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In The Idealcast, multiple award-winning CTO, researcher and bestselling author Gene Kim hosts technology and business leaders to explore the dangerous, shifting digital landscape. Listeners will hear insights and gain solutions to help their enterprises thrive in an evolving business world.

The Idealcast with Gene Kim by IT Revolutio‪n‬ Gene Kim

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In The Idealcast, multiple award-winning CTO, researcher and bestselling author Gene Kim hosts technology and business leaders to explore the dangerous, shifting digital landscape. Listeners will hear insights and gain solutions to help their enterprises thrive in an evolving business world.

    Leadership Development and Balancing Creativity and Control with Admiral John Richardson (Part I)

    Leadership Development and Balancing Creativity and Control with Admiral John Richardson (Part I)

    In the first episode of Season 2 of The Idealcast, Gene Kim speaks with Admiral John Richardson, who served as Chief of Naval Operations for four years, the top officer in the Navy. Before that, Admiral Richardson served as director of the US Naval Reactors, which is comprehensively responsible for the safe and reliable operation of the US Navy’s Nuclear Propulsion program.
     
    In part one of this two-part conversation, Kim and Admiral Richardson explore how the Department of Defense and the armed services can lead the way to respond effectively to the digital disruption agenda. Admiral Richardson discusses how he operationalized creating a high velocity learning dynamic across the entire US Navy. He also presents his theories on how we need to balance compliance and creativity. And finally, he presents some amazing examples of how to strip away the barnacles from processes, those layers of controls and supervision that may have crept in over the decades.
     
    Also joining the conversation is Dr. Steve Spear, who has written extensively about the US Naval Nuclear Propulsion Program program in his book The High-Velocity Edge.
     
    ABOUT THE GUESTS
     
    Admiral John Richardson served as the Chief of Naval Operations for four years, which is the professional head of the US Navy. While in the Navy, Richardson served in the submarine force and commanded the attack submarine USS Honolulu in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, for which he was awarded the Vice Admiral James Bond Stockdale Inspirational Leadership Award. He also served as the Director of Naval Reactors, responsible for the design, safety, certification, operating standards, material control, maintenance, disposal, and regulatory oversight of over 100 nuclear power plants operating on nuclear-powered warships deployed around the world.
     
    Since his retirement in August 2019, he has joined the boards of several major corporations and other organizations, including Boeing, the world's largest aerospace company, and Exelon, a Fortune 100 company that operates the largest fleet of nuclear plants in America and delivers power to over 10 million customers. 
     
    Dr. Steve Spear (DBA MS MS) is principal for HVE LLC, the award-winning author of The High-Velocity Edge, and patent holder for the See to Solve Real Time Alert System. A Senior Lecturer at MIT’s Sloan School and a Senior Fellow at the Institute, Dr. Spear’s work focuses on accelerating learning dynamics within organizations so that they know better and faster what to do and how to do it. This has been informed and tested in practice in multiple industries including heavy industry, high tech design, biopharm R&D, healthcare delivery and other social services, US Army rapid equipping, and US Navy readiness.  
    Visit Steve Spear's Website
     
    YOU’LL LEARN ABOUT
    Why high-velocity learning was so important to Admiral Richardson when he was the Chief of Naval Operations.
    How Admiral Richardson operationalized creating a high velocity learning dynamic across the entire US Navy.
    His views on the need to balance compliance and creativity.
    Specific advice on what leaders must do when the balance tilts too much toward compliance and has taken away people’s ability to unleash their full creative potential.
    Examples of how to strip away the barnacles from processes.
    Why radical delegations are so important.
    How Admiral Richardson came to believe that creating leadership communities and connections are essential.
    Where software competencies must show up in modern organizations.
     
    RESOURCES
    Dr. Steve Spear’s episodes on The Idealcast Part 1, summit presentations, and Part 2.
    The High-Velocity Edge: How Market Leaders Leverage Operational Excellence to Beat the Competition by Steven J. Spear.
    The Boeing Company
    Exelon
    BWX Technologies, Inc.
    Marine Corps Doctrinal Publication 7
    Tao Te Ching - Chapter 17
    Marine Corps Doctrinal Publication 1

