How Soccer Explains Leadership Podcast

Philip Darke & Paul Jobson
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Hosts Paul Jobson and Phil Darke have decades of experience as leaders, husbands, fathers, soccer coaches, players, and referees. In this podcast, Paul and Phil will have conversations with guests from the worlds of leadership and soccer about how we can flourish by examining life and leadership through the lens of the "beautiful game."

  1. Paul Caliguiri -- Faith, Perseverance, and National Team Glory (Re-cast)

    APR 16

    Paul Caliguiri -- Faith, Perseverance, and National Team Glory (Re-cast)

    In Episode 195, we are re-casting our episode with Paul Caligiuri, OCFC Manager, US Nat'l Soccer Hall of Famer, Former USMNT defender/midfielder and pro player in US and Germany, one of the first Americans to play professionally in Europe, and the unlikely scorer of the "shot heard 'round the world." In the episode, Paul talks with Phil and Paul about his remarkable journey from a passionate young soccer enthusiast to a defining figure in U.S. soccer history. He also recounts his serendipitous connection with Phil relating to a World War II era family relic, which you don't want to miss, and some moments from his impressive soccer career, highlighting his passion-filled early years in the game, pivotal moments like his unexpected selection for the Olympic Development Program, which led to his USMNT selection, and an intimate moment he shared with God after scoring the "Shot Heard 'Round the World," which secured the U.S.'s first World Cup qualification in 40 years in 1990. Caligiuri emphasizes the importance of passion, perseverance, and integrity, their influence on his career, and how these values translate into his everyday life and leadership. Paul also touches on key lessons from sports that can be applied in life, the current state of soccer, and the importance of faith in making a meaningful impact. Specifically, Paul C. discusses: ·      His providential connection with Phil relating to a WWII relic and including a lot of investigation and perseverance ·      How he developed his passion for soccer from humble beginnings and how he ultimately made the USMNT through a very unusual path filled with hard work, dedication, creativity, overcoming hurdles, "feeding his passion," and going above and beyond the "normal" (you don't want to miss this story) ·      His life purpose and "Why" and how he is living it out in his life (34:50) ·      An intimate defining moment after the "shot heard 'round the world" that might surprise you ·      A special call with his dad that shows how far the game has come in the US ·      Lessons that he has learned from soccer that he uses in his parenting and other important relationships in his life ·      His recommendations Resources and Links from this Episode ·                Paul Caliguiri's website ·                "The Billion Dollar Goal" (Paramount Plus) ·                "His goal changed soccer in the USA" (YouTube) ·                Uncut Video of the Episode ·                Warrior Way Soccer ·                Phil's email for DISC Training & Team Alignment ·                "Pulisic" (Paramount Plus) ·                "Vini Jr." (Netflix) ·                "Captains" (Netflix)

    53 min
  2. Phil Darke - How to Build Better Teams and Stronger Relationships

    APR 2

    Phil Darke - How to Build Better Teams and Stronger Relationships

    In Episode 194, we're recasting Offseason Talk, Volume 2, where host Phil Darke breaks down why understanding and implementing the DISC Model of Human Behavior can be one of the most practical and powerful steps you take toward building a healthier team and a healthier life. In this episode, you'll learn how DISC can help you: ·       understand yourself more clearly ·       connect better with team members, staff, volunteers, and family ·       communicate more effectively ·       navigate and resolve conflict ·       reduce tension and turnover ·       create stronger relationships ·       and improve results both personally and professionally Here's the challenge: on average, two people only have about a 40% chance of naturally communicating well and connecting with one another. In other words, most people are far more likely to experience miscommunication than meaningful connection. The good news? It doesn't have to stay that way. Listen to hear how DISC can help you better understand people, lead more effectively, and create healthier, more productive relationships in every area of your life. Resources and Links from this Episode ·      Uncut Video of the Episode ·      Phil's Calendly Link (to set up a call to discuss how DISC can help you in your leadership and other areas of your life) ·      Discover your DISC personality style - https://www.personalityservice.com/portal/ZERB/store

    17 min
  3. Cori Close, UCLA Women's BB Head Coach—Leading with a Broom and a Shovel (RECAST)

    MAR 19

    Cori Close, UCLA Women's BB Head Coach—Leading with a Broom and a Shovel (RECAST)

