Jiggle It A Little It'll Open

Aaron Kahn and Ira S. Murfin

Listen as two old friends and collaborators gradually fashion a podcast from nothing but their shared history by gently agitating whatever enters their field of perception, watching for some meaning or significance to eventually come tumbling out. Avenues of inquiry include, but are not limited to, their mutual hometown of Chicago, experimental theatre, the current cultural and political climate in the U.S. and Europe, and just what this podcast is all about, anyway. Occasionally some humor also arises. Aaron Kahn co-hosts (and produces) from his home in Paris, Ira S. Murfin co-hosts from Chicago.

  1. 05/09/2025

    21. Keep Your Spaceship Running While You Build More Spaceship

    For JIALIO’s first tri-national episode and first episode with more than one guest, Aaron and Ira are joined by former Chicagoans Tony Macaluso and his son Giulio from Chapel FM, the community radio station Tony runs in Leeds, UK. They discuss a road trip they took the previous summer exploring  places meant to offer alternatives to mainstream society in the American West, including the urban design project Arcosanti in Arizona, where Ira and Aaron have both lived. What unfolds is a quite nuanced, yet accessible, overview of Arcosanti, including some of the tensions and contradictions that have shaped and defined the project. These include the slowness of construction and what that has made possible, and the tension between the design of the project and the life lived inside of it. Ultimately, Tony, who has long worked with archives (including the archive of Studs Terkel’s radio show) remarks on the coexistence of Arcosanti with its own archive, which is housed onsite. Arcosanti is itself a document of its own making, and it contains all of the documentation of its design and construction, and still more designs for projects envisioned and unrealized. Documents within documents within a document, like Russian nesting dolls - archives all the way down. Arcosanti  Original Arcosanti design from Arcology: City in the Image of Man (1969) Chapel FM (Leeds, UK) Music: “Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio. “Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger Miller Arranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

    1h 41m

  2. 05/09/2025

    20. Apikorsim

    Ira and Aaron welcome Ira’s friend and collaborator Seth Zurer, longtime Chicagoan recently transplanted to Southern California. The starting point is a piece of family history that Seth recounted in the 2007 performance about utopias through which he and Ira first met. It is the little-known story of Clarion, a short-lived early-20th century Jewish agrarian settlement in Utah where his grandmother was born. From there, the conversation drifts to Seth’s own westward move to Riverside, CA, where he has discovered The Cheech, Cheech Marin’s museum of Chicano art, and started navigating California’s cottage industry laws to sell his home-baked bread and fruit preserves. An oral history that Seth shared, which his mother, Diana, gave to the Yiddish Book Center about her lifelong relationship to Yiddish culture, provides a point of reference throughout. Underlying the conversation is the ever-charged topic of when, how, and where Jews gather together identifiably as Jews, particularly in the American context where doing so has largely become a choice. Examples range as widely as the Catskills vacation colony founded by descendents of residents of Clarion to ecstatic dancing and singing with Israeli Hasids at a Rainbow Gathering in the Wyoming wilderness. In the end, Aaron just wants to know how a nice Jewish boy ends up starting Chicago’s largest festival celebrating cured pork? NOTE: This episode has been in the hopper a long time before being released. It was recorded in August 2023, two months before the October 7th 2023 Hamas attack in Israel and the subsequent and ongoing Israeli war in Gaza. There is some discussion of American Labor Zionism in the mid-20th Century in the episode, but not much reference to present-day Israel-Palestine. However, if it seems strange that the post-Oct. 7th world is not acknowledged, that is why. Diana Woll Zurer's Oral History @ Yiddish Book Center Zurer Bread in Riverside, CA Music: “Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio. “Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger Miller Arranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

    1h 28m

  3. 05/19/2023

    19. Once Removed

    Following a thread about falling into things, Jiggle It a Little It’ll Open welcomes a surprise third guest, who also happens to be the grandson of the podcast’s first guest, and Aaron's first cousin once removed. Jesse Schumann  stops by the virtual podcast studio with a tale to tell about the last six weeks. Since taking a temporary break from college for some self-discovery and recalibration, Jesse has practiced mindful self-compassion on a Canadian meditation retreat, launched a rap career in collaboration with his Venezualen barber in Argentina, and started gathering material for a novel about his grandfather and himself covering, in part, these last six weeks. Additional topics along the “corridors of self-revelation” include the role of mushrooms in the development of human consciousness, pop songs named after famous people, the family trees of Jewish Mormons, and perceptions of the most intimate of human interactions in popular culture. Find Jesse and his music on the internet: Spotify Apple Music YouTube (music video) Jesse's Instagram @jeschum Music: “Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio. “Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger Miller Arranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

    1h 25m

  4. 05/10/2023

    18. Theatre Why?

    For only the second time in its short history, Jiggle It A Little It’ll Open welcomes a guest. Melissa Lorraine, Artistic Director of Chicago’s Theatre Y, discusses her company’s journey from its founding as a venue for the work of Romanian playwright András Visky to its recent move from the neighborhood of Lincoln Square, where it was one of over 250 theatre companies dotting Chicago’s North Side, to North Lawndale on the city’s West Side. Melissa talks about what it means for a historically white arts organization to move to a predominantly black, under-resourced neighborhood with the aim of driving revitalization without triggering gentrification, and the inevitable mistakes they are making along the way. She shares their experiences creating youth programming for the first time, learning to listen to her critics in new ways, and addressing needs beyond a theatre company’s usual purview, such as providing much-needed public space during the day and piloting a geothermal home heating project to reduce utility costs and help keep their neighbors in their homes. Plus, as befits a tale with this many twists and turns, there will also be a labyrinth. Music: “Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio. “Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger Miller Arranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