    • 1 hr 51 min
    The Rise of Knowledge Work, and its Structure and Dynamics

    The Rise of Knowledge Work, and its Structure and Dynamics

    In the final episode of the first season of The Idealcast, Gene Kim sits down with Jeffrey Fredrick, coauthor of Agile Conversations, to synthesize and reflect upon some of the major themes from the entire season. 
    In Gene’s continued quest to understand why organizations behave the way they do, Fredrick helps connect the dots and points to new areas that deserve more study. They discuss the nature of knowledge work, including how software creation requires so much more conversation and joint cognitive work, and the challenges this presents. They also dive into the bodies of knowledge that are required as we push more decision making and value creation to the edges of the organization. 
    Then, Gene and Fredrick revisit the concept of integration and why it’s so much more important now than 50 years ago. And finally, they discuss why “Are you happy?” and “Are you proud of your work?” are two very powerful questions and what they actually reveal about people and the work they’re performing. And why this is all so important as we try to create organizations that maximize learning for everyone.
    BIO:
    Jeffrey Fredrick is an internationally recognized expert in software development with over 25 years’ experience covering both sides of the business/technology divide. His experience includes roles as Vice President of Product Management, Vice President of Engineering, and Chief Evangelist. He has also worked as an independent consultant on topics including corporate strategy, product management, marketing, and interaction design. Jeffrey is based in London and is currently Managing Director of TIM, an Acuris Company. He also runs the London Organisational Learning Meetup and is a CTO mentor through CTO Craft.
     
    Twitter: https://twitter.com/Jtf 
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jfredrick/
    Website: https://www.conversationaltransformation.com/
     
    YOU’LL LEARN ABOUT
    The nature of knowledge work and how it requires more conversation and joint cognitive work and the challenges it presents
    The body of knowledge required in decision making and value creation for the organization
    Concepts of integration and why it’s important now
    What the questions, “Are you happy?” and “Are you proud of your work?,” reveal about people and their work
    How Dr. Thomas Kuhns’s work pertains to management models
    RESOURCES
    Agile Conversations: Transform Your Conversations, Transform Your Culture by Douglas Squirrel and Jeffrey Fredrick
    Continuous Integration and Testing Conference (CITCON)
    The Structure of Scientific Revolutions by Dr. Thomas Kuhn
    A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry (ACOUP)
    The Five Dysfunctions of a Team by Patrick Lencioni
    Dr. Steve Spear’s episode on The Idealcast
    Dr. Steve Spear’s 2020 DevOps Enterprise Summit Talk
    Michael Nygard’s episode on The Idealcast
    MIT’s Beer Game
    Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman
    The DevOps Enterprise Journal
    Reinventing Organizations by Frederic Laloux
    Crossing the Chasm: Marketing and Selling High-Tech Products to Mainstream Customers by Geoffrey A. Moore
    Command in War by Martin van Creveld
    Continuous Deployment at IMVU: Doing the impossible fifty times a day by Timothy Fitz
    Sooner Safer Happier: Antipatterns and Patterns for Business Agility by Jonathan Smart
     
    TIMESTAMPS
     
    [00:11] Intro
    [03:13] Meet Jeffrey Fredrick
    [03:54] Why conversations are important
    [08:03] Why conversations are more important now than 100 years ago
    [11:02] The Five Dysfunctions of a Team
    [13:08] Integration
    [16:33] The need for better integration now
    [20:18] What is information hiding and why it’s important
    [26:32] The pace of change moves the trade-off
    [31:41] Two important questions to ask
    [42:17] The system of fast and slow
    [48:25] Selection bias
    [51:07] Thank you from Gene
    [52:13] Jeffrey’s significant a-ha moment
    [59:45] Injecting change
    [1:06:24] Structure and dynamics
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    • 1 hr 51 min
    The Principles and Practices Behind Team of Teams (Part 2)

    The Principles and Practices Behind Team of Teams (Part 2)

