MinistryWatch Podcast

Warren Smith and Natasha Smith

Transparency and accountability are vital to the renewal of the evangelical church in America. Hosts Warren Smith and Natasha Smith highlight the top stories of the week from the unique MinistryWatch perspective and give you a peek behind the curtain to show why and how we do the investigations we do.

  1. 20h ago

    Ep. 642: Steve Wood on Trial, Voice of the Martyrs Accusations, Samaritan’s Purse’s Low Ratings

    Below is a script for today’s podcast. Links to resources mentioned in the episode are included in the script. Christina Hello, everyone, I’m Christina Darnell, the managing editor of MinistryWatch. Welcome to the MinistryWatch podcast. In today’s extra episode, I talk with Warren Smith about some news items that are slightly (even significantly) outside of our normal charity and philanthropy “beat.” So, Warren, what’s up first?   Warren   The trial of Anglican Archbishop Steve Wood concluded last Friday, Sept. 11. The trial included five days of testimony from 38 witnesses. Acting Archbishop Julian Dobbs released a statement asking for “patience and prayer as we wait on an opinion from the Court.” Christina By church law, the court has up to 101 days to issue its decision. Warren My sources tell me that even if he is acquitted, he will have a hard time leading the denomination, given the serious “hit” his credibility has taken by this process. Christina Missy Hanks of The ELM Foundation in Huntsville, Ala., and Misty Kelso of Watered Gardens Ministries in Joplin, Mo., recently testified before the U.S. House of Representatives at a hearing on federal welfare programs. Warren I’ve become a fan of both these organizations. We’ve written about Watered Gardens here at MinistryWatch. They are both a part of the True Charity Network, which we’ve also written about here. Christina So what did they say in their testimony? Warren Hanks described an “effort-based” model in which participants work, set goals and build education and job skills. She said assistance should be a bridge, not a source of dependency, and argued that work provides more than income. It builds confidence, skills, social connections and dignity. Christina Kelso works with women experiencing homelessness, addiction and poverty. Warren She drew on her own recovery in her testimony. She said people need more than immediate material assistance. They need relationships, redemption, hope and human dignity. She described work as something that eventually gave her purpose rather than merely a paycheck. Both women argued that effective assistance should address individual barriers while helping people move toward stability and independence. Watch their testimony here. Missy begins at 22:00 and Misty begins at 33:05. Christina One of the most common complaints we get here at MinistryWatch is about our low rating for Samaritan’s Purse. The ministry has earned a “Withhold Giving” rating from MinistryWatch. Warren I get emails regularly from people telling me what great work the ministry does, asking why the low rating. The answer, I often say, “It’s not magic. It’s math.” In other words, a close look at Samaritan’s Purse reveals that it spent nearly $100 million on fundraising alone last year. It now has more than $2.4 billion in assets, with nearly $1.4 billion of that in cash. Christina But don’t they need that much cash to do the things they do? Warren Samaritan’s Purse is remarkable in many ways. It is large enough to be able to do things that no other ministry can do. But it is sitting on mountains of cash while still spending another mountain of cash trying to get people to give them more. I think their behavior is questionable, at best, and I think they well deserve the low rating we give them. (Though it grieves me to say so.) I should also add that the organization just withdrew from the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability, after being a member for decades. This action should be another “red flag” for donors. Christina But didn’t Samaritan’s Purse recently turn down $300 million from the federal government? Warren They did. And when they did, Franklin Graham, Samaritan’s Purse president, said the organization “always relied on God, not government, for funding.” It’s a laudable statement. It is also simply not true. They’ve been taking government money for years, including $75 million in 2024. I think Samaritan’s Purse did the right thing by turning down that money. I just wish Graham had told the truth about why. So, for all of these reasons, MinistryWatch stands by its rating of Samaritan’s Purse, and it’s our hope that it will take steps to but more transparency and accountability into its operations. Christina Another common email we get here at MinistryWatch regards Voice of the Martyrs. Warren The emails we get are nearly identical, leading me to believe they are part of a campaign. The emails complain about VOM’s $28 million expenditure on a headquarters campus, expenditures that took place 15 years ago. Also, in 2012, the president of VOM, Tom White, was credibly accused of sexually abusing a minor girl.  When the charges became public, he committed suicide. Christina That’s a horrible story. Warren It is, so let me take the Tom White story first. It does raise some concerns about how a man could have gotten to be president of a major Christian organization with such a character, but I investigated this case pretty hard around 2013 and 2014. I interviewed the chief of the police department in Bartlesville, and reporters who had covered the story, in addition to some of those who were accusing White and VOM of wrongdoing. Christina What did you find? Warren I could find nothing that led me to believe there was anything systemically wrong at VOM. To be clear: The fact that I found no wrong-doing doesn’t mean there WAS no wrong-doing (other than Tom White’s obvious wrongdoing), but I looked hard and couldn’t find it. Christina So what about the headquarters building? Warren I don’t have an opinion about whether the building is extravagant or not. It is certainly nice, and it did cost a lot of money. But I would also note that according to VOM audits, the property is now worth as much as $50 million, nearly twice what they paid for it. Whether it was extravagant or not is not up to me to decide. It does, however, seem to have been a pretty good investment. Besides, what I think is kind of beside the point. That decision was made by the board and it appears to have been fully disclosed to its donors. None of this was done in secret. I found nothing inappropriate about the way the organization communicated with donors or the public about its headquarters building. Christina What does our profile of Voice of the Martyrs say? Warren You can read our profile of Voice of the Martyrs here. It shows an organization that is not perfect in terms of financial management. And it no longer releases a Form 990, which we think is a huge red flag. We give VOM an “Exercise Caution” rating. I’ll be honest. I wouldn’t give to the ministry myself. There are too many other ministries in our database that does what it does, with much higher ratings. But I am reluctant to endorse or condemn a ministry. We try to find information and make it available to donors and to the public and let them decide. So, while I would not give VOM a completely clean bill-of-health, I can say that we looked hard at the accusations and couldn’t find anything that we thought rose to the level of wrongdoing.   Christina Any final thoughts before we go? Warren MinistryWatch on YouTube. If you have not discovered our YouTube channel, check it out here. We now have 200 videos there, and they have attracted tens of thousands of views. Subscribe, like, and share to spread the word about our work. Christina The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. I’m Christina Darnell, along with Warren Smith. Until next time, may God bless you.

