Warfare of Art & Law Podcast

Stephanie Drawdy
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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy. 

  1. Steven Gambardella on Stoicism: Its Benefits and Paradoxes

    5D AGO

    Steven Gambardella on Stoicism: Its Benefits and Paradoxes

    Send us a text Please visit Steven Gambardella's site here to learn more.  Show Notes: 1:15 background in the arts 4:00 Dutch philosopher Spinoza’s parallels with Hellenistic philosophies 5:20 Gambardella’s Become As You Are 7:30 “Stoic Kitsch” blog post  9:00 individual agency and collective action 11:00 crisis of agency 11:20 emergence of stoicism 14:00 four-fold root of virtue 20:10 four facets of autonomy, perspective, objectivity and control and their relation to the four virtues of wisdom, moderation, justice and courage/fearlessness 21:25 Steven's blog  21:45 Stoic view of justice relates to ignorance 26:00 moralism 27:00 Seneca, tutor and advisor to Roman emperor Nero 32:00 applying ancient Stoic ideas in current day 35:35 Stoicism and Philosophy Reading Group  38:30 summary of Stoicism: Virtue is the only good; and you have full control over the domain of your soul/your “inner citadel” 40:20 Stoicism at a crossroads  43:45 his hope to contribute to a revolution of the soul that encourages a view of the world that is more holistic and spiritual 45:40 Question from Susanne van der Meer about the paradox in Stoicism about the responsibility of agency versus a Stoic view of incarceration  55:00 Stoic view of fear and desire 1:00:00 Comments from Emily Gould Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

    1h 4m
  2. Italian IP, New Tech and Art Law Lawyer Massimo Sterpi on Issues Raised by Generative AI and the Future of Agentic AI

    JAN 4

    Italian IP, New Tech and Art Law Lawyer Massimo Sterpi on Issues Raised by Generative AI and the Future of Agentic AI

    Send us a text IP attorney Massimo Sterpi Massimo Sterpi photo by Eolo Perfido  Show Notes: 1:30 Sterpi’s work with emerging tech 2:30 shift in use of emerging tech/arts issues 3:55 Brazilian artist Eduardo Kac's transgenic work 4:30 blockchain / NFT as a testing area 5:10 generative AI and copyright 6:20 copyrighted works as training data  12:25 11 Nov 2025 judgment by Munich Regional Court in GEMA v. OpenAI (Case No. 42 O 14139/24) 14:20 fair use in the US 17:05 copyright of outputs 23:55 "A Single Piece of American Cheese" 26:00 Gema decision’s impact on OpenAI’s business model 29:00 UK decision in Getty v. Stability AI 32:30 harmonisation  34:20 collective licensing as a solution for AI training 36:20 view of justice/injustice with emerging tech in the arts 38:40 cultural impact of emerging tech 42:00 Christie’s auction of "Portrait of Edmond de Belamy" 43:40 2024 Venice Biennale - The Conference on Art and AI’s “The Neo-Synthetic: A Dialogue on Art, A.I., and Emergent Aesthetics” 44:30 expanding area regarding the roles involved in outputs 46:40 authenticity becoming enigmatic 47:00 attempts to create digital scarcity 47:55 different standards of creativity  48:30 neighboring rights for AI 50:00 Italy’s protection of “simple photographs” versus “photographic works” 50:40 UK’s Section 9(3) copyright of outputs fictionally attributed to human involved 52:40 Agentic AI   Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

    55 min
  3. Artist Marina Heintze on Art, Activism and the Holocaust

    12/21/2025

    Artist Marina Heintze on Art, Activism and the Holocaust

    Send us a text Link here to learn more about Marina Heintze. Show Notes: 1:00 Heintze’s background in the arts 2:30 sculptures of Heintze's father 3:30 Heintze’s use of materials 5:30 current events addressed in Heintze’s work 6:20 Politics series – gerrymandering 7:25 Bullet proof vests – assassinations and deviseness  7:45 Holocaust addressed in her work like “Gentian Violet Violence” 8:30 "Yitler” and “Dog Whistle” pieces 9:50 Heintze’s family research that led her to work with bone planters 11:20 archival research used in her work 13:35 "The eyes are the windows to the neshama/soul"   15:20 Lure series regarding nefarious organizations  19:50 how/whether her works address justice/injustice 21:50 work related to B2 bombers 22:50 Tunnel Talk / Vision series 27:25 feedback on Tunnel Talk / Vision series 31:40 Banksy image removed from Royal Courts of Justice  34:15 Holocaust denial and free speech 36:40 Alan Robertshaw – importance of work on the Holocaust 38:45 David Irving v Penguin Books and Deborah Lipstadt – 1996 UK Judgment  42:20 facts of genocide/terrorist acts  48:10 camouflage IP 50:30 design of Arab nation flags Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