    This episode of The Idealcast features the second part of Gene Kim’s interview with Team of Teams coauthor and CrossLead CEO David Silverman and CrossLead Head of R&D Jessica Reif. 
    In this episode, they take up the topic of how internal marketplaces are structures that can connect mid-level leaders to each other, helping allocate scarce resources to where they're needed most, which enables the further unlocking of capacities.
    They discuss challenges around the cost of change and the new skills that mid-level leaders need in order to survive and thrive in an era where being functionally excellent in one’s own silo is not enough.
    They further talk about the similarities between special operations and agile, especially comparing and contrasting terms that further concretize concepts the agile and DevOps community have held for years but struggled to name. And finally, they discuss where we go from here.
    BIO:
    David Silverman
    Entrepreneur, bestselling author, and former Navy SEAL, David Silverman is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of CrossLead, Inc. Founded in 2016, CrossLead is a technology company whose leadership and management framework is used by leaders and companies around the globe.  
    In 2015, David co-authored the New York Times bestselling leadership and management book Team of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World. As a thought leader on culture change, high-performing teams, and leadership, he is a frequent guest speaker for business leaders and conferences around the globe.
    After his 13-year career as a Navy SEAL, David and a group of like-minded friends sought to reinvent the way the world does business in today’s dynamic environment. Based on their collective service in the world’s premier Special Operations Units, they devised a holistic leadership and management framework called CrossLead. Today, CrossLead is a leading framework for scaling agile practices across the enterprise. Implemented in some of the world’s most successful organizations, CrossLead drives faster time-to-market, dramatic increases in productivity, improvement in employee engagement, and more predictable business results. 
    Prior to CrossLead, David co-founded the McChrystal Group where he served as CEO for five years. A graduate of the United States Naval Academy, David served as a Navy SEAL from 1998-2011. He graduated Basic Underwater Demolition School (BUD/S) Class 221 in 1999 as the Honor Man. David deployed six times around the world, including combat deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Southeast Asia where he received three Bronze Stars and numerous other commendations. 
    David serves on the advisory board of the Headstrong Project and is a member of the Young Presidents’ Organization. David lives in Washington, DC, with his wife, Hollis, and their two children. He maintains an active lifestyle as a waterman and runner.  
    Twitter: @dksilverman
    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-silverman-648035a/
    Website: https://www.crosslead.com/
    Jess Reif                                                                                       
    Jessica Reif is the Director of Research & development for CrossLead Inc, where she leverages the latest management research to develop new approaches to increasing business agility for CrossLead’s clients. She leads CrossLead’s education efforts and has developed training programs that have been delivered to over 20,000 leaders. Previously, Jessica served as a Product Delivery Manager for applied machine learning and engineering teams at Oracle Data Cloud, where her role was to facilitate agile development among a team-of-teams. Jessica holds a B.S. in Industrial and Labor Relations from Cornell University. In her free time, she enjoys golfing, baking, and hiking. 
    Twitter:

    • 1 hr 26 min
    (Dispatch from the Scenius) David Silverman’s DevOps Enterprise Summit London 2020 Talk

    (Dispatch from the Scenius) David Silverman’s DevOps Enterprise Summit London 2020 Talk

    In the latest Dispatch from the Scenius, Gene Kim shares David Silverman’s 2020 presentation from DevOps Enterprise Summit London - Virtual. In a continuation of Episode 11, the Team of Teams coauthor and CEO of CrossLead talks about the key concepts from Team of Teams, and provides even more context for so many of the topics covered in last week’s episode. 
     
    David talks about the genesis of the joint special operations command, which was created after the failure of the daring Iran hostage rescue in 1979, and how it found itself in 2003 in Afghanistan and Iraq, tactically winning but strategically losing, unable to find terrorist leaders of Al Qaeda in Iraq. He describes the principles that they drew upon, which will be familiar to almost everyone in the DevOps community, the practices that it led to, the amazing outcomes that resulted, as well as the leadership skills needed in this new world. 

    BIO:
    David Silverman
    Entrepreneur, bestselling author, and former Navy SEAL, David Silverman is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of CrossLead, Inc. Founded in 2016, CrossLead is a technology company whose leadership and management framework is used by leaders and companies around the globe.  
    In 2015, David co-authored the New York Times bestselling leadership and management book Team of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World. As a thought leader on culture change, high-performing teams, and leadership, he is a frequent guest speaker for business leaders and conferences around the globe.
    After his 13-year career as a Navy SEAL, David and a group of like-minded friends sought to reinvent the way the world does business in today’s dynamic environment. Based on their collective service in the world’s premier Special Operations Units, they devised a holistic leadership and management framework called CrossLead. Today, CrossLead is a leading framework for scaling agile practices across the enterprise. Implemented in some of the world’s most successful organizations, CrossLead drives faster time-to-market, dramatic increases in productivity, improvement in employee engagement, and more predictable business results. 
    Prior to CrossLead, David co-founded the McChrystal Group where he served as CEO for five years. A graduate of the United States Naval Academy, David served as a Navy SEAL from 1998-2011. He graduated Basic Underwater Demolition School (BUD/S) Class 221 in 1999 as the Honor Man. David deployed six times around the world, including combat deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Southeast Asia where he received three Bronze Stars and numerous other commendations. 
    David serves on the advisory board of the Headstrong Project and is a member of the Young Presidents’ Organization. David lives in Washington, DC, with his wife, Hollis, and their two children. He maintains an active lifestyle as a waterman and runner.  
    Twitter: @dksilverman
    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-silverman-648035a/
    Website: https://www.crosslead.com/
     
