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  1. 4d ago

    Is AI Killing Creativity? ChatGPT, Filmmaking & Thinking for Yourself | Get Reelisms S4E197

    Radiation Week 2, Proof of Concept Plans, and the Dangers of “AI Psychosis” Adam Chase Rani and Christine Chen host the Get Reelisms podcast (around episode 196), discussing indie filmmaking pressures and life balance after Adam’s 2022 burnout from putting life on hold for career milestones. Christine shares updates that week two of radiation is done and she feels physically fine, while also coming off egg retrieval hormones after producing many eggs; she hopes to shoot two proof-of-concept scenes next week before expected fatigue increases. They reflect on creativity as therapeutic, the brain’s roles in creativity vs essential functions, and how life experiences improve storytelling, including Adam’s decision to go to Burning Man. The conversation shifts to frustrations with overly cautious ChatGPT responses, concerns about “AI psychosis,” and examples of people relying on AI for relationships, emotions, and even marital arguments, urging listeners to use AI as a tool and seek real human support.   About Christine W Chen: Christine W. Chen is a Taiwanese American filmmaker, Academy member (Short Films Branch), and versatile producer, director, and writer known for bold, character-driven storytelling. Through her production company, Moth to Flame, she has created award-winning short films, features, and branded content—including Erzulie, a feminist swamp thriller that had a limited theatrical run and now streams on major platforms. In addition to her directorial work, Christine is a seasoned DGA 1st Assistant Director and co-author of Get Reelisms and ABCs of Filmmaking, as well as the co-host of the Get Reelisms Podcast. For more information about Christine Chen: christinewchen.com About Adam Rani: Adam Chase Rani is a production designer and set dresser working in the Austin film market, bringing a sharp eye for visual storytelling and practical creativity to every project. During the pandemic, he co-founded the Get Reelisms Podcast with Christine Chen to foster community within the film industry. Together, they’ve built a platform that blends education, candid conversations, and industry insights to help filmmakers connect, learn, and grow.   WEBISODE version of the Podcast 00:00 Burnout After Erzulie 00:55 Podcast Intro and Episode 196 02:50 Radiation and Egg Retrieval Update 04:58 Naps and Roxy Set Stories 07:46 Avoiding the News and Staying Grounded 08:33 Creativity Through Hard Times 10:49 Brain Surgery and Creative Side 12:14 Life Experiences Fuel Stories 14:18 Burning Man Reset and Podcast Time Capsule 15:06 Erzulie Stress and Peyton Parallels 16:23 Bringing Back Old Guests 17:04 Aging Reality Check 17:27 Midnight Pee Debate 18:13 Why ChatGPT Won’t Commit 18:55 Third Nipple and Trail Poop 21:04 Corporate ChatGPT Modes 24:44 WebMD Panic vs AI Caution 26:15 AI Psychosis Explained 28:10 Dating and Outsourcing Feelings 32:43 Using AI Without Losing Yourself 33:30 Wrap Up and Plug     WEBISODE version of the Podcast Official Get Reelisms Page Get Reelisms Amazon Store Instagram

  2. Sep 29

    From Auditions to Film Sets: Building a Sustainable Acting Career | Get Reelisms S4E196