    53 min
  4. AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part III

    12/07/2025

    AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part III

    Send us a text Photographer credit for Anja Neubauer: self-portrait created with an AI tool. Show Notes: 2:30 Prof. Tim McFarlin’s focus on copyright and authorship 3:30 Dr. Caterina Moruzzi’s philosophical/design perspective / focus on authenticity 5:00 Dr. Anja Neubauer's focus on global AI/copyright framework 5:50 Artist Lisa Lebofsky’s perspective on AI as a nomadic painter 8:45 “Authenticity Unmasked”–looking at the artistic process not the product 9:55 “Authenticity Unmasked” insight-centrality of human perspective 12:00 Neubauer–redefinition of terms like originality in light of emerging tech 13:30 Getty v. Stability finding  outputs are not copies so not infringements 14:55 McFarland–genAI’s scale and redefining understanding of terms 17:05 US state and federal laws  19:00 need for unified global protection 19:50 Alan Robershaw – UK Getty decision’s technical focus on the process  21:40 Defining originality  22:10 Getty opinion at 601 v. AI models are memorizing/making copies  24:00 Robertshaw - one step away from judicial definition of consciousness 24:40 McFarland – scale is the concern 25:35 Lebofsky – how prior claims of infringement fit into AI/appropriation of artists’ works 26:20 McFarland – ‘substantially similar’ takings are prima facie infringement subject to fair use defense 27:10 consideration of outputs flooding the market harm  29:25 Lebofsky – use of AI through tools like AI Charm Lab app  31:00 Lebofsky’s view of threats to her style and her language  32:45 human requirement for ‘authorship’ and consumer trends 35:55 Moruzzi – human effort to value the process 37:15 Process visible in generative AI circa 2015 v. current genAI’s less visibility and thus less authenticity 38:30 Anthroprocentric – human need for authorship 40:20 Robershaw - Monkey-selfie case; animal versus machine personhood  43:15 McFarland – Arkansas statute on AI 44:40 Gould – UK Section 9(3) - limited copyright for output in person who organized the output 45:00 Neubauer – issue of term “equipment” for tools  46:50 Gould – current copyright legislation is not fit for purpose 48:35 Distinction between camera use and AI model training 49:05 Copyright Criminals documentary regarding music sampling  50:00 Sampling case involving Kraftwerk  51:35 Moruzzi – response to consultations 53:00 McFarland – extent of law v. parallel tracks to copyright or other alternatives to preserve and protect human creativity 54:00 Stefania Salles Bruins–solutions outside the law 54:40 Copyright not fit for purpose  55:20 Neubauer - Shift in definition of artwork 55:45 Lebofsky – how to establish boundaries 57:25 Robertshaw re: Lebofsky’s paintings 58:00 Salles Bruins – Lebofsky’s coding that cannot be replicated Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

    1 hr
  5. "Through Their Eyes" Exhibition - The Story of Kfar Azza Before, During and After 7 October 2023

    11/23/2025

    "Through Their Eyes" Exhibition - The Story of Kfar Azza Before, During and After 7 October 2023

    Send us a text Show Notes: 1:45 introduction of The Surviving Project 5:45 three parts of Through Their Eyes Exhibition 7:00 Wings of Hope messages 9:00 stories from the delegation 10:15 exhibition mission 11:30 future cities for the exhibition: Chicago, Atlanta, LA, NYC, Toronto 12:40 how the exhibition addresses theme of drawing strength from what’s lost 15:00 defining justice – the way of getting back is continuing on 16:30 legacy of the exhibition  18:00 Through Their Eyes Exhibition Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

    20 min
  6. AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part II

    11/02/2025

    AI & IP Panel Discussion: A Global Perspective Part II

    Send us a text Oluwatobi Aluko photo by Praise Samuel Show Notes: 2:50 Tobi Aluko–Nigerian copyright  5:30 Nigeria’s national AI strategy and creative sector  7:25 Emily Gould – query on tech sector’s strength in Nigeria 9:40 debate over UK’s copyright provision for machine-generated work 11:40 Johan Brandstedt - Sweden’s approach to copyright  13:40 Czech Republic case on AI and copyrightability  16:40 Aluko – prompting versus creating art that involves effort/process 19:00 US copyright for A Single Piece of American Cheese  20:30 Prof. Ahmed Elgammal - background of AI use in the arts 23:45 19th C. French case on copyright of photographs that show originality  24:45 US refusal to copyright AI outputs  26:35 Bartz v. Anthropic and Kadrey v. Meta  30:45 AICAN project 32:55 GAN-based art movement celebrated prior to prompting 33:55 “Text-to-Image Generators Have Altered the Digital Art Landscape—But Killed Creativity. Here’s Why an Era of A.I. Art Is Over” 34:25 artists survey on value from AI 37:15 backlash of Christies’ auction of Generative AI works  41:50 Elgammal – effort versus intentionality e.g., DuChamp/ready-made art 42:30 intentionality and agency missing with prompting and random output  51:40 AI's cultural impact  1:04:30 Beethoven X project  Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