    YOU’LL LEARN ABOUT:
    Key concepts from the book, Team of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World
    The genesis of the joint special operations command
    How the principles, practices, outcomes and leaderships relate to the DevOps community
     
    RESOURCES
     
    Team of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World by General Stanley McChrystal, Tantum Collins, David Silverman and Chris Fussell
    Cynefin framework
     
    TIMESTAMPS
     
    [00:08] Intro
    [01:56] Meet David Silverman
    [04:05] The inception of US special operations
    [07:35] Best practices associated with management
    [10:59] Cynefin framework
    [11:53] Complexity environment
    [14:32] How to senior business leadership can communicate effectively and persuasively
    [15:59] Back to fundamentals
    [19:55] DevOps Enterprise Summit Las Vegas - Virtual
    [21:33] Think as a living organism
    [23:19] Model of radical transp

    • 35 min
    The Principles and Practices Behind Team of Teams (Part 1)

    The Principles and Practices Behind Team of Teams (Part 1)

    In this episode of The Idealcast, Gene Kim sits down with Team of Team’s coauthor and CEO of Crosslead, David Silverman, and Director of Research and Development at CrossLead, Jessica Reif, for a two-part interview. 
    In Team of Teams, David and his coauthors explained how the Joint Special Forces Task Force in Iraq was struggling to achieve its mission, and how they turned it into a success. Their experience led to a deep and critical rethinking of almost everything in US military services and in the commercial industry. Now at CrossLead, David works with Jessica Reif to continue researching and codifying these practices into their management framework.
    In Part 1 of the interview, Gene and his guests discuss the structure and dynamics of the transformation described in Team of Teams and how these leadership characteristics are needed today in the new ways of working. This leadership framework reinforces the concepts of common purpose, shared consciousness, empowerment, and trust within organizations to help teams work together more effectively in complex environments, particularly when they have to continuously adapt to change. Stay tuned for Part 2.
     
    BIO:
    David Silverman
    Entrepreneur, bestselling author, and former Navy SEAL, David Silverman is the Founder and Chief Executive Officer of CrossLead, Inc. Founded in 2016, CrossLead is a technology company whose leadership and management framework is used by leaders and companies around the globe.  
    In 2015, David co-authored the New York Times bestselling leadership and management book Team of Teams: New Rules of Engagement for a Complex World. As a thought leader on culture change, high-performing teams, and leadership, he is a frequent guest speaker for business leaders and conferences around the globe.
    After his 13-year career as a Navy SEAL, David and a group of like-minded friends sought to reinvent the way the world does business in today’s dynamic environment. Based on their collective service in the world’s premier Special Operations Units, they devised a holistic leadership and management framework called CrossLead. Today, CrossLead is a leading framework for scaling agile practices across the enterprise. Implemented in some of the world’s most successful organizations, CrossLead drives faster time-to-market, dramatic increases in productivity, improvement in employee engagement, and more predictable business results. 
    Prior to CrossLead, David co-founded the McChrystal Group where he served as CEO for five years. A graduate of the United States Naval Academy, David served as a Navy SEAL from 1998-2011. He graduated Basic Underwater Demolition School (BUD/S) Class 221 in 1999 as the Honor Man. David deployed six times around the world, including combat deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and Southeast Asia where he received three Bronze Stars and numerous other commendations. 
    David serves on the advisory board of the Headstrong Project and is a member of the Young Presidents’ Organization. David lives in Washington, DC, with his wife, Hollis, and their two children. He maintains an active lifestyle as a waterman and runner.  
    Twitter: @dksilverman
    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-silverman-648035a/
    Website: https://www.crosslead.com/
    Jess Reif                                                                                       
    Jessica Reif is the Director of Research & development for CrossLead Inc, where she leverages the latest management research to develop new approaches to increasing business agility for CrossLead’s clients. She leads CrossLead’s education efforts and has developed training programs that have been delivered to over 20,000 leaders. Previously, Jessica served as a Product Delivery Manager for applied machine learning and engineer