    In Episode 193, we are recasting our incredible interview with Cori Close, Head Coach of UCLA Women's Basketball, who talked with Phil about lessons she learned from her mentor, John Wooden, her personal "Why," what a broom and a shovel have to do with leadership, her Close Conversations, healthy conflict, gratitude, Championship Level Habits, doing the next right thing, and how work done in the dark gets revealed in the light. Specifically, Coach Close discusses: ·      Issues with specialization in one sport too early ·      How she developed her passion for soccer, basketball, and leadership, and how she got to be where she is today ·      Some lessons she learned while being mentored by the incomparable, John Wooden ·      Her personal "Why" and life mission, and how it informs her leadership ·      What are the things from sports that will stay with us for our whole life ·      Why she has a broom and a shovel in her office ·      How we can find and what we can learn from her Close Conversations on social media ·      Why healthy conflict and tension is necessary for any healthy team ·      A "have-to" vs. "get-to" mentality and why it matters ·      Creating and reaching Championship Level Habits ·      Doing the next right thing in the midst of the wrestle and getting back to neutral ·      What she wants her players to know when they leave her program ·      What she has learned directly from basketball (and soccer) that she has used in her life and leadership outside the game(s) ·      How the work done in the dark gets revealed in the light ·      Her book and podcast recommendations Resources and Links from this Episode ·      Coach Close on IG & Twitter (@coachcoriclose), and FB (Cori Close) ·      Uncut Video of the Episode ·      Warrior Way Soccer ·      Paul's email address ·      Nations United Website (World Cup Resources) ·      Phil's email for DISC Training ·      Ted Lasso (Apple TV) ·      Legacy: What the All Blacks Can Teach Us About the Business of Life, by James Kerr ·      The 7 Habits of Highly Successful People, by Stephen R. Covey ·      Chop Wood, Carry Water: How to Fall in Love with the Process of Becoming Great, by Joshua Medcalf ·      Burn Your Goals: The Counter Cultural Approach to Achieving Your Greatest Potential, by Joshua Medcalf ·      The Advantage: Why Organizational Health Trumps Everything Else, by Patrick Lencioni ·      Five Dysfunctions of a Team: A Leadership Fable, by Patrick Lencioni ·      The Third Option: Hope for a Racially Divided Nation, by Miles McPherson ·      "Two Perspectives on Abortion," Think Orphan Podcast, Episode 110 ·      In Pursuit of Orphan Excellence: My Kids, Your Kids, Our Kids, by Philip Darke and Keith McFarland, et. al ·      Atomic Habits: An Easy & Proven Way to Build Good Habits & Break Bad Ones, by James Clear ·      It's Not Supposed to Be This Way: Finding Unexpected Strength When Disappointments Leave You Shattered, by Lisa Terkeurst ·      It Takes What It Takes: How to Think Neutrally and Gain Control of Your Life, by Trever Moawad ·      Win in the Dark, by Joshua Medcalf and Lucas Jadin ·      The Focus 3 Podcast ·      The Relentless Elimination of Hurry: How to Stay Emotionally Healthy and Spiritually Alive in the Chaos of the Modern World, by John Mark Comer ·      Fight Hustle, End Hurry Podcast with John Mark Comer and Jefferson Bethke

    1h 4m
  4. Phil and Paul – The "Nor-Way" - Season 13 Post-Match Show

    MAR 5

    Phil and Paul – The "Nor-Way" - Season 13 Post-Match Show

    In Episode 192, Phil and Paul recap their highlights from the great interviews we've had in Season 13 and discuss the "Nor-Way. We discuss what it is, why it is relevant to this podcast, and whether we should implement a similar philosophy into youth sports around the world. Some of the topics covered are free play, reduced early specialization, lifelong health, and how we can reduce the dropout rate in youth sports, urging parents and coaches to keep sport player-driven and enjoyable. It's a fun and informative conversation that you don't want to miss. Resources and Links from this Episode ·                 Uncut Video of the Episode ·                 HSEL Facebook Group ·                 Warrior Way Soccer ·                 Paul's email address ·                 Nations United Website (World Cup Resources) ·                 Information about DISC Behavioral Training for your Team (with Phil)

    47 min
  5. Jim Spence – Faithfulness and Leading with Compassion

    FEB 19

    Jim Spence – Faithfulness and Leading with Compassion

    In Episode 191, Phil and Paul sat down with Jim Spence, founder of Sports Quest, to explore a 30-year journey of soccer ministry, leadership development, and faithful obedience. Jim shares how a young Englishman with dreams of professional cricket became a lifelong soccer missionary in Houston, Texas. Through stories of shattered athletic dreams, ministry pivots, and hard-earned leadership wisdom, Jim reveals how sport can be a powerful platform for sharing Christ and shaping lives. From apologizing to players to navigating burnout, this conversation is packed with practical leadership insights for coaches, parents, and ministry leaders alike. Resources and Links from this Episode ·                 Sports Quest Website ·                 Uncut Video of the Episode ·                 HSEL Facebook Group ·                 Warrior Way Soccer ·                 Paul's email address ·                 Nations United Website (World Cup Resources) ·                 Phil's email for DISC Training

    1h 12m
  6. Developing Players for Life - Season 13 Water Break with Paul and Phil

    FEB 5

    Developing Players for Life - Season 13 Water Break with Paul and Phil

    In Episode 190, Phil and Paul dive into the importance of individual and team development in every level of soccer. They discuss the role of effective communication between coaches and players, emphasizing the significance of understanding each player's personality and motivational needs. Paul brings his recent experiences from his new role as a club director to the table, particularly surrounding the recurring theme of balancing tactical instructions with personal development. We also discuss the critical influence parents have on their children's athletic experience and offers advice on how parents and coaches can foster a positive, growth-oriented environment. Listeners will come away with actionable insights on improving team dynamics, supporting individual players' growth, and fostering a healthy sports culture both on and off the field. Resources and Links from this Episode ·                 Uncut Video of the Episode ·                 HSEL Facebook Group ·                 Warrior Way Soccer ·                 Paul's email address ·                 Nations United Website (World Cup Resources) ·                 Phil's email for DISC Training

