Teaching Literacy Podcast

Jake Downs

Bridging literacy research and practice. Hosted by Jake Downs.

  1. Aug 20

    E77|Long Words, Hard Texts; Scaffolding Upper Elementary Reading with Dr. Jake Downs

    In Episode 77 of the Teaching Literacy Podcast, guest host Dr. Laura Tortorelli sits down with Dr. Jake Downs to unpack a recent grade 3 intervention study published in Reading Research Quarterly with co-authors Freddy Hiebert, Kristin Conradi Smith, and Katie Martz. Together, they explore the demands of reading long, complex words and a straightforward blending routine for supporting multisyllabic word reading. They also discuss the need for supporting accuracy and automaticity in complex text and how to use the multisyllabic blending strategy with the repeated reading Read Like Us protocol. Plenty of takeaways for any upper elementary teacher, reading coach, or literacy support professional. Read the article here! No paywall!Downs, J., Hiebert, E., Conradi Smith, K., & Martz, K. (2026). Promoting reading accuracy and fluency outcomes with complex texts: A Grade 3 intervention comparison. Reading Research Quarterly. Advance online publication. https://doi.org/10.1002/rrq.70117 Episode Outline:0:00 Intro — Guest host Laura Tortorelli introduces the episode1:44 Study overview — Jake Downs et al. study comparing simplified vs. complex texts in Reading Research Quarterly4:24 Welcome, Jake — Jake joins the conversation4:48 Complex text effects — Accuracy, fluency, and comprehension decrease with harder text3:54 Why accuracy matters — Accuracy as the “floor of good reading”4:58 Why harder texts? — Vocabulary density, idea sophistication, word automaticity7:24 Teachers’ quandary — Grade-level texts cause accuracy and fluency to plummet8:00 What can we do? — Scaffold rather than water down text9:32 RLU 1.0 vs. new study — Adding long word blending to improve accuracy10:09 Multisyllabic approaches — Syllable types vs. morphology; limitations of each12:48 Hybrid peel-off approach — Combining morphology with syllabication15:58 Curricular design — 80/20 split: text reading vs. word blending17:36 Text design vs. scope & sequence — Pull words from strong texts, not vice versa21:56 Texts in upper grades — Building vocabulary, knowledge, and comprehension22:38 Word repetition — ~25 encounters per target word through repeated readings24:57 A day in Read Like Us — Step-by-step blending routine and repeated reading protocol28:48 Study parameters — 60 sessions, 12 topics, 5 texts each from ReadWorks.org29:38 Comparison condition — A validated decoding intervention, not a weak control31:36 Key differences — Text complexity, word complexity, and word-text alignment34:04 Findings: Accuracy — RLU students 2.79x more likely to reach benchmark35:49 Findings: Fluency — Comparable growth; no cost from harder texts37:33 Vocabulary hypothesis — Likely benefits from text volume and topic diversity37:57 Who benefits? — Students at ~95%+ accuracy; not below 90%40:14 Advice for teachers — Scaffolding is essential; payoff is compound interest43:00 Selecting words — Pick hard, text-meaningful words; 3 words, 5–7 minutes45:41 Challenging deficit views — Build on what students can do; scaffold the edge48:08 What’s Jake optimistic about — Public-facing research and free resources49:38 Laura’s take: Rethinking ZPD — Scaffolding should match text challenge, not avoid it

  2. Aug 10

    Recap from the Society from the Scientific Study of Reading Conference 2026 with Lori Sappington and Dr. Blythe Anderson

    It’s a special roundtable on the Teaching Literacy Podcast! Host Dr. Jake Downs, Lori Southington, and Blythe Anderson record live from the Society for the Scientific Study of Reading (SSSR) conference in Rotterdam to bridge the gap between emerging research and classroom practice. The trio unpacks key studies on interactive read-alouds and morphology instruction, highlighting how teachers can move past superficial vocabulary “mentioning” to foster deep, active meaning-making. Additionally, Jake shares findings from his own study on multisyllabic word profiles in upper-elementary curricula, demonstrating that students need targeted support with longer, abstract academic words rather than simple concrete ones. Resources Mentioned Clarence Greene’s British and American Word Families (BAWF) Database: https://cgg-projects.github.io/BAWF_V2/Words as Tools (coming soon)Reading Ready + Reading Go: https://www.katiepacemilesphd.com/projectsHow To Plan for Differentiated Instruction (ACCESS Reading): https://www.guilford.com/books/How-to-Plan-Differentiated-Reading-Instruction/Walpole-McKenna/9781462531516?srsltid=AfmBOoqZEpCze9AHw3knqG102KduC3N0kbviJDqEE-02RRNT48EtkFh7Anderson & Strong (2026): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10573569.2025.2587640(also back on E62 of TLP! https://teachingliteracypodcast.com/e62stopping-the-summer-slide-with-dr-blythe-anderson-and-dr-john-strong/Also check out the Melissa and Lori Love Literacy Podcast — it’s excellent!! literacypodcast.com