    • 1 hr 44 min
    The Surprising Implications of Architecting for Generality

    The Surprising Implications of Architecting for Generality

    On this continuation of Gene Kim’s interview with Michael Nygard, Senior Vice President, Travel Solutions Platform Development Enterprise Architecture, for Sabre, they discuss his reflections on Admiral Rickover's work with the US Naval Reactor Core and how it may or may not resonate with the principles we hold so near and dear in the DevOps community. They also tease apart the learnings from the architecture of the Toyota Production System and their ability to drive down the cost of change. 
    They also discuss how we can tell when there are genuinely too many “musical notes” or when those extra notes allow for better and simpler systems that are easier to build and maintain and can even make other systems around them simpler too? And how so many of the lessons and sensibilities came from working with Rich Hickey, the creator of the Clojure programming language. 
    Bio:
    Michael Nygard strives to raise the bar and ease the pain for developers around the world. He shares his passion and energy for improvement with everyone he meets, sometimes even with their permission. Living with systems in production taught Michael about the importance of operations and writing production-ready software. Highly-available, highly-scalable commerce systems are his forte.
    Michael has written and co-authored several books, including 97 Things Every Software Architect Should Know and the bestseller Release It!, a book about building software that survives the real world. He is a highly sought speaker who addresses developers, architects, and technology leaders around the world.
    Michael is currently Senior Vice President, Travel Solutions Platform Development Enterprise Architecture, for Sabre, the company reimagining the business of travel.
     
    Twitter: @mtnygard
    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mtnygard/
    Website: https://www.michaelnygard.com/
     
    You’ll Learn About:
    Admiral Rickover’s work with the Naval Nuclear Reactor Core
    Building great architecture for generality.
    Architecture as an organizing logic and means of software construction.
    Toyota Production System’s ability to drive down the cost of change through architecture
    Clojure programming language
    Cynefin framework
    How to know if a code is simpler or more complex
     
    RESOURCES
    Cynefin framework
    Failure Is Not an Option: Mission Control from Mercury to Apollo 13 and Beyond by Gene Kranz
    "Why software development is an engineering discipline," presentation by Glenn Vanderburg at O'Reilly Software Architecture Conference
    "10+ Deploys Per Day: Dev and Ops Cooperation," presentation by John Allspaw
    "Architecture Without an End State," presentation by Michael T. Nygard at YOW! 2012
    "Spec-ulation Keynote," presentation by Rich Hickey
    re-frame (re-frame is the magnificent UI framework which both Mike and I love using and hold in the highest regard — by no means should the "too many notes" comment be construed that re-frame has too many notes!)
    "Fabulous Fortunes, Fewer Failures, and Faster Fixes from Functional Fundamentals," presentation by Scott Havens at DevOps Enterprise Summit Las Vegas, 2019
    "Clojure for Java Programmers Part 1," presentation by Rich Hickey at NYC Java Study Group
    Simple Made Easy presentation by Rich Hickey at Strange Loop 2011
    Love Letter To Clojure (Part 1) by Gene Kim
    The Idealcast, Episode 5: The Pursuit of Perfection: Dominant Architectures, Structure, and Dynamics: A Conversation With Dr. Steve Spear
    LambdaCast podcast hosted by David Koontz

    TIMESTAMPS
     
    [00:09] Intro
    [02:19] Mike’s reflections on Steve Spear, Admiral Rickover and the US Naval reactor core
    [04:33] Admiral Rickover’s 1962 memo
    [08:13] Cynefin framework
    [12:40] Applying to software engineering
    [16:06] Gene tells Mike a Steve Spear’s story
    [18:58] 10+ deploys a day everyday at Flickr
    [19:43] Back to the story
    [24:34] Why the story is important
    [27:35] When notes are useful
    [35:05

    • 1 hr 30 min

Customer Reviews

4.9 out of 5
24 Ratings

24 Ratings

Carl from chicago ,

A great podcast about technology

I listen to many podcasts about technology and business and this is one of the best ones.

Gene Kim goes deep in his interviews and also incorporates voice overs into the material in case a subtle point was made or if it wasn’t emphasized enough.

These are usually much longer podcasts and they require focus to listen to. Often they take very long discussions and break them into 2-3 podcasts. This is not just a “quick take” on a complex topic, they go deep into the back story and the “why”.

I also highly recommend the books that they refer to in the podcast they are universally excellent.

But if you have no context on development or dev ops likely these podcasts will be a steep slog for you.

JerDoug ,

Thanks for this podcast!

I continue to learn so much from Gene and Mik, and for the last 10+ years they’ve shown how economic value is actually created in organizations today. But how they unpack key business ideals and transformation with Peter Moore, a business strategist, is amazing. Thank you for this podcast and for the vision ahead!

Aletics ,

More from the author of The Phoenix Project

Loved all the books from Gene Kim, and now I'm looking forward to more episodes of his podcast after listening to the first one.

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