    Get Reelisms Podcast Ep. 196: Zuzena Magsino on Breaking In, Community, AD Life, and AI in Film On episode 196 of the Get Reelisms podcast, hosts Adam Chase Rani and Christine Chen interview actor and assistant director Zuzena Magzino about her path into entertainment, from show choir and dance auditions to overcoming fear of being recorded and posting social content. After a five-year hiatus and serious health issues, she returned via a 2021 TikTok Dunkin’ casting call, booked the spot, and later moved to LA, emphasizing the importance of supportive circles, networking, persistence, and the reality that even “set” celebrities may struggle without financial literacy and protection from exploitation. The conversation covers filmmaking community, conflict resolution and chaos management on set, sexism and ego problems among crew, and concerns about AI replacing actors while acknowledging AI as a tool. They close with promotion for Getreelisms.com merchandise and an online film school.   About Christine W Chen: Christine W. Chen is a Taiwanese American filmmaker, Academy member (Short Films Branch), and versatile producer, director, and writer known for bold, character-driven storytelling. Through her production company, Moth to Flame, she has created award-winning short films, features, and branded content—including Erzulie, a feminist swamp thriller that had a limited theatrical run and now streams on major platforms. In addition to her directorial work, Christine is a seasoned DGA 1st Assistant Director and co-author of Get Reelisms and ABCs of Filmmaking, as well as the co-host of the Get Reelisms Podcast. For more information about Christine Chen: christinewchen.com About Adam Rani: Adam Chase Rani is a production designer and set dresser working in the Austin film market, bringing a sharp eye for visual storytelling and practical creativity to every project. During the pandemic, he co-founded the Get Reelisms Podcast with Christine Chen to foster community within the film industry. Together, they’ve built a platform that blends education, candid conversations, and industry insights to help filmmakers connect, learn, and grow.   About Guest Zucena Magsino: Zucena is a queer mixed Filipino-American actor from San Diego based in Los Angeles since 2024. They’ve recently studied at Bristol Old Vic Theatre School and can be seen in an array of music videos, short films, vertical series, and TV mini series. Their lead role in Charlene, a Kilam Production, written by Mai Briggs premiered at LA Shorts International Film Festival 2026. And their series-regular debut as Leah in Marriage Material is now streaming on Apple TV for the US & Canada and Amazon Prime worldwide. When they’re not acting they’re creating their own projects, helping their community, or on set as an AD!    WEBISODE version of the Podcast   00:00 Fame Money Myth 00:43 Podcast Intro 01:09 Meet Zuzena 02:49 From Dance to Camera Fear 04:25 Social Media and Corporate Detour 06:27 Health Crisis Reset 06:54 Dunkin TikTok Breakthrough 08:45 Supportive Sets and Circles 14:27 Networking and Hustle Mindset 15:50 Making It Takes Years 17:26 Actors Not Set for Life 19:36 Brand Ownership and IP 20:45 AI Actors and Ethics 22:00 AI as Tool Not Replacement 23:47 Conflict as Collaboration 24:23 Miscommunication on Set 25:21 Egos and Drama Queens 25:48 Veteran PA Meltdown 28:25 Second AD Maid Mode 29:33 Safety and Respect 31:08 Tranquility Through Chaos 33:55 Stern Voice and Strikes 35:12 Women Leading on Set 39:04 Collaboration and Continuity 41:17 Landing the Plane 41:30 Housekeeping and Film School Official Get Reelisms Page Get Reelisms Amazon Store Instagram

  3. Sep 15

    Feeling Stuck? How Filmmakers Can Overcome Creative Burnout & Find Inspiration | Get Reelisms S4E195

    Feeling Stagnant During Radiation: Filmmaking, Control, and Creative Renewal On episode 195 of the Get Reelisms podcast, filmmakers Adam Chase Rani and Christine Chen discuss Christine finishing week one of six weeks of radiation for an oligodendroglioma brain tumor, alongside fertility treatment, and how the invisible progress and grant rejections make her feel stagnant and ungrounded without being on set. A friend suggests shooting part of Christine’s proof-of-concept short in her temporary “radiation camp” apartment near the treatment center, so she plans to film soon before symptoms worsen, and may ask for food donations for cast and crew. They recommend actors seek script-reading opportunities like the LA group Safe House, and reflect on imposter syndrome, conflict-of-interest when working with friends, and balancing creative joy with the job aspect of filmmaking. They also discuss The Artist’s Way “morning pages,” creative routines, and mention seeing The Odyssey and Christopher Nolan’s leadership at a DGA town hall.      About Christine W Chen: Christine W. Chen is a Taiwanese American filmmaker, Academy member (Short Films Branch), and versatile producer, director, and writer known for bold, character-driven storytelling. Through her production company, Moth to Flame, she has created award-winning short films, features, and branded content—including Erzulie, a feminist swamp thriller that had a limited theatrical run and now streams on major platforms. In addition to her directorial work, Christine is a seasoned DGA 1st Assistant Director and co-author of Get Reelisms and ABCs of Filmmaking, as well as the co-host of the Get Reelisms Podcast. For more information about Christine Chen: christinewchen.com About Adam Rani: Adam Chase Rani is a production designer and set dresser working in the Austin film market, bringing a sharp eye for visual storytelling and practical creativity to every project. During the pandemic, he co-founded the Get Reelisms Podcast with Christine Chen to foster community within the film industry. Together, they’ve built a platform that blends education, candid conversations, and industry insights to help filmmakers connect, learn, and grow.   WEBISODE version of the Podcast 00:00 Feeling Stagnant 00:49 Podcast Intro 01:43 One Year In 02:44 Radiation Update 05:25 Radiation Camp Life 07:01 Fertility Treatment 08:58 Steroid Superpowers 09:28 Proof of Concept Plan 11:56 Actor Casting Tips 14:49 Safe House Breakdown 15:50 Imposter Syndrome Talk 18:07 Friends and Casting 22:17 When Work Feels Like Work 25:09 Rediscovering Writing 26:03 Morning Pages Method 27:59 Break Routine for Inspiration 31:01 Journaling as Therapy 31:32 Restarting the Practice 32:49 Naruto Weights Comeback 34:45 Industry Ebbs and Flows 35:51 Art from Hard Times 37:34 Films That Reignite Passion 38:25 Backrooms Innovation Talk 41:31 Odyssey Craft and Scale 43:29 Nolan DGA Town Hall 48:29 Housekeeping and Merch 49:09 Wrap and Return Soon     Official Get Reelisms Page Get Reelisms Amazon Store Instagram