  2. 1d ago

    Ep. 641: A Conversation with Celebrity Evangelist Dylan Novak

    Today we’re talking with Dylan Novak, a man who has built an unusual career at the intersection of evangelism, celebrity culture, and social media. Novak is an evangelist who has become known for taking the Christian message into places where traditional evangelism rarely goes—particularly into the world of entertainment. He has developed relationships with actors, musicians, athletes, influencers and other public figures, using those relationships as opportunities to talk openly about Jesus Christ and the Christian faith. His approach is unconventional, and that’s part of what makes his story interesting. Novak isn’t primarily operating from a church pulpit or a traditional missionary platform. Instead, he works in the highly visible and often spiritually complicated world of celebrity culture. He argues that celebrities need the gospel just as much as anyone else—and that Christians shouldn’t be afraid to engage people simply because they are famous. That work has brought Novak both opportunities and scrutiny. What does it actually mean to evangelize celebrities? How do you build genuine relationships without turning evangelism into a networking strategy? And what happens when someone with millions of followers becomes interested in Christianity? In this conversation, Novak talks about his calling, his encounters with celebrities, and what he has learned about sharing the gospel in a culture increasingly shaped by fame, influence and social media. Here’s a link to his website: https://celebrityevangelist.org/home The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. I’m Warren Smith. Until next time, may God bless you.

  3. Sep 4

    Ep. 638: Samaritan’s Purse Declines $300-M, G3 Shuts Down, Churches and Disabilities, Loving Our Muslim Neighbor

    On today’s program, Samaritan’s Purse declines a $300 million grant from a Trump funding package. The ministry says it is relying on God, not the government. But, it has accepted government money in the past. So what’s different this time? Plus, a recent Lifeway study says most pastors feel their churches are welcoming to people with disabilities — but are they? We spoke with advocates and families who say churches still have a ways to go. And, a recently proposed mosque in Texas is drawing protests from residents…and also reviving discussion about how Christians can love their Muslim neighbors without compromising their faith. We’ll take a look.  But first, a ministry network is shutting down completely. G3 Ministries announced it’s concluding operations after four leaders of the network admitted to a scheme that’s shaken the evangelical world. The pastors confessed to anonymously mailing packets to elders and deacons at a Texas church. Those packets accused pastor Tom Buck of plagiarizing sermons—dozens of times, over nearly a decade.  The producer for today’s program is Jeff McIntosh. We get editorial, database, and other technical support from Christina Darnell, Stephen DuBarry, Rod Pitzer, Heidi Allums, and Casey Sudduth. Writers who contributed to today’s program include Jessica Eturralde, Neva Piombino, Kim Roberts, Tony Mator, Stacey Horton, Makella Knowles — and you, Warren. Until next time, may God bless you.

  4. Sep 3

    Ep. 637: Unpacking The “American Experiment,” Christian Higher Ed, and Mechanized Ministry

    On today’s program: Given that this is the 250th birthday of America, there’s been a lot written about what the “American Experiment” is all about. As well as a lot of speculation about what it means to live in a Christian nation, and whether we are now or ever have been a Christian nation. Paul Miller, a contributing writer for The Dispatch, has written an excellent essay on the topic. You can find it here.  Warren interviewed Miller in 2022 for his WORLD Magazine podcast “Listening In.” You can listen to that conversation here. Also, new data regarding Christian higher education. We’ve written here at MinistryWatch that Christian higher education is in trouble, but a new article by Perry Glanzer at Christian Scholar’s Review tells a different story. Glanzer writes, “Rumors of Christian higher education’s (CHE’s) demise have been greatly exaggerated.”  We’ll examine that claim. Finally, Joshua Torrey has written a helpful article about the limitations of artificial intelligence in ministry. He concludes: “Spiritless things will eventually leave us empty. But our Christian promise is different. We have been given pastors and teachers so that we may not be tossed to and fro (Eph. 4:11–14). We are being built up into the image of the invisible (Col. 1:15; Gal. 3:27). We need the “solid food” (Heb. 5:14) that the Bible and human ministers provide. Those aims and needs cannot be satisfied by 24-7 access to a machine.” MinistryWatch on YouTube. If you have not discovered our YouTube channel, check it out here. We now have 200 videos there (including my conversation with Justin Murff), and they have attracted tens of thousands of views. Subscribe, like, and share to spread the word about our work. Readers in Nashville. I am in Nashville next week. If you live there, reach out to me. I would love to share a meal or a cup of coffee with you. My email is wsmith@ministrywatch.com.  Until next time, may God bless you.

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Transparency and accountability are vital to the renewal of the evangelical church in America. Hosts Warren Smith and Natasha Smith highlight the top stories of the week from the unique MinistryWatch perspective and give you a peek behind the curtain to show why and how we do the investigations we do.

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