Dental Leaders Podcast

Prav Solanki & Payman Langroudi

The Dental Leaders podcast takes you on a behind the scenes journey with emerging leaders in dentistry. Success leaves clues, and these conversations uncover the depth, detail, and backstory behind our guests. The show is hosted by dental entrepreneurs Payman Langroudi & Prav Solanki. Let the conversation flow. Find out more at https://www.dentalleaders.co.uk/

  1. 5D AGO

    The Horton Hangout — Laura Horton & Leanna Best

    The tables turn this week as Payman hangs out with Laura and Leanna on The Horton Hangout.  What starts as a chat about the challenges of being interviewed rather than interviewing quickly evolves into something deeper—an honest exploration of ambition, sacrifice, and what it means to build something meaningful whilst trying to hold onto the people you love.  From managing business partnerships and navigating the tension between legacy and presence, to the surprisingly simple power of just showing up, this conversation touches on the parts of success no one really talks about until they're living through it. In This Episode 00:01:25 - Hosting versus guesting 00:02:55 - How Laura and Leanna met 00:06:40 - Having it all as ambitious women 00:10:50 - Balancing work travel with family life 00:14:30 - Partnership dynamics and business relationships 00:19:45 - The Enlighten story and business evolution 00:28:15 - Marketing philosophy and brand building 00:35:20 - Working with your best mate 00:41:10 - The reality of business partnerships 00:47:25 - Managing conflict and difficult conversations 00:52:40 - Learning to say no and setting boundaries 00:58:15 - Legacy versus being present 01:03:30 - Parenting and guilt 01:09:45 - The immigrant work ethic 01:16:20 - Competition in dentistry 01:21:35 - Advice for younger dentists 01:25:00 - Meeting strangers from the internet 01:28:20 - Remote teams and South African operations About Laura Horton & Leanna Best Laura Horton is a dental hygienist, educator, and founder of multiple dental businesses including Brush, whilst Leanna Best is a treatment coordinator and educator who worked alongside Neil and Fiona Gerrard before launching her own training ventures.  Together they co-host The Horton Hangout—a podcast that strips away the polish and gets into the real conversations about life, work, and everything in between within the dental world.

    1h 31m
  2. JAN 14

    #326 True Kindness — Niki Keyhani

    This week, Payman chats with Niki Keyhani, a newly qualified specialist prosthodontist who's already built something remarkable. Seven years out from qualification, she's opened a squat practice, completed her specialist training at King's, and somehow managed to do both simultaneously during a pandemic.  What really stands out isn't just the clinical achievement—it's the way she talks about passion versus ambition, about choosing to do everything at once rather than waiting for the "right time." There's a refreshing honesty here about being underestimated as a young woman in dentistry, about that first complaint that knocked her sideways, and about why true kindness matters more than just going through the motions.  Whether she's discussing optimal achievement over high achievement or explaining why she'd rather wait for the right person than rush into marriage, Niki brings a perspective that feels both grounded and aspirational. In This Episode 00:01:15 - Introduction and background 00:01:55 - Passionate versus ambitious 00:03:00 - Sibling dynamics and guidance 00:04:40 - The "wanting it all" approach 00:05:50 - Sacrifice and balance in career building 00:10:00 - Growing up as a dentist's daughter 00:15:00 - Starting a squat practice during COVID 00:21:15 - Opening during the pandemic 00:22:20 - Decision to pursue specialist training 00:24:00 - Neil Nathwani's encouragement to specialise 00:25:30 - Getting into specialist training first try 00:27:45 - Clinical capabilities and full mouth rehabs 00:36:00 - Patient selection red flags 00:37:40 - Blackbox thinking 00:56:15 - Challenges as a woman in dentistry 01:06:15 - Business development mindset 01:07:10 - High achievers versus optimal achievers 01:09:15 - Child of a dentist privilege 01:10:10 - Building the perfect patient journey 01:13:50 - Spanish lessons and tennis 01:15:30 - Best lectures and courses 01:16:50 - Creating a thousand-page prosthodontic textbook 01:21:25 - Fantasy dinner party 01:24:00 - Last days and legacy About Niki Keyhani Niki Keyhani is a newly qualified specialist prosthodontist who graduated from King's College London in 2017. She completed her postgraduate diploma at the Eastman and her specialist training at King's whilst simultaneously opening and running her own squat practice from 2020. The daughter of a dentist, she's passionate about prosthodontics, teaching, and breaking down perceptions of what young women in dentistry can achieve.

