Out of Rich Darkness

C Savage-Kroll and E Cheah

Creativity, beauty, and growth often have their roots in times of crisis. What feels like darkness and decay can be rich soil for new life and for yet unimagined ways of being. Conceived during the Corona-pandemic, this podcast is a space for candid conversations about life, music, and nourishing a regenerative culture in the arts. Co-hosts Elena Cheah and Camille Savage-Kroll are friends and colleagues at the Hochschule für Musik in Freiburg, Germany.

  1. 11/23/2022

    Ralf Schmid: music as a mirror of reality

    Ralf Schmid is a pianist, arranger, composer, big band leader, and seeker of new sounds and techniques. He has performed internationally as a soloist and with his ensemble, Bossarenova Trio. He’s led the big bands of Copenhagen, Hamburg, Berlin, Stuttgart and Frankfurt and has collaborated with musicians of various genres including Whitney Houston, Daniel Hope, Herbie Hancock, Natalie Cole, and many more. His musical theater piece “A Distant Drum” was premiered at Carnegie Hall and in South Africa. Most recently, he has been performing shows that involve two grand pianos and two gloves equipped with digital sensors that allow him to create live effects using gestures in the air; in 2019 he used this setup to record his solo album Pyanook. Ralf is a prolific YouTuber and Instagrammer, and during the lockdown of 2020, he began a live stream series of remote song collaborations with singer Paula Morelenbaum among others, and a series called ‘soil music,’ which draws attention to the current climate crisis. This conversation took place on November 22nd, 2021. We spoke to him about: Spontaneous music-making in the family as a child Reading the room Switching roles between ‘captains’ and followers in an ensemble Letting go of expectations to maintain artistic integrity When technical things go wrong Vulnerability as a performer Developing his show Pyanook with 2 grand pianos on stage Working with ensembles that improvise and use live electronics His new piano concerto Music as a mirror of our present reality Creativity as a means of activism Finding his message as a soloist Life as a musician in New York in the 1990s Striving for more equality and diversity in positions of power Check out his recently released single Soil Music

    Ralf Schmid: music as a mirror of reality

  2. 11/02/2022

    Emma-Louise Jordan: The Resonating Body

    Emma-Louise Jordan is a dancer and a choreographer. Originally from the UK, she studied classical dance in London at the Legat School of Russian ballet and at the Rambert School of Ballet and Contemporary Dance. As a dancer, she toured Europe with the Midlands Dance Company and the Vienna Festival Ballet and danced in Germany with Ballet Schindowski in Gelsenkirchen, Tanzwerk Nürnberg, and Theater Dortmund, among others. In 1999, she joined the Theater Freiburg with Amanda Miller and the interdisciplinary ballet company Pretty Ugly. Her work as a director and choreographer is not only full of wit and charm, but is also often deeply moving. Emma-Louise works with not just professionals but also amateurs: elderly people, teenagers, and people with and without disabilities. She truly has a gift for helping people express themselves, and we are incredibly lucky to call her our colleague at the Music University of Freiburg. This conversation with Emma-Louise Jordan took place on December 15th, 2021, before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. We spoke to her about: Emma’s start in the dance world Not getting into the Royal Ballet and how that changed her life for the better Discovering modern dance Being more ambitious about dance than career The association of classical music with perfect ballet technique “Functioning” as a dancer beyond the body’s capacity Learning how to channel her energy to her best use Working with non-professionals and their refreshing lack of baggage, how it is “almost more of a handicap to have this training” The utopia of having no exams for dance in a music school Connecting to breathing Gyrokinesis®: touching and resonating in the body Beginning to use her voice after finishing her dance career: movement becoming more creative by voicing things How she ‘tricks herself’ out of her own habits of creativity How she facilitates creativity for amateurs, tricking people out of being self-conscious Integrating music into dance Giving people security to allow for experimentation Keeping people in intense movement so they will stay in their bodies, not just in their heads Some of Emma’s favorite music: Gavin Bryars: Jesus’ Blood Never Failed Me Yet Bon Iver: Blindsided Portico Quartet: Knee-Deep in the North Sea J.S. Bach: Matthäus-Passion, BW 244 J.S. Bach: The Goldberg Variations, BWV 988, Glen Gould The Swingle Singers: Jazz Sebastian Bach