  4. Sep 1

    Navigating a brain tumor - Facing your mortality | Get Reelisms S4E194

    n episode 194 of the Get Reelisms podcast, filmmakers Adam Chase Rani and Christine Chen discuss Christine’s recent health crisis: after an MRI on May 1, doctors found a brain tumor, and she is scheduled for surgery on May 19 to remove it. Christine describes sporadic focal seizures starting the previous summer, including brief left-side freezes while fully conscious, one occurring publicly at a Canon networking event and twice while driving, leading to her no longer being allowed to drive. They criticize the U.S. healthcare system, including receiving results via a CD and delayed medical follow-up, and note her surgery was expedited through her surgeon brother’s connections. They use dark humor about naming the tumor “Tumi,” potential sketches, filmmaking memories, and plan a podcast pause until June while promoting getrealisms.com during recovery.   Hosts: Adam Rani (@adamthechase)  & Christine Chen (@cchenmtf)  About Christine W Chen: Christine W. Chen is a Taiwanese American filmmaker, Academy member (Short Films Branch), and versatile producer, director, and writer known for bold, character-driven storytelling. Through her production company, Moth to Flame, she has created award-winning short films, features, and branded content—including Erzulie, a feminist swamp thriller that had a limited theatrical run and now streams on major platforms. In addition to her directorial work, Christine is a seasoned DGA 1st Assistant Director and co-author of Get Reelisms and ABCs of Filmmaking, as well as the co-host of the Get Reelisms Podcast. For more information about Christine Chen: christinewchen.com About Adam Rani: Adam Chase Rani is a production designer and set dresser working in the Austin film market, bringing a sharp eye for visual storytelling and practical creativity to every project. During the pandemic, he co-founded the Get Reelisms Podcast with Christine Chen to foster community within the film industry. Together, they’ve built a platform that blends education, candid conversations, and industry insights to help filmmakers connect, learn, and grow. WEBISODE version of the Podcast   00:00 Brain Tumor Reveal 00:22 Podcast Intro Setup 01:41 Mothers Day Message 02:06 Diagnosis And Surgery Date 03:58 Coping With Dark Humor 04:49 Seizure Symptoms Explained 10:06 Driving Scare And No Keys 11:58 Healthcare System Breakdown 13:03 The CD Player Sketch 16:34 Surgeon Mafia Fast Track 26:40 Friends Support System 27:58 Devil Wears Prada 2 Tangent 29:47 Bots And Bad Reviews 32:27 No Guest Just Us 33:25 Traveling Podcast Memories 34:07 Journaling Through Hard Times 36:04 Not Knowing and Learning 37:33 Cheap Gear Real Talk 38:28 Honest Film Podcast Philosophy 40:23 Fugitive Dreams War Stories 46:36 Family Pressure and Set Culture 51:45 Guest No Show Mothers Day 53:29 Gratitude and Friendship 57:06 Erzulie Set Highlights 01:00:09 Make A Wish Film Funding 01:03:25 Wrap Up and Merch Plug Official Get Reelisms Page Get Reelisms Amazon Store Instagram

