One Step Better Podcast

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Tune in for insight to help small business owners and their teams get One Step Better every day. You'll gain practical tools to help you improve processes and empower your team.

  1. Jul 9

    If I Started My Firm From Scratch Today, I'd Build It Completely Different

    One Step Better now has its own YouTube channel! Subscribe here so you never miss an episode: ‪@OneStepBetterPod‬ Last episode Matt and Mike asked whether the entry-level staff accountant role still makes sense in a world of AI. This one zooms out: if the work is changing, what does the whole firm look like? Matt spent 45 minutes explaining how his team is built today. Pods, a director of accounting, team leads, managers, senior accountants, staff, interns, a production assistant, plus an offshore team for capacity. It works. It's grown the firm 20% a year for nearly a decade. And then Mike asked the question that's been rattling around both their heads: if you were starting from scratch today, would you build it this way? Matt's answer was no. Not even close. This is a real, unresolved conversation about the rub every firm owner is feeling right now. You can automate the back-of-house production layer more every month. But if you don't change what you're asking your team to do, all you've done is add technology cost on top of the same work. You're not more profitable. You're not serving more clients per person. You've just added a layer. The catch? Matt built a homegrown reporting tool that replaced $2,200 a month in software, and it was done the moment he connected it. No 30 hours of setup, no onboarding drag. That kind of custom build wasn't possible five years ago. Now it is. Which means the whole model, how you staff, how you structure teams, how you price, and how fast you deliver, is shifting under your feet while the work still has to get done at scale. In this episode: The full anatomy of a modern firm, and why Matt would build it completely differently from scratchWhy adding automation without changing the work just adds cost, not profitThe front-of-house, back-of-house restaurant model applied to accounting production"Can I service 1,000 clients with 30 people instead of 450 with 24?"The homegrown tool that replaced $2,200/month in software the day it was connectedThe fee pressure that's coming, and why "$250 down the street" changes your mathWhy your own best people could leave tomorrow and build the same thing you builtThe real engagement problem: 85% of clients just want the work done, and why that shouldn't stop you from serving the ones who want moreSpin off a separate AI-first brand, or pivot the firm you already have?The throughline: the fundamental business hasn't changed. Firms exist to simplify financial complexity so business owners can thrive. Real-time, accurate, on-time data is the mountaintop. Whether you get there human-first or AI-first is the layer in constant flux. Get the mission right, and the chaos underneath gets a lot easier to navigate. 💬 Wrestling with the same questions in your own firm? Drop a comment, send us a message, or share this with a firm owner who's trying to figure out what their team should look like next. 🎙 Want to be a guest? We're opening the show up to firm owners who want to talk shop. Reach out and let's talk. Connect with us:Matt Patrick on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdQ0Mike Shaeffer on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdX0patrickaccounting.com Tired of struggling to find qualified accountants for your firm? Check out Cloud Accountant Staffing's candidate portal. Full of pre-vetted offshore accounting candidates ready to interview as soon as tomorrow → https://portal.cloudaccountantstaffing.com/register?p=MatthewPatrick

  2. Jul 2

    Do You Even Need Entry-Level Accountants Anymore? (The AI Question Nobody Can Answer Yet)

