Dental Leaders Podcast

Prav Solanki & Payman Langroudi
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The Dental Leaders podcast takes you on a behind the scenes journey with emerging leaders in dentistry. Success leaves clues, and these conversations uncover the depth, detail, and backstory behind our guests. The show is hosted by dental entrepreneurs Payman Langroudi & Prav Solanki. Let the conversation flow. Find out more at https://www.dentalleaders.co.uk/

  1. 2d ago

    #344 The Package Deal — Ashley King & Sophie Lovett

    Ashley King and Sophie Lovett run the international side of Pearl, the AI company that reads dental radiographs — and they turn up as a self-confessed package deal.  The chat starts with what the tech actually does (a second opinion for clinicians, and a way to help patients finally see what's going on in their own mouths), but it doesn't stay there for long. Payman, Ashley and Sophie get into US versus UK dentistry, the state of the NHS, why trust beats price every time, and how AI is creeping into everyday work.  Then it gets personal: women and AI, the awkwardness of asking for a pay rise, what happens when a woman out-earns her partner, and whether having children is selfless or selfish. Honest, funny and occasionally controversial — this one wanders well beyond the X-ray. In This Episode 00:00:50 - Life at a start-up 00:02:20 - Life on the road 00:04:35 - Distributors or your own office 00:06:05 - What Pearl does 00:09:30 - Accuracy and limits 00:10:45 - A controversial take 00:12:45 - AI and the future 00:18:35 - A cottage industry 00:21:20 - US vs UK dentistry 00:24:40 - NHS vs private 00:30:20 - Getting set up 00:34:00 - The price 00:35:40 - Why trust is everything 00:37:45 - The word "sell" 00:40:35 - Living in London 00:46:50 - The worst of America 00:51:50 - Politics 00:56:05 - AI in their own work 01:00:50 - Women and AI 01:02:30 - The pay rise problem 01:05:20 - The gender pay gap 01:08:25 - Femininity as power 01:11:00 - Relationships and self-reliance 01:13:55 - Children 01:16:30 - Out-earning a partner 01:25:10 - "I'm just a hygienist" 01:26:30 - Business influences 01:33:50 - Biggest business mistakes 01:38:40 - Competitors and USP 01:45:40 - Guilty pleasures 01:49:05 - Fantasy dinner party 01:54:00 - Ministry of Sound About Ashley King & Sophie Lovett Ashley King leads international partnerships at Pearl, having started out in dental back in 2018 at VOCO; she's from North Carolina and now calls London home. Sophie Lovett heads up Pearl's international market development and, despite only three years in dentistry, talks the clinical language like a native. The two are best friends as much as colleagues — which is exactly why they turned up to record together.

    1h 57m

  2. May 20

    #343 Serendipity — Tara Renton

    Professor Tara Renton OBE brings four generations of dental history — and a career built on curiosity rather than ambition — to her conversation with Payman.  From navigating undiagnosed dyslexia and a father who begged her not to follow him into dentistry, to becoming the first female chair of oral surgery at King's College London, her story is one of serendipity, resilience, and an almost obsessive interest in the patient behind the pain.  She shares remarkable insights into orofacial pain — nerve injuries, psychosocial histories, patients whose chronic pain only begins to shift when someone finally takes the time to ask the right question — and makes a compelling case for multidisciplinary thinking in a profession she feels has been far too siloed for far too long.  Sharp reflections on surgical safety, local anaesthetic technique, and the state of dental education sit alongside something warmer: a life philosophy that's disarmingly simple. Stay curious. In This Episode 00:02:50 - Four generations of dentists 00:06:05 - Child dental health crisis 00:07:20 - New grandmother 00:10:00 - Choosing dentistry 00:17:05 - Serendipity over ambition 00:37:15 - The juggle: three kids and a PhD 00:41:00 - Bullying and misogyny in surgery 00:44:45 - King's: first chair in oral surgery 00:47:35 - Multidisciplinary pain clinic 00:49:25 - The Iranian patient 00:56:00 - Trust underpins consent 01:00:00 - Classifying orofacial pain 01:07:05 - When grief resolves chronic pain 01:12:15 - Blackbox thinking 01:17:00 - Local anaesthetic tips 01:22:00 - Wrong site surgery 01:25:30 - Dental student selection 01:27:15 - Redesigning the dental course 01:47:50 - Bruxism: rethinking the evidence 01:50:15 - Fantasy dinner party 01:53:45 - Last days and legacy About Professor Tara Renton OBE Professor Tara Renton OBE is Emeritus Professor of Oral Surgery at King's College London Dental Institute, where she became the first female chair of oral surgery — and one of the world's leading authorities on orofacial pain and nerve injury. Over a career spanning more than 40 years, she has authored over 250 research papers, completed a PhD centred on morbidity following third molar surgery, established a pioneering multidisciplinary pain clinic at King's, and carried out extensive medico-legal work in surgical safety. She is the co-founder of the patient resource orofacialpain.org.uk.

