Crossing Faiths

John Pinna and Elliot Toman

Crossing Faiths is a podcast where people from diverse religious backgrounds openly discuss everything you're NOT supposed to discuss at the dinner table. Join hosts Jt Pinna, a career national security, international affairs, and D.C. insider, and Elliot Toman, a former media director in the Evangelical church, as they engage in lively conversations about the impact of faith on current events. Crossing Faiths also welcomes guests from various religious and experiential backgrounds to share their insights. The podcast was initially developed in collaboration with Matt Hawkins, a former policy director for the Southern Baptist Convention. Their conversations are built on a decade of collaboration, advocating in Washington, D.C., for religious freedom domestically and globally. The two developed the podcast to share conversations that model friendship and cooperation despite profound differences in religion and background. The podcast has reached almost 3 million multi-faith listeners, 83% millennials.

  1. 18h ago

    211 - Naweed Kawusi

    In this episode of Crossing Faiths, John Pinna speaks with Naweed Kawusi, a former Colonel in the Afghan National Army and author of The Bleeding Nation, about his harrowing escape from Afghanistan during the 2021 collapse and his transition to life in Brazil. The conversation delves into the complex history of foreign intervention in Afghanistan, with Kawusi arguing that the nation’s "Gordian knot" of problems stems from a cycle of ethnic grievances and reliance on external benefactors rather than internal accountability. They explore the failures of the previous Republic, the self-interested legacy of Afghan warlords, and the strategic nature of the current Taliban regime. Ultimately, Kawusi emphasizes that long-term stability requires a shift away from "quick wins" and toward grassroots education and a unified Afghan identity that transcends historical divisions and foreign agendas. Naweed is former colonel with the Afghanistan National Defense and Security Forces starting off with the Afghan Commandos in 2002. Before the fall of Kabul in 2021, he was responsible for overseeing support and outreach to over 130 thousand police families across the 34 provinces of Afghanistan. He’s currently a Board Member of the Policing Center, an international policing and law enforcement think tank that focuses on conflict zone and post-conflict policing across the world. He has been the lead researcher and author for two policy briefs on Afghanistan. He’s an occasional contributor to Unpolitically Correct, a newsletter focused on the conflict, geopolitics and study of war survivors in South Central Asia and the region. He currently leads the offshore wind and fossil fuel phase out programs for EOPA as a Program Director. The Bleeding Nation on Barnes & Noble https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-bleeding-nation-naweed-kawusi/1150738508?ean=9786597649006

    211 - Naweed Kawusi

  2. Aug 17

    210 - John C. Havens

    In this episode of Crossing Faiths, John Pinna speaks with John Havens about the intersections of artificial intelligence, human dignity, and holistic well-being. Reflecting on his 2016 book Heartificial Intelligence: Embracing Our Humanity to Maximize Machines, Havens argues that the rush to automate and replicate human intelligence must be grounded in clear boundaries, ethical disclosures, and genuine care for human flourishing rather than mere economic productivity or artificial engagement. Throughout their dialogue, the two explore the psychological, ecological, and spiritual consequences of generative AI and large language models, warning against dangerous anthropomorphism and unvetted deployments that risk mental health harms, environmental resource drain, and the uncredited scraping of creators' work. Ultimately, Havens advocates for shifting focus away from narratives of human obsolescence toward the empirical science of positive psychology, life satisfaction, and grounded community relationships—such as the simple, irreplaceable value of baking bread and personal connection—asserting that true fulfillment and human worth exist independently of technological mediation. John C. Havens on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/stores/John-C.-Havens/author/B002BLX34G?ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1&qid=1786878592&sr=8-1&shoppingPortalEnabled=true&ccs_id=7afa3490-1d96-4003-873d-639d22d13cd7 John C. Havens on Unesco: https://www.unesco.org/ethics-ai/en/ai-ethics-experts-without-borders/john-havens

    210 - John C. Havens

  3. Aug 3

    209 - Ruth Reck

    In this episode of Crossing Faiths, John Pinna interviews Ruth Reck, a social media content creator who documents her visits to faith-based attractions and religious sites alongside her wife. The discussion centers on Reck’s experiences exploring young-earth creationist locations—such as the Ark Encounter and the Creation Museum—as well as evangelical megachurches. Reck shares her motivations for visiting these sites, driven by a curiosity about human psychology, concerns regarding the rise of Christian nationalism, and a desire to document the way religious narratives are packaged and commercialized. Throughout the conversation, Pinna and Reck reflect on the stark contrasts between literalist biblical interpretations and scientific consensus, the emotional and sensory tactics used to engage believers, the pervasive commercialization within these environments, and the broader social implications of indoctrination versus open, respectful dialogue across different belief systems. https://www.youtube.com/@ruthreckmedia