    1h 14m
  7. Israeli Artist Ronit Levin Delgado on Activist Art after 7 October and Art's Power to Heal & Bring Cultural Repair

    10/19/2025

    Israeli Artist Ronit Levin Delgado on Activist Art after 7 October and Art's Power to Heal & Bring Cultural Repair

    Send us a text Show Notes: 1:30 background 2:45 shift to add activist element to her art 4:00 response to 7 October 2023 during residency at LMCC 5:30 ‘artivism’ 5:45 workshop at Israeli American Council event 6:45 Rosh Hashanah gift for families of hostages 9:00 how her work facilitates justice 12:30 defining justice through recognition and healing 13:20 work as a curator to connect voices 13:50 “Artists on Antisemitism” exhibition 15:00 co-curated with director of Jewish Art Salon 15:40 LA-based artist Marina Heinze included in exhibition  15:45 Joan Roth 17:30 Ronit’s “David” kisses painting included in exhibition 19:40 Chai meaning alive 19:50 use of technology in her work as a bridge for global participation 21:40 heat-activated work that shows happiness levels like mood rings 23:25 Stefania Salles Bruins: connection between art and justice making whole 26:00 work by Marina Heinze in Artists on Antisemitism exhibition 27:10 other exhibitions she has curated 27:50 work in the antisemitism exhibition 28:40 fellowship in Germany in collaboration with German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) - art's importance in memory and justice 29:00 urgency of keeping the Holocaust alive in the conversation today 29:45 murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska 30:00 to hold and carry memory forward to inspire vigilance and resilence 30:40 artists as witnesses of our time and responsibility to be an activist 32:00 “Wandering Jew” project for 2026 Jerusalem Biennale 34:00 Drawdy’s definition of justice 34:50 Drawdy’s focus on stories to highlight 35:20 Alan Robertshaw’s comments 36:00 art speaking for itself 36:50 “Written in Water” and “Project Forgiveness” - 2018 NY Spring/Break Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

    41 min
  8. Artist & Attorney Stefania Salles Bruins on "How to Work Your Lawyer-Trained Brain to Strengthen Your Cranial Nerve 2" Part II - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    10/04/2025

    Artist & Attorney Stefania Salles Bruins on "How to Work Your Lawyer-Trained Brain to Strengthen Your Cranial Nerve 2" Part II - A 2ND Saturday Conversation

    Send us a text Cover photograph credit: Jessica Minor Link to PowerPoint presentation referenced in episode is available here. Show Notes: 1:20 intro and background 2:40 Slide 4 - Overview of Part I: 6 & ½ tips & tricks: 1 – perspective & point of view; 2 – Light; 2-1/2 – shadow; 3 – value / contrast; 4 – temperature; 5 – depth and illusion of 3-D; 6 – line 5:00 Slide 5: Point 7 - Brushstrokes 6:35 thickness of paint 7:00 blending with dry brush 8:00 Slide 6: Point 8 - Layering 9:40 ‘fat over lean’ rule 11:15 scumble – layer of opaque white  11:30 glaze – transparent layer over an underpainting 12:40 Slide 7: Point 9 - Paint as a Language 15:50 Slide 8: Point 10 - The Figure 19:45 Slide 9: Point 11 – The Palette 32:40 glazing  33:50 Slide 10: Point 12 – Studio Practice 42:50 figurative group show with artist from Hip Bone Art Studio 43:45 process of applying to shows 45:00 narrative/figurative and surrealist approach to still life work 46:05 artist statements 48:45 sharing WIP and final works 51:20 connection to the cranial optic nerve – thinking with our eyes when painting 1:00:00 painting from imagination with focus on ‘technique in service of art’ 1:02:10 how to deal with writers’ block and painters’ block Please share your comments and/or questions at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com Music by Toulme. To hear more episodes, please visit Warfare of Art and Law podcast's website. To leave questions or comments about this or other episodes of the podcast and/or for information about joining the 2ND Saturday discussion on art, culture and justice, please message me at stephanie@warfareofartandlaw.com. Thanks so much for listening! © Stephanie Drawdy [2025]

    1h 6m
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Warfare of Art and Law Podcast sparks conversation about the intriguing – and sometimes infuriating – stories that arise in the worlds of art and law with artist and attorney Stephanie Drawdy. 

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    Stephanie Drawdy
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    2020 - 2026
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