    2h 10m

  3. May 13

    #342 Looking for the Edge — Mike Gray

    Mike Gray's path to dentistry was anything but straightforward — and that's precisely what makes this conversation so compelling.  A former semi-professional mountain biker who raced the World Series across three disciplines, a musician who once had the head of Universal Publishing sitting in his living room in rural Wales, and a dentist who spent years doing everything he could to avoid dentistry, Mike has lived several lives before arriving at the one he clearly loves.  Payman and Mike cover the full sweep — grief, therapy, surgical war stories, and an obsessive, self-taught approach to digital restorative dentistry that culminates in his POISE Protocol: a no-prep veneer workflow that he believes makes truly minimally invasive ceramics available to the vast majority of patients, not just a lucky five per cent. In This Episode 00:00:55 – Introductions and first impressions 00:01:20 – Mountain biking career 00:09:15 – A friend's suicide, guilt and stepping back from maxfax 00:12:15 – Therapy 00:14:10 – Life on the World Series circuit 00:19:25 – From maxfax to music 00:28:10 – Blackbox thinking 00:33:45 – Music career — Alabama Three, Peppa Pig and Covid 00:49:25 – NHS dentistry debate 00:51:50 – Falling in love with dentistry 00:54:40 – Self-taught restorative and the digital workflow 01:00:25 – Ditching the articulator 01:01:20 – Prototypes, not temporaries 01:05:10 – Into implants 01:11:00 – Compassion fatigue 01:13:40 – POISE protocol and no-prep ceramics 01:25:10 – The Lodge and the course 01:29:05 – Resilience and failure 01:34:20 – Practice ownership 01:41:10 – Instagram 01:49:20 – Fantasy dinner party About Mike Gray Mike Gray is a dentist based in Wales, working at Parkway Clinic in Swansea and The Lodge — a referral and education centre where he hosts his sold-out POISE Protocol course on minimally invasive ceramic veneers. His background spans maxillofacial surgery, semi-professional mountain biking at World Series level, and a music career that attracted interest from Universal Publishing and, improbably, Peppa Pig. He teaches himself CAD, machines his own surgical instruments, and has spent five years developing a digital workflow for no-prep ceramic restorations that he believes renders feldspathic and heavy preparation largely redundant.

    1h 54m

  4. May 6

    #341 Underestimated — Rawa Jawad Quinn

    Rawa Jawad Quinn is a dentist-turned-tech founder whose restless energy and refusal to be underestimated have shaped every chapter of her career. In this episode, she tells Payman about growing up in Chelsea after her Iraqi family fled Kuwait with nothing, studying in Liverpool, and working across 16 dental practices before channelling her frustrations into Medicube — a consent and patient communication platform built to give associates the consistency they've never had. The conversation takes some wonderfully unexpected detours into quantum physics, telepathy, AI-driven futures and the spiritual experiences that Rawa can't quite explain but absolutely trusts. There's also plenty of practical wisdom on occlusion, practice culture and what it really takes to bootstrap a dental tech start-up while raising a three-year-old without a nanny. In This Episode 00:00:45 – Introduction and welcome 00:01:25 – Growing up on the Kings Road and childhood in Chelsea 00:03:30 – Studying dentistry in Liverpool and reinvention 00:07:00 – Dyslexia diagnosis and learning differently 00:10:10 – The itch beyond dentistry 00:14:00 – Fleeing Kuwait, starting over in the UK 00:16:25 – Why her parents' medical careers put her off medicine 00:18:05 – Ambition, being underestimated and self-belief 00:23:15 – Spirituality, connectedness and trusting intuition 00:26:10 – Wanting it all — motherhood, marriage and a start-up 00:31:00 – Lessons from 16 dental practices 00:36:25 – Working in corporates and at Bupa 00:41:20 – NHS vs private practice 00:45:15 – The birth of Medicube 00:48:30 – How Medicube works and pilot results 00:55:55 – Finding a co-founder and the UCL connection 00:58:50 – Funding through grants, awards and bootstrapping 01:03:25 – AI, the Turing test and the future of work 01:10:25 – Robots, relationships and what makes us human 01:22:55 – Physics, multiverse theory and keeping an open mind 01:28:40 – Blackbox thinking 01:33:40 – A patient with buyer's remorse after crown preps 01:36:55 – Occlusion, full mouth rehabs and the Dawson Academy 01:43:20 – Tech conferences and the reality of being a founder 01:47:05 – Fantasy dinner party About Rawa Jawad Quinn Rawa Jawad Quinn is a dentist based in Belfast, currently working at Bupa, with a particular interest in full mouth rehabilitation cases. She is also the co-founder of Medicube, a dental tech platform that streamlines consent, treatment planning and patient communication. Rawa trained at the Dawson Academy and Chris Hall's programme, and has worked across 16 practices spanning NHS, private and corporate settings.

