Send me a DM here (it doesn't let me respond), OR email me: imagineabetterworld2020@gmail.com Today I’m honored to introduce you all to: Ritual abuse, mind control and organized abuse survivor and overcomer, David Hamblin and LDS church abuse whistleblower, devoted and loving wife to her soulmate Troy, loving mother, nature, animal and natural world lover, fresh air breather, music and art consumer and creator, foodie, thoughtful conversation haver, and one of my personal heroes and inspirations: Kate Talley A little bit about Kate and what you can expect to hear about in today’s conversation: Kate did not ask to become a witness to the darkest corners of human cruelty. She was born into it. Raised in an active LDS family in Utah, she carried the kind of Mormon heritage that others would call royalty. On the surface she was the little girl doing everything a child in Utah County was supposed to do. Beneath that surface, beginning with her earliest memories, she was taken by her grandfather and his circle of respected men—pharmacists, business owners, doctors, dentists, civic leaders—into rituals that mocked the very church they publicly served. They inverted baptisms, blessings, sacrament, and sealings, calling on Lucifer instead of Christ. It happened in neighborhoods that looked like any other affluent Utah town, tt happened in LDS buildings after hours, and it happened around holidays and whenever her grandfather could isolate her. When she was eleven, after a particularly brutal assault on her birthday, she looked at the man - her grandfather - who had just violated her and said she hated him and hoped he would die. Two weeks later he dropped dead of a heart attack while changing a light bulb. Shortly afterward an aunt spoke out about incest. Kate spoke out too. Others in the family and neighborhood followed. What should have been the beginning of justice became the beginning of a different kind of wound: victim-shaming from a BYU-affiliated counselor, bishops, church leaders, and, later, a high-ranking official’s son who appeared at her door after she mentioned ritual abuse to a bishop - uninvited, persistent, walking into her home as if to deliver a message that they knew she was talking. In 2008 or 2009, desperate for anyone who would not flinch at ritual abuse, she and her then-husband were introduced to David Hamblin’s “healing circles.” Hamlin presented himself as a former psychologist who no longer needed a license or insurance because he was too spiritually advanced, too generous. At first the circles felt like relief: a place where the unspeakable could be spoken without immediate shock. Then the grooming began. He drove wedges between couples. He elevated Kate’s husband as spiritually superior and used that pedestal to pressure her into repeating her childhood traumas as “therapy.” After Hamlin’s 2012 arrest the circle fractured, but he doubled down on those whose names matched his own daughters’. Kate has spoken out not only for herself but for her cousin Sherry, who is no longer here, and for the many others in her old neighborhood lost to suicide, addiction, and early death. She has spoken because she watched Katie Hamblin stand alone in court for two years, tall and unflinching, when Kate herself could not yet stand. Now she stands so that others can. Kate is not merely a survivor. She is a whistleblower who has refused the lifelong command to be quiet. She has taken the very programming designed to fracture her and turned it into testimony. She has walked out of Plato’s cave, seen the ritualistic underbelly that so many in Utah still insist cannot exist, and come back to tell the people still chained to the wall what she saw. She does it knowing the cost: lawsuits, shadowbans, disbelief, and the raw emotional labor of repeating the worst days of her life so that families might finally learn to believe children, call the authorities, and stop handling these crimes in private. That is the measure of Kate: a woman who was taken into the dark as a child, who was failed by counselors, bishops, and a man who posed as a healer, and who nevertheless chose to become light. She speaks so the next little girl or boy in Utah, the LDS Church or anywhere else, might never have to carry the same silence. She speaks so the voiceless can still be heard, and she speaks so the living can finally be free. 🔗HAMBLIN WHISTLEBLOWER EMAIL: whistleblowyourabuser@proton.me 🔗CONNECT WITH KATE: IG: https://www.instagram.com/knitterkate?psln=YnB6anltZnd5bWI4 🔗CONNECT WITH EMMA: YOUTUBE: https://www.youtube.com/@imaginationpodcastofficial RUMBLE: https://rumble.com/c/TheImaginationPodcast EMAIL: imagineabetterworld2020@gmail.com OR standbysurvivors@protonmail.com SUBSTACK: https://emmakatherine.substack.com/ BUY ME A COFFEE: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/theimagination VENMO: @emmapreneur CASHAPP: $EmmaKatherine1204 ALL LINKS: https://direct.me/theimaginationpodcast Support the show