  3. Jul 22

    E76| How Vocabulary Supports Multisyllabic Word Reading in Upper Elementary with Dr. Laura Tortorelli and Dr. John Strong

    In this episode of the Teaching Literacy Podcast, host Jake Downs sits down with Dr. Laura Tortorelli and Dr. John Strong to unpack how vocabulary and advanced decoding interact to help upper elementary students navigate complex academic texts. Discussing their recent study on multisyllabic decoding achievement, the researchers explain why treating vocabulary and word recognition as isolated instructional buckets is a critical mistake. They dive into the mechanics of the fourth-grade slump and Linnea Ehri’s consolidated alphabetic phase, sharing striking findings like why nearly 100% of struggling readers can easily decode compound words like mushroom while only 5% can read bugle—revealing how a word’s “age of acquisition” and presence in a child’s oral vocabulary directly dictates their reading accuracy. Listeners will walk away with a practical understanding of the “decoding threshold” and concrete, flexible classroom strategies from the Read Stop Write intervention to help students move past rigid syllabication rules and seamlessly integrate word meaning with multisyllabic decoding.Link to ReadStopWrite: https://www.readstopwrite.com/ (book coming in 2027!!) 00:00 Multisyllabic Reading Challenge01:33 Meet the Researchers03:40 Why Readers Hit a Wall08:46 Decoding Threshold Explained10:50 Stop Over-Syllabicating13:38 Morphology in Action17:02 Vocabulary and Decoding Unite23:27 Inside the Study Design26:41 Multisyllabic Inventory Breakdown30:20 Surprising Student Performance33:27 Compound Words Mastery33:59 Tricky Syllable Patterns35:11 Nonsense Words Accuracy36:51 Vocabulary vs Morphology39:14 Why Bugle Is Hard43:09 Age of Acquisition Effect45:20 Read Stop Write Strategies50:44 Choosing High Impact Words55:51 Interpreting Nonsense Tests59:01 Literacy Optimisms01:02:16 Jake’s Take Reference:Tortorelli, L. S., Strong, J. Z., & Anderson, B. E. (2024). Multisyllabic decoding achievement and relation to vocabulary at the end of elementary school. Journal of Experimental Child Psychology, 246, 106018. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jecp.2024.106018