    ➡️ One Step Better now has its own YouTube channel! Subscribe here so you never miss an episode: ‪@OneStepBetterPod‬ Every accounting firm is quietly asking the same question right now: if AI can categorize transactions, reconcile accounts, and tie down a balance sheet, do we still need to hire entry-level staff accountants? And if we do, what on earth are we training them to become?Mike and Matt don't pretend to have this one solved. This is a real, unresolved conversation about the rub every firm owner is feeling: you're building an assembly line that's more automated by the month, but you still need people who understand the fundamentals well enough to catch when the robots get it wrong. So you keep some work manual, not because it's efficient, but because it's how a junior accountant learns to see how money actually moves through a business.The catch? The client paying a thousand a month for that manually-done work isn't getting a better, faster experience out of your training program. Which means the whole model, who you hire, how you price, what you deliver, and when, is shifting under your feet while the work still has to get done at scale.In this episode:* Why the entry-level staff accountant role might be disappearing, and why that's a developmental problem, not just a hiring one* The "human in the loop" dilemma: can someone own a client relationship without understanding how the information got made?* Why schools still teach debit-credit fundamentals while the industry races to embed that knowledge into the tech* The real reason to keep some work manual (hint: it's about how people learn, not about getting the work done)* Whether an "AI-first" firm is a different business model entirely, or just the same mission delivered a new way* Why your mission can't be tied to how you do the work, and how that distinction keeps you sane when everything changes* What Matt would tell a college student majoring in accounting today (spoiler: don't just study accounting)The throughline: the fundamental business hasn't changed. Firms exist to simplify financial complexity so business owners can thrive. How that gets delivered, human-first or AI-first, is the layer that's in constant flux. Get the mission right, and the chaos underneath gets a lot easier to navigate.💬 Wrestling with the same questions in your own firm? Drop a comment, send us a message, or share this with someone who's trying to figure out what their next hire should even look like.🎙 Want to be a guest? We're opening the show up to firm owners who want to talk shop. Reach out and let's talk.Connect with us:Matt Patrick on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdQ0Mike Shaeffer on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdX0patrickaccounting.comTired of struggling to find qualified accountants for your firm? Check out Cloud Accountant Staffing's candidate portal. Full of pre-vetted offshore accounting candidates ready to interview as soon as tomorrow → https://portal.cloudaccountantstaffing.com/register?p=MatthewPatrick

  3. Jun 29

    Why a Great Culture Still Isn't Enough Without Leaders Who Hold People Accountable

    Patrick Accounting has a stack of "best place to work" accolades, yet Mike still rates themselves a C on the one thing that would change everything. Listen to Matt and Mike get honest about LMA (leadership, management, and accountability) and why holding people accountable is genuinely one of the hardest things about leading a firm. In this episode: The LMA framework and exactly where most accounting firms break down inside it Why the small things that go unchecked become the big problems you didn't see coming How to tell the difference between managing and micromanaging when your team can't Why it's harder to hold your friends accountable than anyone you've ever managed before The generational gap between leading by authority and leading by influence What it looks like when accountability stops cascading down through your leadership layers 💬 Got a topic you want us to tackle? Drop a comment, send us a message, or share this episode with a firm owner who needs to hear it. 🎙 Want to be a guest? We're opening the show up to firm owners who want to talk shop. Reach out and let's talk. Connect with us:  Matt Patrick on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdQ0 Mike Shaeffer on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdX0 patrickaccounting.com Tired of struggling to find qualified accountants for your firm? Check out Cloud Accountant Staffing's candidate portal. Full of pre-vetted offshore accounting candidates ready to interview as soon as tomorrow → https://portal.cloudaccountantstaffing.com/register?p=MatthewPatrick

  4. Jun 22

    ICP, Acceptable Clients, and the Gray Area Where Most Accounting Firms Get Burned

    Every accounting firm has a client they should have said no to. Most of them took it anyway because the money looked good, the sales conversation went well, or somebody convinced themselves they could make it work. Mike and Matt have been there. Listen to them get honest about what actually makes a good client, where the lines are, and why even the best criteria in the world doesn't stop you from talking yourself into the wrong ones. In this episode: ICP vs. acceptable client and why blurring that line when you're growing fast will cost you What "healthy fear of the IRS" actually looks like in a real prospect meeting The criteria that matters more than industry or revenue size The sales team loves them, the service team can't stand them problem Why saying yes to a startup client might be the worst thing you can do for them What it actually feels like when half your revenue disappears in 24 hours 💬 Got a topic you want us to tackle? Drop a comment, send us a message, or share this episode with a firm owner who needs to hear it. 🎙 Want to be a guest? We're opening the show up to firm owners who want to talk shop. Reach out and let's talk. Connect with us: Matt Patrick on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdQ0 Mike Shaeffer on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdX0 patrickaccounting.com Tired of struggling to find qualified accountants for your firm? Check out Cloud Accountant Staffing's candidate portal. Full of pre-vetted offshore accounting candidates ready to interview as soon as tomorrow → https://portal.cloudaccountantstaffing.com/register?p=MatthewPatrick