    1h 15m

  5. 04/27/2023

    17. Unmarked Doors

    The world is full of unmarked doors that some people know how to find and how to get through, and some people - by design or otherwise - do not. Aaron and Ira are thinking about ways that controlled access can both exclude and protect. When we offer each other access, what are we offering? And what are we giving up? Nascent online communities, clandestine cocktail bars, and city neighborhoods all maintain barriers to entry of one sort or another, until they don’t. And we can rarely control what happens then. But, as always, it seems to matter who gets and grants access, and who benefits from denying or providing it. Just remember, if you miss the Mega Mall, you can always hit the small Target. Music: “Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio. “Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger Miller Arranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

    1h 22m

  6. 04/13/2023

    16. Immersion Blender

    Immersion is all around us, and perhaps it always has been. But we keep discovering it anew every time an experience is unique enough that we notice we are having it. From Greek tragedies and Medieval passion plays to 1960s happenings and environmental theatre to installation art, live action game play, and pricey Instagram-ready themed “experiences,” immersion as aesthetic approach and marketing ploy always offers irresistible novelty amidst the ordinary. Immersive theatre and art over the last few decades in particular has walked a line between deliberate obscurity and globally marketed phenomenon, sometimes, as in the cases of companies like Punchdrunk and Meow Wolf, with little space between. Aaron and Ira discuss the relative value of the hard-to-find experience that rewards pursuit, but of necessity must exclude, and discuss the need for some critical distance, and the impossibility of maintaining that distance while on mushrooms. But is putting it all on Gossip Girl the only democratizing alternative? Some things to consider over a few bites of the World’s Largest Sandwich. ¿Conoces la mayonesa? Music: “Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio. “Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger Miller Arranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

    1h 41m

  7. 03/29/2023

    15. Better Than Real Theatre

    The hour or so spent in this episode on the concept of process orientation both illustrates something about the topic, and demonstrates how slippery it can be. Ever gravitating to theatre no matter what the topic, Aaron and Ira weave a network of connections between resisting perfection, eschewing deliberate meaning, and valuing participation, hoping to find process orientation cocooned someplace within. The clouds start to part a bit around the parallels that become evident between holistic models of verisimilitude and the rejection of authorial intention in favor of pure chance, when viewed through a process lens. Robert DeNiro, psychotherapy, Oklahoma!, Jerzy Grotowski, improv, the Wooster Group, and Sacred Harp singing all put in appearances as your hosts consider what theatre might be good for if not primarily for putting on a show. This is perhaps particularly relevant in light of an insight offered to Aaron by one of his most objectively successful friends just before heading onstage to meet a roomful of screaming fans, that in the third decade of the 21st century “only theatre people like theatre.” Music: “Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio. “Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger Miller Arranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

    1h 24m

  8. 03/09/2023

    14. Beautiful Cacophony

    The idea of the collective suggests a set of possibilities that do not rely upon personal vision or independent will. It can expand upon, enable, and obscure individual contribution – sometimes all at once – and, at its best, it surprises everyone. But the collective also requires a certain level of individual sacrifice to larger organizing principles – be they theatre, yoga, or architecture. It can be easy to confuse the collective impulse with a desire for what may actually be its opposite: absolute individual autonomy. All too often that becomes the only opening that those who value neither need in order to exploit others and do harm. Aaron and Ira begin by thinking about the ephemeral processes of collective theatre-making. They end up discussing two very concrete prototype habitats, each built by an unusually collected group of people in the Arizona desert. One of these projects counterintuitively turns out to also have its roots in collective theatre-making, though it is remembered and evaluated as a scientific laboratory. The other is intentionally and explicitly a laboratory, a specifically urban one, in the form of an incipient model city that may or may not still be in progress. Music: “Open Up Your Heart” by Roger Miller (a song which features the show’s namesake lyric). arranged and recorded especially for JIALIO by 80 Foots, Chicago’s only End Times Vocal Trio. “Open Up Your Heart” by Buddy Killen + Roger Miller Arranged and recorded by: 80 Foots (https://www.facebook.com/80FPM)

    1h 24m
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Ratings & Reviews

4.9
out of 5
15 Ratings

About

Listen as two old friends and collaborators gradually fashion a podcast from nothing but their shared history by gently agitating whatever enters their field of perception, watching for some meaning or significance to eventually come tumbling out. Avenues of inquiry include, but are not limited to, their mutual hometown of Chicago, experimental theatre, the current cultural and political climate in the U.S. and Europe, and just what this podcast is all about, anyway. Occasionally some humor also arises. Aaron Kahn co-hosts (and produces) from his home in Paris, Ira S. Murfin co-hosts from Chicago.

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  • Creator
    Aaron Kahn and Ira S. Murfin
  • Years Active
    2020 - 2025
  • Episodes
    21
  • Rating
    Clean
  • Copyright
    © 2026 Jiggle It A Little It'll Open
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