  5. Aug 18

    Reel Connections - Building a Film Fam | Get Reelisms S4E193

    In episode 193 of the Get Reelisms podcast, hosts Adam Chase Rani and Christine Chen talk with Mylene “Mai” Briggs of Keelab Media, a producer, writer, director, marketer, and mom with production companies in Los Angeles and Ottawa. Mai and Christine share how they met through Film Girls Brunch and discuss navigating LA’s isolating, competitive film scene by intentionally building community, including the origins and growth of Film Girls Brunch (founded by Imani and Kaiulani, later expanded with Mai). Mai describes burnout, single parenting, and starting her company for survival after exhausting film-industry hours and childcare costs, then working extreme schedules for flexibility. They swap first-client stories, reflect on learning without film school by saying yes and figuring it out, and Mai recounts high-pressure live multi-cam festival livestream work for Pique in Ottawa.   About Christine W Chen: Christine W. Chen is a Taiwanese American filmmaker, Academy member (Short Films Branch), and versatile producer, director, and writer known for bold, character-driven storytelling. Through her production company, Moth to Flame, she has created award-winning short films, features, and branded content—including Erzulie, a feminist swamp thriller that had a limited theatrical run and now streams on major platforms. In addition to her directorial work, Christine is a seasoned DGA 1st Assistant Director and co-author of Get Reelisms and ABCs of Filmmaking, as well as the co-host of the Get Reelisms Podcast. For more information about Christine Chen: christinewchen.com About Adam Rani: Adam Chase Rani is a production designer and set dresser working in the Austin film market, bringing a sharp eye for visual storytelling and practical creativity to every project. During the pandemic, he co-founded the Get Reelisms Podcast with Christine Chen to foster community within the film industry. Together, they’ve built a platform that blends education, candid conversations, and industry insights to help filmmakers connect, learn, and grow. Guest:  Mailyne Briggs is a Filipino Canadian multi-hyphenate filmmaker, writer/director, and mother. As the founder of Kilam Media Inc., her media production company focuses on purpose-driven content and diverse stories with impact. With over a decade of production experience, including co-producer/DoP for I AM: Limitless (CBC Gem), Mailyne’s work centers on women and underrepresented communities with themes of identity, belonging, and joy. Her commitment to community advocacy is proven through her work as a volunteer Board member for multiple non-profits in Canada and as the co-founder of three non-profits, including Film Girlz Brunch Los Angeles. She continues to work on co-productions in Canada and the US while actively developing her debut feature film, Those Days of Summer. Above all, Mailyne prioritizes rest, mental health, and family.   WEBISODE version of the Podcast   00:00 Leaving Film for Family 00:39 Podcast Cold Open 00:42 Meet the Hosts 01:21 Introducing Mai Briggs 02:41 How Christine Met Mai 07:00 LA Industry Reality Check 10:45 Finding Your People 12:44 Why Film Girls Brunch Started 16:19 Brunch Community Grows 18:17 Founders and Origin Story 19:41 Creating Together for Fun 20:44 Work That Feels Like Play 21:29 Always Talking Shop 22:27 Artist Life Misunderstood 23:34 Parenthood And Priorities 24:51 Starting Killa Media 28:16 First Clients And Hustle 32:14 Learning On The Job 36:16 Figure It Out School 37:39 Live Stream Pressure Cooker 40:06 Power Pull Disaster 41:40 How Big Is The Crew Official Get Reelisms Page Get Reelisms Amazon Store Instagram