  3. 10/21/2022

    Johannes Schöllhorn: Unconscious Rhythm

    Our conversation with Johannes Schöllhorn, composer and professor of composition at the Music University of Freiburg, is at turns deeply philosophical, thought-provoking, and playful. Johannes Schöllhorn is a prolific composer, a conductor of leading ensembles and orchestras around the world, and also a teacher. His many compositions include works for musical theater, orchestra, chamber music ensembles, solo players, and original arrangements and instrumentations. This conversation took place on November 8th, 2021, and we spoke to him about: His very first experience with music Being IN sound as opposed to listening TO it Creating special moments for the ear when viewing art What he would have done if he hadn’t become a musician Cultivating an “unconscious rhythm” The importance of dreams and being “out of time” Conceiving of art as a person Deep flaws in our music education system and why such a strong focus on the past is, in fact, a betrayal of the past Genius as a partner His interests outside of music, including writing a book! His book Karte, Uhr und Partitur is now available.

    Johannes Schöllhorn: Unconscious Rhythm

  4. 10/13/2021

    Cathy Milliken

    Cathy Milliken is an oboist, composer, and visionary educator who takes great joy in facilitating creativity and participation. She has won international recognition as a leading composer, creative director, performer and educational program consultant. She was a founding member of the Ensemble Modern Frankfurt. As a composer, she has been commissioned by the Berliner Staatsoper, Donaueschinger Musiktage, South Bank Centre London, The Experimental Electronic Studio of Freiburg, Concerto Köln, and Musica Viva of Munich, to name just a few of many. From 2005 – 2012, Cathy Milliken was Director of the Education Program of the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra. Participatory compositional projects in recent years have taken her to South Africa, Japan, and Oman. She is part of the creative team for the Munich Biennale for Music Theatre and serves as an honorary member of advisory boards for the German Music Council and the Goethe Institute. Her collaborative composition Stadtlied (City Song) was premiered in the Elbphilharmonie in Hamburg in 2019. Elena last saw Cathy in October 2020 at the Radialsystem in Berlin, where her work Ode for All was premiered as part of a celebration of Beethoven’s 250th birthday. It was originally supposed to be a work for six female choirs from across Eastern Europe all composing and improvising their own odes to joy, and in the end, because of the pandemic, it became a video installation featuring the soloists of those choirs, which was very moving. In this episode, we talk about: How the pandemic influenced her listening and creating Working with female choirs from Eastern Europe in her project Ode for All Meeting in Istanbul (watch the video) “Improvisers” vs. “readers” Bringing very different people together to create new synergies How she got into facilitating composition Her book Zukunft@Bphil How the design of a project should be like a composition Planning a project the way you would plan a party to make everyone feel welcome and valuable: have a structure and then throw it away if necessary The importance of having enough time in order to transport people out of their everyday How improvising helps all performers, even if it’s only playing in your own room The importance of good friends to help pick you up if a concert didn’t go so well, and of people who challenge you Knowing the difference between challenging and destructive Prejudice, intentional or not, against female composers Switching from creator to performer