    209 - Ruth Reck

  4. Jul 27

    208 - Devan Patel

    In this episode of Crossing Faiths, John Pinna interviews Devan Patel, a lawyer and strategist who collaborates with multi-faith communities on technology, policy, and ethics. The discussion centers on the intersection of artificial intelligence, human dignity, and religious communities, particularly focusing on the Vatican's forward-looking involvement in the AI discourse. Patel shares details about the newly released papal encyclical Magnifica Humanitas issued by Pope Leo XIV, which addresses the safeguarding of human dignity in the age of AI. Drawing historical parallels to Pope Leo XIII's Rerum Novarum, which responded to the Industrial Revolution, the conversation explores how various global faith leaders are universally responding to the risks of AI—such as companion chatbots affecting youth—and how the Vatican’s receptive, human-centric framework provides a welcome platform for collaborative, cross-disciplinary dialogue on technology's future. Devan Patel is a Washington, D.C.-based lawyer, political strategist, and educator who operates at the intersection of law, faith, and technology. He is the founder and president of Crux Advisory Group, a fellow in AI ethics at the Rainey Center for Public Policy, and an adjunct professor of law at Notre Dame Law School. Throughout his career, Patel has focused heavily on legal strategy, public policy, and international AI ethics, which includes co-drafting the Electoral Count Reform Act, working on amendments for the Respect for Marriage Act, and convening industry leaders and faith figures at the Vatican to establish global ethical principles for artificial intelligence. https://www.devanpatel.com/

    208 - Devan Patel

  5. Jul 20

    207b - Jason Boyett (Reprise)

    In this episode of Crossing Faiths, John Pinna interviews Jason Boyett about the concept of collective effervescence—a term originally coined by sociologist Émile Durkheim to describe the intense burst of shared energy and emotion that occurs when people gather for regular religious rituals. Boyett explains that this phenomenon is essentially a neurochemical event driven by group synchronization, which increases endorphins and expands personal experience beyond the individual. The conversation explores how this phenomenon mirrors experiences found in modern secular settings, such as mass sporting events like the FIFA World Cup or large-scale concerts. They further discuss the multi-faith nature of collective effervescence, drawing parallels with experiences in Muslim and Christian worship, while noting the decline of traditional community gatherings in contemporary culture. Jason Boyett is a journalist and writer who has authored several books about religion and religious history. His writing has appeared in a variety of publications, from The Guardian to American Cowboy. He writes The Religiverse newsletter on Substack and is the cofounder of Brick & Elm, a regional magazine in the Texas Panhandle.

    207b - Jason Boyett (Reprise)

  6. Jul 13

    207 - Jason Boyett

    In this episode of Crossing Faiths, John Pinna interviews Jason Boyett to explore the deep cross-cultural and personal complexities of navigating different structural beliefs, focusing on how individuals form, question, and expand their understandings of faith. Boyette shares his journey from growing up in a conservative Southern Baptist tradition to writing 12 Major World Religions, emphasizing how taking an "outsider's perspective" can reveal logical inconsistencies within one's own background and foster genuine interfaith understanding. The two dissect the tribalism that exists not only between different religions but also as sectarian divisions within the same faith traditions, using specific examples from both Islam and Christianity. Additionally, they discuss the civic necessity of religious literacy in modern society and the evolving landscape of media, noting how platforms like Substack and short-form video on TikTok can be leveraged to deliver nuanced, objective religious journalism to younger audiences. Jason Boyett is a journalist and writer who has authored several books about religion and religious history. His writing has appeared in a variety of publications, from The Guardian to American Cowboy. He writes The Religiverse newsletter on Substack and is the cofounder of Brick & Elm, a regional magazine in the Texas Panhandle.

    207 - Jason Boyett

  7. Jun 15

    206 - We're Not Supposed to Be Here

    In this episode of Crossing Faiths, John Pinna and Elliot Toman discuss the multifaceted nature of religion, dynamic interpretations of Islamic principles, and the socioeconomic impacts of modern capitalism. The conversation begins with a casual sci-fi reference to Star Trek and quickly segments into a philosophical debate regarding whether religion is meant to enforce a collective societal order or serve as a strictly personal, inward-facing moral code. Pinna delves into standard Islamic principles, emphasizing the explicit historical allowance for non-Muslims, pluralism, and private free-will options under genuine Islamic law, highlighting how the faith’s spiritual intentions are often corrupted when fused with state governance, political violence, or totalitarian empires. This leads to a broader systemic critique of extreme modern capitalism, exploring how billionaires like Jeff Bezos use theoretical loopholes and "shell game" rhetoric to redirect conversations about wealth responsibility toward government inefficiency. The hosts contrast standard corporate structures with sovereign wealth funds and perpetual endowments. arguing that the super-wealthy should leverage their influence to address systemic crises rather than hoarding their wealth. Yesterday's Enterprise

    206 - We're Not Supposed to Be Here

  8. May 25

    205 - Rotten at the Warp Core

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    205 - Rotten at the Warp Core
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Crossing Faiths is a podcast where people from diverse religious backgrounds openly discuss everything you're NOT supposed to discuss at the dinner table. Join hosts Jt Pinna, a career national security, international affairs, and D.C. insider, and Elliot Toman, a former media director in the Evangelical church, as they engage in lively conversations about the impact of faith on current events. Crossing Faiths also welcomes guests from various religious and experiential backgrounds to share their insights. The podcast was initially developed in collaboration with Matt Hawkins, a former policy director for the Southern Baptist Convention. Their conversations are built on a decade of collaboration, advocating in Washington, D.C., for religious freedom domestically and globally. The two developed the podcast to share conversations that model friendship and cooperation despite profound differences in religion and background. The podcast has reached almost 3 million multi-faith listeners, 83% millennials.

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  • Creator
    John Pinna and Elliot Toman
  • Years Active
    2019 - 2026
  • Episodes
    217
  • Rating
    Clean
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    © 2026 Crossing Faiths
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