers between academia and implementation as the proof of success is clear to see.
    They also celebrated some of the opportunities of the online format - allowing live chat and conversation between people during presentations so discussions could be had which isn't as possible during a presentation in a room.

    Is the BSPHN for you?
    The group talk about why they think can benefit: health psychologists, behavioural scientists, sociologists, those in Public Health looking for insight in applying those things. It is for all levels - trainees, practitioners, policy makers at every level to get skills to use everyday. It's the kind of group they would have wanted when they were starting out or looking to develop or speak to people.

    Where is the BSPHN going?
    It's a movement for change which is creating a  nurturing relationship between sectors, removing the 'stand-offishness' people might feel in other contexts or groups. They creating supportive pathways and roles between current, sometimes isolated, teams in public health and behavioural insight work.

    If you are interested in joining or learning more, check out the BSPHN website.

    Hope you enjoy the podcast - please leave a review wherever you listen.

    • 42 min
    18. Dan Makoski (Chief Design Officer at Lloyds Banking Group)

    18. Dan Makoski (Chief Design Officer at Lloyds Banking Group)

    The BSPHN's Annual Conference is running from 9th - 11th February 2021. Sign up to attend now and get a year's free membership.

    Stu is joined by Dan Makoski; an executive that brings an organisation’s deepest purpose to life by weaving technology and strategy together through brilliant design.
    Dan is  Chief Design Officer at Lloyds Banking Group, leading a multi-disciplinary human-centred team with the goal of helping Britain prosper through empathetic & pioneering design.
    He was Head of Design at Walmart (the Fortune 1), started Project ARA at Google, designed the original Surface at Microsoft, led design research globally at Motorola, and was the first VP of Design at Capital One.
    Dan knows seven versions of the running man & in addition to being bald, Dan & Stu (& finance & health), have lots in common.
    Dan talks about his experiences of connecting a historically transactional world with real human behaviour. The pair discuss the fact that heavily regulated industries like health, finance & education are risk averse due to their importance,  & therefore suffer from the unintended consequence of lack of creativity & human focus. They also discuss the need to flip our approach to language...

    "Banking has operated so far on the presumption that to help people, they need to make people financially literate. What we're explaining is that banking has to learn the language of people."

    Dan explains simple approaches to adopt when beginning the process of designing around people, including developing personas, scenarios & interactions to better respond to human behaviour. He explains how through extensive research, Lloyds have moved from a "customer journey" approach to a "life journey" approach to help people connect banking with relatable life moments.

    He also shares example of using behavioural economics in practice, including the locus of control, and how, implemented in the design of banking products, it helps people make better financial decisions.

    Stu & Dan discuss the similarities between health & financial wellbeing, the "goalposts" of relative progress vs absolute success & the feelings of guilt and shame associated. 

    Dan closes with positive messages that industries are moving in the right direction towards a human centred approach & hopes that once the pandemic has gone, the financial honesty & human focus will remain.
    The Social DilemmaDan: website, linkedin, twitterNudgestock presentation - 1:41:54Thisismoney.co.uk articleFintech Futures article

    • 1 hr 9 min
    CORONAVIRUS Mini-Series #9 (15th Dec) Conspiracy Theories - Prof Jim McManus & Dr Daniel Jolley

    CORONAVIRUS Mini-Series #9 (15th Dec) Conspiracy Theories - Prof Jim McManus & Dr Daniel Jolley

    Recorded 15th December 2020

    Guests:
    Professor Jim McManus - Director of Public Health at Hertfordshire County Council and VP of the Association of Directors of Public Health. He is a Chartered Psychologist, British Psychological Society Fellow & Co-Founder and Chair of the Behavioural Science and Public Health Network. 
    Dr Daniel Jolley - Snr Lecturer in Psychology at Northumbria University, Chartered Psychologist of the British Psychological Society & member of the Executive Committee of the Social Psychology Section. Daniel is a social psychologist with expertise in the psychology of conspiracy theories.
    Episode Description:
    In this coronavirus special, Stu talks with Jim and Dan about conspiracy theories - including what separates conspiratorial thinking from more simple questioning, and how as conspiracies become more familiar to us, they can also become more believable. 
    They explore the history of conspiracies, how they are nothing new and often accompany significant cultural or political change. In doing so, Dan demonstrates how beliefs in conspiracies are linked with higher anxiety and feelings of threat. 
    The group then go on to examine and tackle some conspiracies relating to COVID-19 and the vaccine:
    5G and worsening COVID-19 symptomsVaccines and side effects How could it have been developed so quickly?If it works why can't we stop social distancing?Vaccine contains nanoparticlesVaccine is being used for trackingWe don’t know what’s in itThe group also discuss how to bring people away from conspiracies, and how this starts with building back trust; having a genuine dialogue with compassion and establishing common ground.
    Additional resources:

    Go Viral! - game developed by University of Cambridge & UK Government. It gives a taste of the techniques and motivations behind the spread of coronavirus misinformation .
    NHS Why Vaccinations Are Important - how vaccines work, what they contain and the most common side effects.
    Contact:
    Dr Daniel Jolley: Website  & Twitter
    Professor Jim McManus: LinkedIn
    Stu King: LinkedIn, Twitter & Stu's Blogs

    • 42 min

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