    1h 55m

  5. Apr 29

    #340 Exit at the Peak — Andy Acton

    Andy Acton returns to the Dental Leaders hot seat for a proper deep-cut conversation about the business of owning a dental practice — from first purchase right through to the exit.  Payman and Andy cover the current market (spoiler: banks still love dentists, and buyers far outnumber sellers), before getting into the real meat of the episode: owner fatigue. Andy breaks down the five categories of burnout he's observed across 25 years of working with practice owners, and it's the kind of honest, unglamorous stuff that rarely gets aired.  There's also a brilliant success story about a single-surgery practice that became a near-£2 million sale in four years, plus some sharp advice on what not to do in your first month of ownership.  Whether you're thinking about buying, selling, or just trying to work out why you're so tired, this one's well worth your time. In This Episode 00:00:50 – Andy's business portfolio and the FTA family of companies 00:03:10 – Market snapshot: supply, demand and the state of play in December 2025 00:04:15 – Squats vs acquisitions 00:07:35 – What buyers are really looking for 00:10:15 – Occupancy levels and the case for maximising before expanding 00:13:10 – Corporates vs independents: deal structures and flexibility 00:17:10 – Patient attrition when the owner leaves 00:20:25 – Horror stories and success stories: flipping practices 00:28:15 – Young dentists buying early and the bank of mum and dad 00:31:05 – Would Andy encourage his kids to become dentists? 00:33:20 – Owner fatigue: five categories of burnout 00:35:25 – How valuation methods have evolved over 25 years 00:42:45 – Raising finance and banking terms 00:45:45 – The ownership lifecycle and signs of fatigue 00:55:55 – Sales readiness: the checklist 01:05:30 – Business education and the case for teaching it at school 01:13:05 – Understanding financial accounts and key KPIs 01:18:25 – Quick-fire: favourite business book, business hero, and the green lights philosophy 01:25:15 – Dental leaders who inspire Andy 01:32:25 – Fly on the wall moment: the Man United treble changing room About Andy Acton Andy Acton is co-founder of Frank Taylor Associates, one of the UK's leading dental practice sales and valuation firms. Alongside his business partner Chris, Andy has built a portfolio of dental-focussed businesses, including FTA Finance, FTA Media, FTA Wealth, and the Principals Club — a members-only community for independent practice owners. He has worked in the dental sector for over 25 years.

    1h 36m

  6. Apr 24

    Mind Movers #49 — Vanita Rattan

    In this lively and layered episode of Mind Movers, Vanita Rattan joins Rhona and Payman to talk about medicine, entrepreneurship, motherhood and the sheer force of personality it takes to build something different. She traces her path from UCL medical school to formulating skincare for skin of colour, then opening clinics around the world before Covid forced a brutal pivot into social media and direct-to-consumer growth. What follows is not just a business story. It is a conversation about dyslexia, immigrant pressure, obsession, sacrifice, miscarriage, ambition and the cost of always operating in warrior mode. Honest, sharp and occasionally uncomfortable, this one goes well beyond skincare. In This Episode00:01:15 - Medicine to formulation00:02:05 - Building global clinics00:05:05 - Covid and the pivot00:06:20 - Community over following00:10:25 - Crisis mode and grit00:15:00 - Opportunity cost thinking00:20:15 - Dyslexia and determination00:27:25 - Business, children and sacrifice00:31:00 - Money, ambition and power00:56:25 - Miscarriage and autopilot About Vanita RattanVanita Rattan is a medical doctor, cosmetic formulator and entrepreneur focused on skincare for skin of colour. After qualifying in medicine at UCL, she trained in formulation, built the Hyperpigmentation Clinic into an international business, and later grew a highly engaged skincare brand through education-led content and direct community input. She is known for combining science, straight talking and a clear mission to serve women who have long been overlooked by mainstream beauty.