  6. Aug 4

    Vertical Film Frenzy - The New Wave of Vertical Cinema | Get Reelisms S4E192

    Fellowship App Hell, Strategic TV Directing Pitches, and Why Verticals Are the New Wild West On the Get Reelisms podcast, filmmakers Adam Chase Rani and Christine Chen catch up on recent festival news and Christine’s birthday, then dive into “fellowship app hell season,” comparing repeated lab applications and essay-writing to endlessly applying to colleges with no clear feedback. Christine shares she’s applying to programs including Film Independent, Sundance Producing Lab, and WriteBack Rise, and discusses the demoralizing competition, lack of guarantees, and the need to budget time by stepping back from AD work to focus on directing and stronger applications. Adam explains reframing a Disney directing program pitch from choosing a favorite show to choosing a show that logically matches evidence in his portfolio and experience. They also recap a Scene Lab focused on verticals and discuss vertical video’s growth, rising production value, democratized audience-driven discovery, and reduced gatekeeping compared to traditional Hollywood.    Hosts: Adam Rani (@adamthechase)  & Christine Chen (@cchenmtf)  About Christine W Chen: Christine W. Chen is a Taiwanese American filmmaker, Academy member (Short Films Branch), and versatile producer, director, and writer known for bold, character-driven storytelling. Through her production company, Moth to Flame, she has created award-winning short films, features, and branded content—including Erzulie, a feminist swamp thriller that had a limited theatrical run and now streams on major platforms. In addition to her directorial work, Christine is a seasoned DGA 1st Assistant Director and co-author of Get Reelisms and ABCs of Filmmaking, as well as the co-host of the Get Reelisms Podcast. For more information about Christine Chen: christinewchen.com About Adam Rani: Adam Chase Rani is a production designer and set dresser working in the Austin film market, bringing a sharp eye for visual storytelling and practical creativity to every project. During the pandemic, he co-founded the Get Reelisms Podcast with Christine Chen to foster community within the film industry. Together, they’ve built a platform that blends education, candid conversations, and industry insights to help filmmakers connect, learn, and grow.   WEBISODE version of the Podcast 00:00 Logic Over Emotion  00:41 Podcast Intro Chaos  02:20 Birthdays and Benjamin Button  02:59 Daisy the Warrior Terrier  05:10 Fellowship Application Hell  07:54 Which Labs to Apply For  10:50 Too Many Programs  12:00 Strategic Show Selection  17:15 Feeling Behind Outside LA  17:59 Application Grind Mindset  18:39 Scene Lab Workshop Recap  20:27 AD Work Versus Directing  21:52 Fellowship Focus Strategy  25:07 Friends in Film Reset  29:30 Verticals Future Trends  35:31 Why Vertical Storytelling Wins  38:02 Viral Post And Creator Rush  39:56 Guest Handoff And Merch Plug Official Get Reelisms Page Get Reelisms Amazon Store Instagram

  7. Jul 21

    The Evolving Role of AI in Filmmaking | Get Reelisms S4E191

    On Get Reelisms Podcast episode 191, hosts Adam Chase Rani and Christine Chen interview filmmaker/producer/AD and occasional actor Avid (“Avi”) from Puppy Love Productions about becoming a “multi-tool” on set, especially in vertical productions. Avi recounts starting as a high-school editor on Final Cut Pro 7, continuing filmmaking while majoring in chemistry/biochemistry due to family pressure, learning directing performances through an improv-actor collaborator, and falling into first AD work via a 48-hour challenge and a Sony-financed short where a seasoned producer taught him set lingo. They discuss on-set judgment and delegation, phone rules, interns learning walkie etiquette, and how vertical storytelling uses cliffhangers, paywalls, CPI/client-driven scenes, and evolving efficiency systems. Avi also explains creating 3Line Studio, notable clients, a stolen box truck recovery using AirTags, and plugs a vertical Scene Lab event at 3Line Studio on April 29 (7–10 PM). Hosts: Adam Rani (@adamthechase)  & Christine Chen (@cchenmtf)  About Christine W Chen: Christine W. Chen is a Taiwanese American filmmaker, Academy member (Short Films Branch), and versatile producer, director, and writer known for bold, character-driven storytelling. Through her production company, Moth to Flame, she has created award-winning short films, features, and branded content—including Erzulie, a feminist swamp thriller that had a limited theatrical run and now streams on major platforms. In addition to her directorial work, Christine is a seasoned DGA 1st Assistant Director and co-author of Get Reelisms and ABCs of Filmmaking, as well as the co-host of the Get Reelisms Podcast. For more information about Christine Chen: christinewchen.com About Adam Rani: Adam Chase Rani is a production designer and set dresser working in the Austin film market, bringing a sharp eye for visual storytelling and practical creativity to every project. During the pandemic, he co-founded the Get Reelisms Podcast with Christine Chen to foster community within the film industry. Together, they’ve built a platform that blends education, candid conversations, and industry insights to help filmmakers connect, learn, and grow. Guest: Avid Eghbali was born on August 20, 1996 in Iran. He is a director and producer, known for Bated Breath, Drift (2024) and Hell Hath No Fury (2026).   WEBISODE version of the Podcast   00:00 Chem Major Film Hustle 01:01 Podcast Intro And Guest 02:16 Meeting Avi On Verticals 02:51 Multi Tool Set Mindset 06:24 Avi Acting On Set 09:06 How Avi Got Started 12:30 Learning AD Lingo Fast 14:26 Family Pressure And Legacy 20:04 First Day Jitters To Growth 22:30 Delegation And Set Judgment 29:33 Phones On Set Debate 32:55 CPI Scenes And Vertical Demands 35:32 How Verticals Are Written 38:08 Vertical Video Debate 40:06 Innovation and Naysayers 41:39 Vine Lessons and Coexistence 42:49 AI Trailers and Backlash 44:00 AI as Previs Tool 47:37 Branded Vertical Series 51:36 Three Line Studio Origins 56:58 Celebrity Shoots and Clients 59:02 Stolen Box Truck Story 01:03:38 Trump Impressions and Set Antics 01:12:44 Event Plug and Housekeeping 01:14:28 Final Goodbye Official Get Reelisms Page Get Reelisms Amazon Store Instagram