    1h 31m
  3. JAN 7

    #325 Clinical Psychology — Richard Porter

    Richard Porter joins Payman to explore the meeting point of clinical dentistry and psychology.  From his early struggles adapting to London dental school after growing up in rural Kent, to his current work exploring personality psychology and emotional intelligence in practice, Richard challenges conventional thinking about what makes a truly skilled dentist.  He argues that feelings are the currency of human existence—and understanding them is as critical as clinical competence. The discussion moves through burnout, the dark triad of difficult patient personalities, and the tension between contentment and progress, before landing on Richard's passion for helping dentists understand their own minds.  It's a conversation that questions everything from dental education to the nature of expertise itself. In This Episode 00:01:20 - Backstory 00:06:05 - Six pillars of good dentistry 00:08:20 - Emotional intelligence and motivation 00:13:35 - Psychology journey 00:38:25 - Restorative dentistry career 00:39:05 - Why implants matter 00:41:25 - Hallmarks of expertise 00:44:45 - Contentment vs progress 01:17:20 - Blackbox thinking 01:23:50 - Minimal vs proper tooth preparation 01:29:35 - Dentistry's systemic health impact 01:34:05 - Green button philosophy 01:42:35 - Dentist suicide and burnout 01:45:35 - Neuroticism and the N-score 01:52:00 - Best lectures, books and courses 02:02:30 - Fantasy dinner party 02:03:40 - Last days and legacy About Richard Porter Richard Porter is a restorative dentist with specialist registrations in prosthodontics, endodontics, restorative dentistry, and special care dentistry. Having trained at Guy's Hospital and worked in maxillofacial surgery, Richard now combines clinical teaching with his deep fascination for personality psychology, focusing on how emotional intelligence shapes patient outcomes and professional wellbeing.

    2h 13m
  4. 12/31/2025

    #324 Course Correction — Zaid Esmail

    In this episode, orthodontist Zaid Esmail opens up about what really matters in patient care—and it's not just straight teeth.  From calling every patient the week after fitting braces to navigating the tension between NHS pragmatism and private practice perfectionism, Zaid reveals why communication trumps technique every time.  He shares the terrifying moment a patient swallowed a spring mid-treatment, the legal nightmare of inventing an orthodontic device, and why he built an online academy to teach GDPs the skills they're inevitably going to use anyway.  Plus, there's an honest take on conference culture, overtreatment trends, and why he refuses to become the kind of orthodontist who needs cases to pay bills.  Want 10% off Zaid's Online Orthodontic Academy course and mentorship? Use code DLPOD10 at https://onlineorthodonticacademy.co.uk/ In This Episode 00:01:20 - What makes a great orthodontist 00:06:25 - Why he'll never own a fully private practice 00:14:40 - From Iraq to Wales via dental school 00:28:00 - Teaching philosophy and the dangers of weekend courses 00:37:50 - Where GDPs go wrong with orthodontics 00:41:45 - Building the Online Orthodontic Academy 00:52:50 - Blackbox thinking 00:58:05 - Inventing the Eruptor device 01:16:45 - Conference culture and the problem with celebrity orthodontists 01:24:10 - Fantasy dinner party 01:27:10 - Last days and legacy About Zaid Esmail Zaid Esmail is an orthodontist working at Grosvenor House Orthodontic Practice in Tunbridge Wells, part of the Bupa Dental Care group. He runs the Online Orthodontic Academy, providing diploma-level training and case mentorship for dentists looking to incorporate orthodontics into their practice. Zaid also invented the Eruptor, a device for managing partially erupted teeth.  Follow him on Instagram at @onlineorthoacademy and @zaid_mails.