  4. Jun 22

    E75|Quality of Preschool Read Alouds on YouTube with Dr. Amanda Shimizu

    In this episode, Jake sits down with Dr. Amanda Shimizu to discuss her research paper, A Multimodal Content Analysis of Popular Early Childhood Stories and Read-Alouds on YouTube, co-authored with Dr. Margaret Quinn. Together they analyzed the 50 most popular preschool read-aloud videos on YouTube over a one-year period, examining both video design and instructional quality.Reference: Shimizu, A. Y., & Quinn, M. F. (2026). A multimodal content analysis of popular early childhood stories and read-alouds on YouTube. Journal of Early Childhood Literacy, 14687984261442422. https://doi.org/10.1177/14687984261442422List of 50 analyzed YouTube videos: TitleCreator/ChannelLinkNo, DavidToadstools and Fairydusthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFcMDiDZbwsThis is My Happy FaceSuper simple storieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXMMING5_h4Inside Out 2Art in minuteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p4nVK4Ua5kMy No, No, No DayStorytime with ryan & craighttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-gWhnvdgQThe Most Serious FartStory Time at Awnie’s Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoKTjdAJFxoThere Was an Old Lady Who Swallowed a WormMrs. K’s Bookworm adventureshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmU8RSguPLIDon’t Let the Pigeon Eat ChocolateMommy and Sam Storytime anytimehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwxUgkMIc74I Am Not AngryReading Rockethttps://youtube.com/watch?v=_QOw52OzJukThe GruffaloReading ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhhUE1qe3GASwim SchoolBluey Official Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtU1CHprtu8Who Pooped on MeStory Time at Awnie’s Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txSsFiVA0tYIf You Think There’s Nothing To DoLittle Cozy Nookhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taZIYvYOqcUSo Much SlimeKid Time Story Timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIkgQFhqIgIEat Your PeasGigi’s Magic Mailbox[link unavailable]Be Respectful and ListenSleeptime Music and storieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG3arGjg0HkThe BeachBluey Official Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKzmUpkTvS0Hey, That’s My MonsterKid Time Story Timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc71w9J86ygGreen Eggs and HamDr. Seusshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1Kksn76jZkToo Much GlueKid Time Story Timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_QF0VGakx8What If You Had Animal Teeth?Miss B LIVE!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_QF0VGakx8How to Give your Cat a BathBri Readshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86bjHWalRlAFood FightStoryTime PlayTimehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTIVuT_g204The Cat in the HatDr. Seusshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Irl_oWD6MCocomelon JJ and Friends Box of BooksHoots & Taleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLFUo_l5d0INaughty Tim SprocketToadstool and Fairy Dusthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCwJcH9h1BQThe Good, The Bad, and The SpookyStoryTime at Awnie’s Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JI5HB3Pg9wDinos Love DonutsStoryTime at Awnie’s Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TEBa0EiNg8Don’t let the Pigeon Eat Your Ice CreamMommy & sam Storytime Anytimehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R7PlM4lUvoI Am Martin Luther KingStorytime with Ryan & Craighttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5WyidVQLL8The Wrong BookToadstools and Fairy Dusthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfwqZNlFsfkBroken Crayons Still ColorReading Robinsonshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJNJjMcf6gI&t=5sThe Snail and the WhaleReading ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfAsZdCtHOcPete the Cat Screams for Ice CreamPink Thumb Learning Channelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdzB3rxiyVEFlat CatKidTimeStoryTimehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1s-N2b9QgIPete the Cat Falling for Autumn5 Minutes with Uncle Benhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHjjHDB1eMLlama Llama Misses MamaReading ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr9j0UjLc0E&t=181sBlue Betsy: Little Blue CowLittle Moonbeamhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em2wnQ8qd0I&t=179sThe Way I FeelReading ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1mxBUXZdqY&t=13sThere Was A Cold Lady Who Swallowed Some SnowStoryTime at Awnie’s Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buGDbGjcP-4There Was an Old Lady Who Swallowed a BatSToryTime at Awnie’s Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvMVTjHxiyEThe Very impatient CaterpillarStoryTime at Awnie’s Househttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT-F-dxAUQETootHoots and Taleshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fAS_TdIi6ETooth5 Minutes with Uncle Ben [link unavailable]This Book is a MistakeToadstools and Fairy Dusthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04I4u-QyGloThe Great Turkey RaceRead Aloud with Mr. Paulhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjxJ7JRmN-gThe HiccupotamusVookshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EouPRqmomk0The Grouchy LadybugMoving Storieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x31rwpCMlMDon’t Trust CatsFat Cat Bookshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T817NASjDoMy New Friend is So Fun!Storytime Read Aloudshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LLsAsXHYZw&t=15sMs. SBriReadshttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/IXlbD0Jbs-U Discussion Overview3:37 — YouTube stats & young children’s screen time5:28 — Promises & perils of YouTube as an educational platform7:01 — The 50 most popular channels & creator types11:04 — What makes a high-quality read-aloud?13:22 — Video design features (music, animations, props)17:35 — The “disembodied reader” problem23:02 — Instructional features: before, during & after reading28:40 — The 2×2 matrix: production vs. instructional quality38:10 — Recommendations for YouTube creators40:58 — Follow-up research coming43:51 — Jake’s Take

  5. Mar 12

     E74 | Robust Comprehension Using HQIM Featuring Dr. Dan Reynolds, Dr. Anna Jennerjohn, & Dr. Sara Rutherford-Quach