    51 min
  7. Thuy Williams – Saving Lives and Overcoming Adversity with All Abilities

    JAN 22

    Thuy Williams – Saving Lives and Overcoming Adversity with All Abilities

    In Episode 189, Phil and Paul had a great conversation with Thuy Williams, an incredible athlete and coach of the US Amputee Soccer National Team using her skills and talents in the world of all-abilities and sports ministry. During the interview, she shares her incredible journey from being rescued out of Vietnam during Operation Babylift, to her childhood as an adoptee in the US, to becoming a coach and mentor in various sports, including soccer and lacrosse, around the world. Despite battling a degenerative muscle bone disease, debilitating pain, and PTSD, Thuy has remained resilient and dedicated to impacting lives through sports. She discusses the role of sports in her healing from childhood trauma and PTSD, her work with amputee and blind soccer, and the profound influence of everyday heroes in her life. Thuy also provides some practical advice for getting involved in all-abilities sports and her perspective on leadership that stems from genuine care and encouragement. She even talks about how coaches can save lives.  Resources and Links from this Episode        ·                 Uncut Video of the Episode ·                 US Amputee Soccer Website ·                 Nations United (World Cup Disciple Making Resources) Website ·                 HSEL Facebook Group ·                 Warrior Way Soccer ·                 Providence World Website ·                 Phil's email for DISC Training ·                 Remember the Titans ·                 Glory Road ·                 McFarland ·                 Spare Parts (Yes, that's the Robotics one) ·                 Hoosiers

    58 min
  8. What Makes a Leader? with Wells Thompson, Co-Founder of Soccer Resilience and Former MLS Midfielder - RECAST

    JAN 8

    What Makes a Leader? with Wells Thompson, Co-Founder of Soccer Resilience and Former MLS Midfielder - RECAST

    In Episode 188, we are re-casting our conversation with Wells Thompson, Former MLS midfielder and 1st Round Draft Pick, Co-Founder of Soccer Resilience, husband, and father. This was our most downloaded episode of 2025 and Top 2 for both Paul and me. In this episode, he talked with Paul and Phil about his journey from childhood adversity to the MLS, his struggles with identity and mental health, his faith journey and his personal why relating to that journey, his difficulties transitioning to life after soccer, why left Soccer Resilience after founding and leading it for a few years, and a lot of wisdom regarding true leadership. They also discuss how soccer and other sports are incredible classrooms, and how he is learning deep life lessons every single day as a stay-at-home dad, husband, and father of athletes. The interview is full of vulnerable moments, personal stories, and practical advice. Specifically, they discuss: ·      How Wells developed his passion for soccer, leadership, faith in God, and how he went from rolling with the wrong crowd, getting into drugs, and not being recruited to college to playing for Wake Forest and getting drafted 5th in the MLS Draft (7:30) ·      Lessons he learned in his pro career (17:10) ·      His transition to life after soccer (20:51) ·      His personal why, vulnerability as a superpower, and how he is living out his life purpose (27:58) ·      The revelation that caused him to leave Soccer Resilience (32:44) ·      How Soccer Resilience got started, some of the great things coming out of it, and how starting/running a business is like working to be a pro soccer player (and a couple great quotes from Nelson Mandela and Billy Graham) (36:39) ·      How he went from not making ODP to playing professional soccer, how that is relevant to the parenting of his kids while they are playing sports, and what we can learn from his journey (43:39) ·      Balancing pushing our kids to be the best they can be and learning life lessons from sports without getting too involved (especially at the wrong time or place) and/or forcing them to play sports they don't want to play (52:11) ·      What actually goes into being a pro athlete (55:30) ·      What he didn't learn as a pro athlete (hint: it is very relevant to this podcast) (57:25) ·      Leadership from the bench (1:02:26) ·      Lessons that he has learned from the game that he uses in his marriage and parenting (1:04:31) ·      What he has watched, read, or listened to that has impacted his thinking on how soccer explains life and leadership (1:07:58) Resources and Links from this Episode ·                 Uncut Video of the Episode ·                 HSEL Facebook Group ·                 Warrior Way Soccer ·                 Coaching the Bigger Game Program ·                 Phil's email for DISC Training ·                 Wrestling with Angels: A True Story of Addiction, Resurrection, Hope, Fashion, Training Celebrities, and Man's Oldest Sport, John Hanrahan ·                 Main Street Millionaire: How to Make Extraordinary Wealth Buying Ordinary Businesses, Codie Sanchez

    1h 8m
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Hosts Paul Jobson and Phil Darke have decades of experience as leaders, husbands, fathers, soccer coaches, players, and referees. In this podcast, Paul and Phil will have conversations with guests from the worlds of leadership and soccer about how we can flourish by examining life and leadership through the lens of the "beautiful game."

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