  5. Jun 11

    What It Looks Like to Roll Out AI Across Your Accounting Firm

    Matt connected AI to every major tool in the firm. Then things got interesting. What followed was a mix of things going sideways, things working better than expected, and one moment that made Matt realize he wasn't thinking nearly big enough. All of which sparked a real conversation about what AI can actually do inside an accounting firm today, where the guardrails need to be, and how far off the fully automated accounting process really is.  In this episode: How to think about AI as an efficiency tool today vs. an autonomous system tomorrow The HubSpot incident that became a lesson in AI permissions and guardrails The monthly accounting process use case that came back 100% accurate and changed how Matt thinks about what's possible What it would actually look like to automate bank statement pulls, transaction coding, and client outreach end to end How Patrick Accounting is running biweekly AI happy hours to get their whole team experimenting The three lanes every AI investment should fall into: more revenue, better margins, or better client experience Why Matt's headcount is going up (not down) and what kind of people he's going to need 💬 Got a topic you want us to tackle? Drop a comment, send us a message, or share this episode with a firm owner who needs to hear it. 🎙 Want to be a guest? We're opening the show up to firm owners who want to talk shop. Reach out and let's talk. Connect with us: Matt Patrick on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdQ0 Mike Shaeffer on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdX0 patrickaccounting.com Tired of struggling to find qualified accountants for your firm? Check out Cloud Accountant Staffing's candidate portal. Full of pre-vetted offshore accounting candidates ready to interview as soon as tomorrow → ⁠⁠⁠https://portal.cloudaccountantstaffing.com/register?p=MatthewPatrick⁠⁠

  6. Jun 4

    Is Your Accounting Firm Developing Leaders or Just Promoting Good Employees?

    At some point, every growing accounting firm takes their best person, puts them in a leadership role, and hopes for the best. And for a while it kind of works. Until it doesn't... Mike and Matt are in the middle of this right now. 60 people, multiple team leads, a director of accounting, and an honest conversation about the fact that being great at the work and being great at leading people are two completely different skill sets. And they haven't always treated them that way. In this episode: Why promoting your best accountant into a leadership role is the most common mistake growing firms makeWhat actually happens when you hand someone a team and say "figure it out"The accountability gap that shows up when leaders don't know what they're actually allowed to hold people toHow to think about training when you already can't fit everything into the calendar you haveWhy developing leaders inside your accounting firm is the highest ROI thing you're probably not doing intentionally 💬 Got a topic you want us to tackle? Drop a comment, send us a message, or share this episode with a firm owner who needs to hear it. 🎙 Want to be a guest? We're opening the show up to firm owners who want to talk shop. Reach out and let's talk. Connect with us: Matt Patrick on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdQ0 Mike Shaeffer on LinkedIn → https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdX0 patrickaccounting.com Tired of struggling to find qualified accountants for your firm? Check out Cloud Accountant Staffing's candidate portal. Full of pre-vetted offshore accounting candidates ready to interview as soon as tomorrow → ⁠⁠⁠https://portal.cloudaccountantstaffing.com/register?p=MatthewPatrick⁠⁠

  7. May 29

    What's Broken About Your Accounting Firm?

    The best firms don't wait for things to fall apart. They break them first.  Hiring, training, sales, team structure. If you're not proactively challenging what's working, growth will do it for you, and it won't be on your terms. In this episode, Mike and Matt get real about the specific things that broke (and keep breaking) as Patrick Accounting has grown over the past 23 years. The hiring mistake almost every growing firm makes (and keeps making) What it actually costs you to onboard someone without a real plan Why losing your best salesperson can expose a problem you didn't know you had The labor rate percentage that should be keeping you up at night How to manage quality and performance when you can't be in every conversation anymore The question Mike and Matt are asking right now that could change who they hire for the next decade: what happens to your team when AI eats the transactional work? "Right people with the right process are going to change the world. Right people with bad process will still figure something out. Wrong people with a great process? You're not going anywhere." 💬 Got a topic you want us to tackle? Drop a comment, send us a message, or share this episode with a firm owner who needs to hear it. 🎙 Want to be a guest? We're opening the show up to firm owners who want to talk shop. Reach out and let's talk. Connect with us: Matt Patrick on LinkedIn →⁠ https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdQ0⁠ Mike Shaeffer on LinkedIn →⁠ https://hubs.la/Q04fKVdX0⁠  Tired of struggling to find qualified accountants for your firm? Check out Cloud Accountant Staffing's candidate portal. Full of pre-vetted offshore accounting candidates ready to interview as soon as tomorrow → ⁠⁠⁠https://portal.cloudaccountantstaffing.com/register?p=MatthewPatrick⁠⁠

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