    1h 35m
  5. 12/26/2025

    Mind Movers #47 - Anne-Sophie Flury

    This expansive and deeply reflective episode features Anne-Sophie Flury — neuroscientist, psychology graduate, former PhD researcher, and wellness educator — whose work bridges hard science with lived human experience. Known online as “Coochie by Gucci,” Anne-Sophie brings rare honesty and intellectual clarity to conversations about the brain, trauma, intuition, and emotional agency.Rhona and Payman explore Anne-Sophie’s unconventional academic journey, from leaving a business degree for psychology to working in experimental neuroscience and neuropsychopharmacology alongside leading researchers. Together, they unpack why understanding the brain isn’t enough — and how learning that the brain can change became the turning point in Anne-Sophie’s own mental health and sense of agency.The conversation moves fluidly through modern overwhelm: social media burnout, dopamine addiction, emotional over-identification, and the spiritualisation of feelings. Anne-Sophie offers a grounded, science-based perspective on meditation, psychedelics, mindfulness, and nervous system regulation — cutting through both clinical detachment and performative spirituality.What emerges is a powerful discussion about responsibility without shame, emotional awareness without indulgence, and why separating yourself from your thoughts may be the most liberating skill of all.In This Episode00:00:25 – Returning to Mind Movers & meeting Anne-Sophie00:01:45 – From business to psychology: finding intellectual purpose00:04:15 – Neuroscience, VR research & leaving the PhD00:07:20 – Failure, resilience & unconventional career pivots00:08:30 – “Coochie by Gucci”: identity, grief & online personas00:10:20 – Social media, activism & burnout00:12:30 – Doomscrolling, empathy fatigue & loss of motivation00:14:40 – Perfection culture, comparison & digital disconnection00:18:45 – Psychology vs neuroscience: understanding the brain00:20:05 – Psychedelics, policy & political suppression00:23:00 – What psychedelics actually do to the brain00:27:20 – Mental health, loneliness & early emotional struggles00:30:40 – The moment everything changed: “I can change my brain”00:31:50 – Meditation, neuroplasticity & emotional regulation00:34:00 – Agency, awareness & visualising a different life00:36:00 – Relationships, values & evolving identities00:38:10 – Can core values really change?00:40:10 – Trauma, intuition & emotional misinterpretation00:42:25 – Are we over-validating emotions?00:44:30 – Spiritual bypassing vs real growth00:45:00 – Float tanks, meditation & separating from thought00:48:20 – Anxiety vs intuition: learning the differenceAbout Anne-Sophie FluryAnne-Sophie Flury is a neuroscience and psychology specialist whose work focuses on emotional regulation, nervous system awareness, and personal agency. After completing a psychology degree, a master’s in experimental neuroscience, and publishing research during her PhD, she stepped away from academia to make science accessible in the real world.Blending research, lived experience, and practical tools, Anne-Sophie helps people understand not just why they feel the way they do — but how to change it. Her work challenges emotional fatalism, encourages responsibility without self-blame, and reframes mental health as something dynamic rather than fixed.