    Cathy Milliken

  5. 10/05/2021

    Johnny Gandelsman

    We were thrilled to have Johnny Gandelsman on our podcast. Elena first met Johnny in the late 1990s and he has made a fascinating career ever since. As a founding member of Brooklyn Rider and a member of the Silkroad Ensemble, Johnny has closely worked with such luminaries as Bela Fleck, Martin Hayes, Kayhan Kalhor, Yo-Yo Ma, Mark Morris, Anne Sofie Van Otter, Alim Qasimov & Fargana Qasimova, Joshua Redman, Suzanne Vega, Abigail Washburn and Damian Woetzel. He has appeared with Bono, David Byrne, Renee Fleming, Rhiannon Giddens, I'm With Her, Christian McBride, and many others. Here are some of the topics we covered in this long and fascinating conversation: The Russian school of violin playing and crying in lessons The Wild Ginger Philharmonic, a student-founded orchestra Elena and Johnny both played in in the 1990s, and how the innovative aspects of it influenced how he makes music now How he approaches music education for his own children— music and soccer and pure passion for childhood pursuits Missing out on childhood and choosing your own path “There isn’t some higher being that knows everything there is to know about how to play Mozart or Beethoven and they will tell you and then you’ll do it and you’ll be perfect.” What is the ‘right way’ to interpret a score? Curiosity and inquiry in interpretation Brooklyn Rider’s omnivorous approach to music-making and collaborations with amazing musicians from genres across the board Different kinds of improvisation and learning to assimilate new styles The Bach cello suites on the violin What would a creative musical education look like? Brooklyn RIder’s album Healing Modes, which asked 5 different composers what healing means to them in a variety of contexts Celebrating great living composers and the joy of being able to ask them questions about their intentions Bringing music into the middle of our lives and the power of just being in a room together with people Performers taking their audiences for granted “You cannot create magic without the active participation of the audience” Taking risks in performance and creating memorable moments Making the concert hall a place where people can really be themselves as they can at home while watching a livestream (but maybe with pants on) Pandemic pursuits: sourdough baking, playing the ukulele, time with family You can learn more about Johnny and find tour dates on his website: https://johnnygandelsman.com/

  6. 09/28/2021

    Erin Snell

    In this episode, we talk about the importance of a nurtured community of people, or as Erin says, “framily,” supporting one another and setting intentions collectively, investing in the human beings around you, and knowing when to let go of relationships that are not nurturing. We discuss why cultivating passions outside of music and having friends who are not musicians is important, getting out of a limiting mindset, showing up for ourselves, and taking baby steps out of our comfort zones. Erin is a creative powerhouse whose colorful resume includes major roles as an opera singer, producing live television, and making snow sculptures. We loved this conversation with her and so did our students, and we think you will too.

    Erin Snell

  7. 09/21/2021

    Steph Richards

    This episode has been in the cupboard for a reeeeeallly long time for reasons we went into in our first episode of the season, but we still think it's a fantastic listen. It was a pleasure discovering the fearless creator that is Steph Richards. We talk about Steph’s latest album “Supersense” (listen here: https://stephrichards.bandcamp.com/album/supersense), her creative process, and how one of her goals is creating music that you can almost taste! We also speak to Steph about concerts as spell casting, which includes taking things into consideration like the temperature of the room. We discuss what can be learned from commercial music, why building a rich community is so essential, and the idea that “you are what you eat” as an artist. We also talk about the best time for musicians to take risks and what risk-taking has to do with artistry. We explore the following questions: what does it mean to think past our own instruments? What can we learn from musicians who play other instruments, and what role can different materials play in our music-making? https://www.stephrichards.com

    Steph Richards

  8. 09/14/2021

    Return or reboot?

    In this episode, we talk about what we are currently thinking about and struggling with as the pandemic allows for more freedom. Are we trying to go back to how things were as fast as possible? Are we holding on to ideas just because they are familiar to us? Or are we consciously entering a new era and building musicals lives that allow us to thrive?  We also introduce our new podcast season. Our fascinating guests are all innovators in the music landscape, and we loved digging into the details of the paths they carved and how they are actively shaping the future of music.  What does your reboot look like? Leave us a message on Facebook or Instagram, or you can leave us a voice message on Anchor (https://anchor.fm/outofrichdarkness).

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Creativity, beauty, and growth often have their roots in times of crisis. What feels like darkness and decay can be rich soil for new life and for yet unimagined ways of being. Conceived during the Corona-pandemic, this podcast is a space for candid conversations about life, music, and nourishing a regenerative culture in the arts. Co-hosts Elena Cheah and Camille Savage-Kroll are friends and colleagues at the Hochschule für Musik in Freiburg, Germany.

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  • Creator
    C Savage-Kroll and E Cheah
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2022
  • Episodes
    19
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © C Savage-Kroll and E Cheah
  • Show Website
    Out of Rich Darkness