  8. Jul 7

    Vertical Film Frenzy - Guerrilla Filmmaking on Crack | Get Reelisms S4E190

    Verticals, Unions, and AI: The Wild West of New Filmmaking | Get Reelisms Ep. 190 In episode 190 of the Get Reelisms podcast, filmmakers Adam Chase Rani and Christine Chen talk about Christine’s desert trip to see a meteor shower, her deliberate hiatus from AD work to regain creative peace, and her return to making fast, low-budget sketch comedy—especially vertical YouTube/Instagram sketches—through groups like Banana TV and a 10-episode series with her friend Myleene about friends whose hangouts always turn into film work. They discuss the rise of union and branded verticals, why creators are embracing the format as a new storytelling medium, and how to improve quality through writing and framing. The conversation covers intense vertical set workflows, block shooting and child actor restrictions, the push-pull between budgets and union standards, concerns about AI replacing art versus using AI as a logistics tool, and worries about declining literacy from students using ChatGPT. They close with GetReelisms.com plugs and tease the next guest from Puppy Love Productions.  Hosts: Adam Rani (@adamthechase)  & Christine Chen (@cchenmtf)  About Christine W Chen: Christine W. Chen is a Taiwanese American filmmaker, Academy member (Short Films Branch), and versatile producer, director, and writer known for bold, character-driven storytelling. Through her production company, Moth to Flame, she has created award-winning short films, features, and branded content—including Erzulie, a feminist swamp thriller that had a limited theatrical run and now streams on major platforms. In addition to her directorial work, Christine is a seasoned DGA 1st Assistant Director and co-author of Get Reelisms and ABCs of Filmmaking, as well as the co-host of the Get Reelisms Podcast. For more information about Christine Chen: christinewchen.com About Adam Rani: Adam Chase Rani is a production designer and set dresser working in the Austin film market, bringing a sharp eye for visual storytelling and practical creativity to every project. During the pandemic, he co-founded the Get Reelisms Podcast with Christine Chen to foster community within the film industry. Together, they’ve built a platform that blends education, candid conversations, and industry insights to help filmmakers connect, learn, and grow. WEBISODE version of the Podcast 00:00 Vertical Film FOMO  00:21 Podcast Intro Setup  01:15 Meteor Shower Birthday  02:49 AD Hiatus For Writing  05:07 Back To Sketch Roots  06:45 Friends In Film Series  09:46 Verticals Branded Wave  14:19 Cinematic Vertical Potential  15:40 Vertical Set War Stories  17:29 Block Shooting Explained  18:49 Working With Child Actors  20:19 Crew Set Stories  20:55 Child Actor Rules  21:56 Union Versus Verticals  24:42 Knowing Your Worth  27:16 AI In Filmmaking  31:33 Gen Z Literacy Drop  35:09 Read More Books  35:57 Wrap And Plug Official Get Reelisms Page Get Reelisms Amazon Store Instagram

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