    1h 37m
  6. 12/17/2025

    #322 100 Practices — Deepa Patel

    In this episode of Dental Leaders, Payman chats with Deepa Patel, a locum dentist with the unique experience of working inside over 100 different practices. Having held every role from nurse and receptionist to practice manager before qualifying, Deepa shares why the happiest practices aren't always the most high-tech, and why the most profitable dentists aren't always the most skilled. They touch on her philosophy of treating "dental and mental health" together and discuss how a transformative 10-day silent meditation retreat shifted her focus from perfection to presence. From humming during extractions to her daily gratitude practice, Deepa reveals to Payman why emotional intelligence is just as vital as clinical precision in modern dentistry. In This Episode 01:20 - Mini smile makeovers and composite work 04:10 - Mindset around colour conversations 05:30 - Lessons from inside 100 practices 08:00 - Adapting to different equipment 10:20 - Respect for nurses and teamwork 12:45 - Why reception is the hardest job 14:35 - Handling difficult patients 17:10 - Dentists who couldn't do nursing 22:30 - Working in corporate versus independent 24:45 - Meeting patients in the waiting room 30:15 - Teeth colour and ageing 33:20 - Humming to keep patients calm 37:30 - Ethical treatment planning 39:20 - Disagreeing with treatment plans 42:05 - Motherhood and work-life balance 47:50 - The silent meditation retreat experience 50:15 - Living in the moment 54:15 - Treating dental and mental health together 56:35 - Blackbox thinking 01:00:50 - Manager power in corporates 01:09:25 - Courses as an investment 01:10:10 - Writing ten gratitudes every morning About Deepa Patel Deepa Patel qualified as a dentist in India before moving to the UK, where she worked as a hygienist, dental nurse, receptionist, and practice manager whilst completing her ORE exams. She now works two days a week at a Bupa practice and spends the rest of her time as a locum dentist, having gained experience in over 100 different practices across the UK. Deepa completed a transformative 10-day Vipassana silent meditation retreat and practices daily gratitude, writing ten things she's grateful for every morning. She lives in Derbyshire with her husband and two children, aged 16 and 4.

    1h 14m
  7. 12/10/2025

    #321 All In — Adeel Ali

    This week, Payman sits down with Adeel Ali, an implantologist who's taken the kind of risks most dentists only talk about. Seven years qualified and he's already built multiple UK practices, mastered full-arch implantology including zygomatics, and most recently moved his family to Qatar to open a clinic from scratch—all whilst flying back every three weeks to maintain UK commitments.  The conversation reveals someone refreshingly honest about not being naturally gifted clinically, instead crediting a relentless work ethic inherited from his father's 40-year retail career. They discuss marrying at 24, having kids young, and deliberately choosing to excel in every domain simultaneously rather than sequentially.  Adeel's approach to business follows a simple framework: character-assassinate potential partners for integrity, find the best person doing what you want to learn, and when uncertainty hits, pray five times daily and trust it'll work out.  From explaining why people should die with fixed teeth rather than dentures to how his wife rewired his mindset about Qatar, this episode offers an unfiltered look at making bold moves work through spiritual conviction and practical ruthlessness. In This Episode 00:01:20 - Work ethic and retail roots 00:04:25 - Teaching kids about money and work 00:09:10 - Family dynamics and sacrifice 00:13:50 - Marrying young and choosing fatherhood 00:16:50 - Struggling through dental school 00:22:15 - Life-changing full arch work 00:23:25 - Finding mentors and the Tatum course 00:26:25 - Three-tier training programme 00:29:10 - Advice for aspiring implantologists 00:33:45 - Aha moments in implantology 00:43:15 - Mentorship beyond clinical skills 00:46:50 - Choosing business partners 00:51:15 - Practice acquisitions and growth strategy 00:53:20 - Comfortable in the uncomfortable 00:56:25 - Faith, religion and rating people holistically 00:59:35 - Prayer and God consciousness 01:05:50 - The Qatar move 01:09:35 - Building London Implant Clinic from scratch 01:12:35 - Wife's all-in mentality 01:14:10 - Flying lifestyle and health concerns 01:18:40 - Fantasy dinner party 01:30:35 - Full arch consultation process 01:36:25 - Cultural differences treating Qatari patients About Adeel Ali Adeel Ali is an implantologist who recently relocated to Qatar whilst maintaining UK practices. He's completed around 800 full arch cases and placed approximately 8,000 implants, focusing primarily on complex zygomatic and pterygoid cases. He runs a three-tier mentorship programme and travels between Qatar and the UK every three weeks.

    1h 39m
5
out of 5
2 Ratings

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The Dental Leaders podcast takes you on a behind the scenes journey with emerging leaders in dentistry. Success leaves clues, and these conversations uncover the depth, detail, and backstory behind our guests. The show is hosted by dental entrepreneurs Payman Langroudi & Prav Solanki. Let the conversation flow. Find out more at https://www.dentalleaders.co.uk/

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