Most CPA firms still run their billing off a timesheet nobody trusts. Jason Ackerman's firm hasn't tracked one since 2013. In this episode, Tom Wadelton and Adam Hale sit down with Jason Ackerman, Co-Managing Partner at BNA CPA Advisors and Co-Founder & CFO of WealthRabbit. Jason shares how BNA moved to fully fixed-price billing, uses a simple three-tier cleanup pricing model, and measures profitability per employee without timesheets. They also discuss balancing recurring Virtual CFO work with project-based services like M&A, key growth inflection points at 15, 35, and 50 employees, and how BNA keeps onboarding seamless for clients. They close with where the industry is headed, including Jason’s straightforward take on AI: “How you beat the robots is for you to be human.” He explains why relationships matter more than automation and why BNA is staying nimble rather than betting on one AI platform. If you’re rethinking how your firm prices, staffs, and measures profitability, this conversation offers a practical blueprint. ▶️ No Timesheets, Fixed Fees, and a Concierge CPA Model with Jason Ackerman. Episode resources: ● Website: https://www.bnacpa.com/ ● WealthRabbit, Jason's platform for CPAs to set up client retirement plans: https://www.wealthrabbit.com/ ● If you have questions or would like to be a guest on the show, email us at mcpasuccessshow@anderscpa.com ● Check out the Virtual CFO Playbook Course: https://anderscpa.com/virtual-cfo-services/vcfo-playbook/ Quotes: Jason Ackerman: “How you beat the robots is for you to be human”Jason Ackerman: "If you spend 4 days trying to figure out the price, you've just lost $15,000 right there."Adam Hale: "Right around 35 to 50 people seems to be a natural sweet spot in terms of profitability, the ability to have redundancy and structure."Tom Wadelton: "I've got a couple of choices. I can start accrual based and go forward in your price, or if you want me to clean up, it could be this and do it as a project." About the Guest Jason Ackerman, CPA, CFP®, CGMA, is Co-Managing Partner at BNA CPA Advisors in Rock Hill, South Carolina, and Co-Founder & CFO of WealthRabbit. He joined BNA, the firm his father founded in 1977, in 2012, and now helps lead a team of 35 on the CPA side doing close to $8 million in revenue. He earned his BS in Accounting from NYU and is a member of the AICPA and the SC Association of CPAs. Website: https://www.bnacpa.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jasonlackerman/ About the Hosts: Tom Wadelton is a Virtual CFO at Anders, bringing over 20 years of financial expertise from his tenure at a Fortune 500 company. He has extensive experience spanning financial management, accounting operations, and information technology integration. Tom specializes in delivering strategic Virtual CFO services, helping businesses optimize their financial performance through advanced accounting solutions. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomwadelton/ Adam Hale, CPA, is a Partner and Managing Director of Advisory at Anders, dedicated to transforming traditional accounting practices through innovative Virtual CFO services. With over 20 years in public accounting, Adam has been instrumental in the ideation and development of CPA training courses. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamhalecpa/ About the Show The Modern CPA Success Show is the go-to podcast for accounting firm owners eager to enhance profitability and master Virtual CFO services. This podcast leverages combined expertise in delivering top-tier Virtual CFO services across North America. Website: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2458888 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/AndersCPA LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/anders-cpa/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/anderscpa/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@andersvcfo #VirtualCFO #AccountingAI #CPAFirmGrowth