    In this episode I sit down with the SRI Education research team—Dr. Dan Reynolds, Dr. Anna Jennerjohn, and Dr. Sara Rutherford-Quach—to unpack their learning brief, Beyond the Surface. This episode explores the gap between using high-quality instructional materials (HQIM) and achieving deep, robust reading comprehension. Read the Brief Here: https://www.sri.com/publication/education-learning-pubs/beyond-the-surface-leveraging-high-quality-instructional-materials-for-robust-reading-comprehension/ Quick Summary: Actionable advice for coaches and school leaders to build systems that support genuine meaning-making in the classroom. The Study: Analyzed 111 comprehension lessons across districts with mature HQIM implementation and surveyed 500+ teachers. The Central Finding: While HQIM was consistently used, 64% of lessons focused only on surface-level objectives (completing tasks) rather than robust comprehension (building a mental model). Episode Highlights: Defining the crucial distinction between Surface and Robust comprehension. Introducing the 6 high-leverage instructional practices that move the needle toward deep understanding. Timestamps[0:00] – Teaser: Surface vs. Robust Comprehension [0:16] – Introduction & episode overview; Jake introduces the HQIM landscape [1:29] – Introducing the guests and their learning brief: Beyond the Surface [2:43] – What is HQIM and why has the term taken off so quickly? [4:46] – Background on the study: Schusterman Family Philanthropies partnership and why SRI undertook this observational research [7:14] – Why studying mature implementation matters — districts where HQIM had been in place for several years [9:34] – Defining surface-level comprehension vs. robust comprehension [20:58] – How the data was collected: 111 classroom observations, 500+ teacher surveys, 100+ interviews, 62 PLCs observed [25:10] – Finding #1: Teachers were using their HQIM consistently (72–89% daily or almost daily) [21:26] – Finding #2: High floor established — 98% of lessons had a comprehension purpose; but 64% of lessons set only surface-level goals [26:06] – The “voltage drop”: how robust lessons erode [29:57] – The six high-leverage practices for robust comprehension: [30:11] Practice 1: Engaging students in text-specific analysis[33:29] Practice 2: Activating and leveraging prior knowledge[36:10] Practice 3: Explaining and modeling meaning-making[38:48] Practice 4: Providing instructional feedback[40:36] Practice 5: Providing opportunities for text-based reasoning[41:59] Practice 6: Setting up peer learning opportunities[44:25] – What surface-level instruction looks like in practice [47:37] – It’s not a checklist: how the six practices can serve surface OR robust ends [48:56] – Three action steps for coaches and school leaders:[56:07] – Walkthrough tools and their limitations: why you can’t see robust comprehension in a 5-minute walkthrough [1:00:28] – Jake’s curveball: How do standards interact with comprehension instruction? (The PLC/Norse mythology example) [1:06:05] – Student engagement in robust vs. surface lessons — the House on Mango Street discussion example [1:04:12] – What’s next: upcoming SRI briefs on foundational skills, multilingual learners, and knowledge-building [1:10:17] – Optimism for the future of literacy: teachers hungry for the “how,” and a push toward more honest comprehension assessment [1:14:25] – Jake’s Take: Reflections on HQIM as an “instructional floor,” why all three gears must turn (content knowledge, pedagogical knowledge, curriculum knowledge), and a simple habit for keeping comprehension instruction tethered to meaning-making [1:30:30] – Closing