    1h 7m

  7. Apr 22

    #339 Crack On — Ali Hashemizadeh

    At just 27, Ali Hashemizadeh is doing things most dentists twice his age haven't managed — two private associate roles, a growing reputation as an endodontist, and the kind of self-awareness that usually takes a decade to develop.  In this episode, Payman sits down with the Newcastle-based, Aberdeen-raised, Iranian dentist to trace the path from a rocky first year on the NHS to finding his feet in private practice.  Ali talks candidly about the complaint that rocked him early in his career, the perspective shift it forced, and why he's genuinely glad it happened. It's a conversation about curiosity, resilience, and the quiet power of just cracking on. In This Episode 00:00:50 – Introduction: Ali Hashemizadeh 00:03:45 – Lifelong learning 00:07:25 – The future of dental events 00:14:30 – Optimism as a work philosophy 00:15:35 – NHS complaint, first job 00:19:40 – Resilience and perspective 00:21:10 – Going private early 00:22:25 – Becoming the endo guy 00:25:55 – Generalist or specialist? 00:26:50 – The disease of the twenties 00:28:30 – Iranian roots in Aberdeen 00:38:15 – Foundation year in London 00:40:55 – Outdoor pursuits and Ironman training 00:46:10 – CBCT and safe-ended files 00:50:05 – Endo, implants and aesthetics under one roof 00:52:00 – Treatment coordinators and ethical selling 00:57:15 – The value of mentorship 00:59:00 – Networking and landing the jobs 01:02:55 – The two practices compared 01:07:35 – Lucas Lassman and the most inspiring lecture 01:10:40 – Dental resources: YouTube and Instagram 01:15:10 – Being Mortal and Man's Search for Meaning 01:16:30 – Modern Wisdom and guilty pleasures 01:22:35 – Ten-year plan 01:27:40 – Fantasy dinner party About Ali Hashemizadeh Ali Hashemizadeh is a 27-year-old private associate dentist working across two practices in the northeast of England — Middleton Saint George Dental in Darlington and Ken Harris's clinic in Sunderland — where he has developed a particular focus on endodontics. Born and raised in Aberdeen to Iranian parents, he qualified from Newcastle University and completed his foundation year in London before heading back north.

    1h 32m

  8. Apr 15

    #338 Show, Don’t Tell — Grant Goodstein

    Grant Goodstein isn't a dentist — and that might be exactly why this episode is so refreshing. An American tech exec turned practice owner, Grant moved to London for love (a Hannah Montana-inspired trip to LA, a dating app, and a last-minute Vegas concert, if you can believe it) and ended up buying a mixed NHS practice in Fulham with his wife, Leah.  What follows is a masterclass in what happens when someone with zero clinical background but serious business chops walks into a neighbourhood dental practice and starts asking, "What do patients actually want?"  From GBT machines and AI phone systems to living wage accreditation and obsessing over Wi-Fi signal strength in the toilet, Grant's approach is equal parts Silicon Valley hustle and genuine community spirit. In This Episode 00:01:00 – Meeting Leah: dating apps, Hannah Montana and a spontaneous trip to Vegas 00:06:15 – London vs Los Angeles 00:08:25 – Growing up sports-obsessed and working for Michigan basketball 00:13:10 – Coaching rituals and building team enthusiasm 00:15:25 – Buying the practice: staff turnover, evolution vs revolution 00:19:35 – Practice valuations then and now 00:22:05 – Listening to patients and expanding hygiene 00:26:10 – Running a mixed practice: the case for keeping NHS 00:32:20 – Growing Invisalign from 20 to 100 cases a year 00:34:10 – Genuine interest, patient conversations and the "daughter test" 00:36:10 – The search for the right practice 00:41:20 – Nervous patients and the patient experience 00:43:35 – Investing in GBT and premium hygiene 00:49:40 – Learning when and how to say no 00:55:25 – Tech stack: CareStack, VoIP, AI transcription and remote hiring 01:02:45 – Reception as a revenue driver 01:06:25 – Training, role plays and AI for SOPs 01:09:20 – High-performing teams: sports analogies in practice 01:11:30 – Blackbox thinking 01:15:20 – Refurb lessons and driving urgency 01:18:50 – Finding purpose after tech burnout 01:21:15 – Favourite business books 01:24:50 – Fantasy dinner party 01:31:15 – Leah's fearless flyer course and treating nervous patients About Grant Goodstein Grant Goodstein is the managing director of Pearly Whites dental practice in Fulham, London, which he co-owns with his wife, dentist Leah Goodstein. A University of Michigan economics graduate, Grant previously worked in tech — including a stint at Twitter — before moving to the UK and channelling his business background into practice ownership.

    1h 37m
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The Dental Leaders podcast takes you on a behind the scenes journey with emerging leaders in dentistry. Success leaves clues, and these conversations uncover the depth, detail, and backstory behind our guests. The show is hosted by dental entrepreneurs Payman Langroudi & Prav Solanki. Let the conversation flow. Find out more at https://www.dentalleaders.co.uk/

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  • Creator
    Prav Solanki & Payman Langroudi
  • Years Active
    2019 - 2026
  • Episodes
    395
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    © Prav Solanki & Payman Langroudi
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