  6. Mar 4

    Complex Text & Fluency with Dr. Jake Downs and Dr. Chase Young

    This is a rebroadcast of Episode 245 from the Melissa and Lori Love Literacy Podcast – you can check out that episode here: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/read-like-us-building-fluency-through-repeated-reading/id1463219123?i=1000748503901Make sure to check out the Literacy.io training on the Kat Framework for Comprehension this June!-June 24-25 in East Lansing Michigan-Individual registration available at: https://tamu.estore.flywire.com/products/cusp—the-reading-leagueliteracy10-participant-registration–412940-Group registration available at: https://tamu.estore.flywire.com/products/cusp—the-reading-leagueliteracy10-group-participant-registration–412945-More information available at literacy.io/contact Show Notes2:30 – What is Read Like Us? Overview of the five-step repeated reading protocol How it supports accuracy, automaticity, and prosody 4:10 – The Five Reads Explained Listening passage preview Echo reading Choral reading Partner reading Performance/independent reading 6:00 – Implementation in Classrooms Can it work in whole group settings? Small group intervention applications Working with paraprofessionals and volunteers 10:00 – Maximizing Reading Time Why 90% of intervention time should be actual reading The workout approach to building fluency Ensuring students are actually reading (not just holding books) 12:53 – How Read Like Us Differs from Traditional Approaches More than just “read three times and check for speed” Building all three components of fluency simultaneously The role of modeling and scaffolding 15:00 – Gradual Release of Responsibility Transferring task responsibility to students Why rate/speed wasn’t emphasized in coaching Automaticity as the outcome, not the input 18:00 – Prosody and Comprehension Expression as an indicator of understanding Using the Rasinski multidimensional fluency rubric Rotating focus areas: expression, phrasing, smoothness, pace 20:00 – Study Results Fourth grade students: 16.5 WPM growth in 50 days Effect size of 0.9 Improvements in accuracy, vocabulary, and comprehension measures 22:30 – Potential Comprehension Enhancement Adding a 10-word takeaway or gist statement Keeping it “fluency heavy, comprehension light” Future iterations of the protocol 25:30 – The Stacking Protocol Approach Learning from dissertation chair Dr. Kit Moore Combining multiple evidence-based practices Weaving the reading rope together 27:30 – Cost and Accessibility Read Like Us is free to implement Comparison with commercial tier-two interventions Open access article available 28:48 – Text Selection Philosophy The month-long process of curating 50 texts Using challenging and engaging content (100-200 words) Types included: giggle poetry, science facts, short stories with twists, weird state laws 30:30 – The “Challenging Text” Debate Using texts above grade level with proper scaffolding Addressing the 1960s neurological impress research Why modern research supports stretching students 33:17 – Texts Students Actually Want to Read Students asking to take intervention texts home Incorporating core reading program texts for continuity Balance between practical and engaging content 36:00 – Lexile Levels and Text Complexity Many texts in 6th-8th grade Lexile range for 3rd-4th graders Testing the hypothesis: Can struggling readers succeed in harder texts? Being “level agnostic” in text selection 39:00 – Rethinking Leveled Texts Limitations of the Lexile formula Starting with engaging content, not filter levels The scaffolding makes the difference, not the exact level 42:00 – Student Motivation and Text Choice Chase’s son reading adult-level joke books in first grade The power of “want to” over prescribed levels Teacher control vs. student self-selection 43:00 – Repeated Reading vs. Wide Reading Defining both approaches Why they shouldn’t be pitted against each other Read Like Us = repeated reading across wide array of texts 46:30 – Wide Reading and Teacher Control Students won’t achieve wide reading through self-selection alone The teacher’s role in exposing students to diverse genres Balancing instruction with student choice 48:00 – Benefits of Wide Reading Exposure to different language patterns across genres Informational vs. narrative text structures Building terrain navigation skills with various text types 49:00 – Getting Started with Read Like Us Start with tomorrow’s text Find the 200-300 word section with the most “oomph” Use what you already have in your classroom 50:21 – Closing Where to find the protocol and resources Final thoughts and wrap-up

  7. 12/04/2025

    E71|Evaluating Advanced Phonemic Awareness with Dr. Michael Coyne

    In this episode of the Teaching Literacy Podcast, host Jake Downs discusses with Dr. Michael Coyne from the University of Connecticut the concept of advanced phonemic awareness and its implications for early reading proficiency. Dr. Coyne shares findings from his recent study that examines the impact of using oral-only advanced phonemic awareness instruction on first graders. They explore the theoretical underpinnings, practical recommendations for teachers, and the overall relevance of these findings to classroom practice. Tune in to understand the nuanced debate around advanced phonemic awareness and its role in effective literacy instruction. 00:00 Introduction to Advanced Phonemic Awareness01:33 Guest Introduction: Dr. Michael Coyne02:25 Defining Phonological and Phonemic Awareness06:29 Research on Phonemic Awareness10:04 Advanced Phonemic Awareness: Concepts and Tasks12:17 Theoretical Underpinnings and Critiques20:21 Study Overview: Curriculum and Implementation26:55 Study Design and Measures29:44 Evaluating Phonemic Awareness Instruction30:46 Study Results: Phonemic Awareness Outcomes32:54 Near Transfer Outcomes: Word Reading and Fluency34:53 Exploring Differential Benefits37:39 Recommendations for Phonemic Awareness Instruction42:17 Balancing Oral and Integrated Phonemic Awareness Activities50:15 Optimism in Literacy Research and Instruction52:29 Jake’s Take on Teaching Phonemic AwarenessReference:Coyne, M. D., McCoach, D. B., Santoro, L. E., Gentile, M., Rodrigues, C., & Kastner, P. (2025). The Effects of Advanced Phonemic Awareness Instruction in First Grade. The Elementary School Journal, 000–000. https://doi.org/10.1086/737952

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