The Ordinary, Extraordinary Cemetery

Jennie Johnson & Dianne Hartshorn

The Ordinary, Extraordinary Cemetery is a podcast for cemetery lovers, preservationists, and even those who've never walked among the graves. Join hosts Jennie and Dianne as they explore old cemeteries and learn the stories of those buried within their walls. After all, every death had a life, and every life had a story.

  1. 1d ago

    Episode 290 - Women's Professional Baseball: Celebrating the Future While Honoring the Past

    Send us a text! We love hearing from listeners. If you'd like a response, please include your email. 72 years ago, the All-American Girls Professional Baseball League played its final game. Yesterday, women's professional baseball returned with the inaugural game of the Women's Pro Baseball League. On this episode of the Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery, you'll meet Margaret "Marge" and Helen Callaghan: Vancouver sisters, Boeing war workers, and the first sisters to play in the AAGPBL. Their story inspired the 1987 documentary that inspired Penny Marshall's 1992 epic film A League of Their Own. Jennie and Dianne trace their Ordinary Extraordinary lives from the diamond to charm school to Lompoc Evergreen Cemetery in California. These women and the nearly 600 others who played in AAGPBL between 1943 and 1954 not only made history, but have inspired generations of girls to follow their dreams! Purchase your tickets for the 37th annual Central City Cemetery Crawl on August 22, 2026, here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/gilpin-historical-society-37th-annual-cemetery-crawl-tickets-1992231897234?aff=oddtdtcreator Need an Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery Podcast tee, hoodie or mug? Find all our taphophile-fun much here: https://oecemetery.etsy.com Family Tales: A free printable is now available! Gather 'round the table and dig into your roots! This interactive family history game is perfect for holidays, reunions, or just because. Ask, listen, and laugh your way through generations of stories and secrets. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UT_R56qEwNTIxIBrTy8KFyVmGnFOe7g8/view?usp=sharing Resources used to research this episode include:  De Nicola, Christina . "The real women who inspired ‘A League of Their Own’ ." https://www.mlb.com/. 1 July 2022. www.mlb.com/news/featured/a-league-of-their-own-based-on-true-story. Accessed 2 Aug. 2026. Somers, Jeff. "The Real Women Who Inspired A League Of Their Own." https://www.grunge.com/. 23 Aug. 2022. www.grunge.com/976674/the-real-women-who-inspired-a-league-of-their-own/. Accessed 2 Aug. 2026. , Associated Press. "Lavonne 'Pepper' Paire-Davis dies ." https://www.espn.com/. 3 Feb. 2013. www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/8911670/former-women-baseball-star-lavonne-pepper-paire-davis-dies. Accessed 2 Aug. 2026. Hawthorn , Tom. "Diamond days gone, she's still in a league of her own ." https://tomhawthorn.blogspot.com/. 7 Nov. 2007. tomhawthorn.blogspot.com/2007/11/diamond-days-gone-shes-still-in-league.html?m=1. Accessed 2 Aug. 2026. , Multiple Contributions . "All-American Girls Professional Baseball League ." https://en.wikipedia.org/. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-American_Girls_Professional_Baseball_League. Accessed 2 Aug. 2026. Sargent , Jim. "Marge and Helen Callaghan ." https://sabr.org/. sabr.org/bioproj/person/marge-and-helen-callaghan/. Accessed 2 Aug. 2026. , Multiple Contributors. "Marge Callaghan ." https://en.wikipedia.org/. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marge_Callaghan. Accessed 2 Aug. 2026. , Multiple Contributors. "Helen Callaghan ." https://en.wikipedia.org/. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Callaghan. Accessed 2 Aug. 2026. Support the show

  2. Jul 30

    Episode 289 - Where The Columbines Grow: A Colorado Day Special

    Send us a text! We love hearing from listeners. If you'd like a response, please include your email. Happy Colorado Day! On August 1, 1876, Colorado became the 38th state admitted to the Union, thereby becoming the Centennial State. On this episode of the Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery, Dianne and Jennie celebrate Colorado's 150th birthday with some state trivia, chat about the upcoming annual Central City Cemetery Crawl, explore the story of a pioneer woman who made Colorado her home, and Dianne shares an exciting Ordinary Extraordinary historical discovery she recently unearthed while going through her own family's documents and photographs. As one of our state songs says,                                                               "Tis the land where the columbines grow, Overlooking the plains far below, While the cool summer breeze in the evergreen trees, Softly sings where the columbines grow." Purchase your tickets for the 37th annual Central City Cemetery Crawl on August 22, 2026, here: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/gilpin-historical-society-37th-annual-cemetery-crawl-tickets-1992231897234?aff=oddtdtcreator Need an Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery Podcast tee, hoodie or mug? Find all our taphophile-fun much here: https://oecemetery.etsy.com Family Tales: A free printable is now available! Gather 'round the table and dig into your roots! This interactive family history game is perfect for holidays, reunions, or just because. Ask, listen, and laugh your way through generations of stories and secrets. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UT_R56qEwNTIxIBrTy8KFyVmGnFOe7g8/view?usp=sharing Support the show

  3. Jul 23

    Episode 288 - "Take the Back Roads" the life of Minnie Pearl

    Send us a text! We love hearing from listeners. If you'd like a response, please include your email. Howdy! This week on the Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery podcast, Jennie and Dianne are joined by award-winning author and historian Mary Ellen Pethel, who shares the Ordinary Extraordinary story of Sarah Ophelia Colley Cannon, or as most of the world knows her, Minnie Pearl! Born in 1912 in Centerville, Tennessee, Sarah often recalled how her upbringing in a small town shaped her outlook on life. After moving to Nashville during the Great Depression to study theater, she joined a touring company and developed the iconic country girl persona we know today, inspired by her friend Mattie Burden. Her big break came in 1940 when she debuted at the Grand Ole Opry, making audiences laugh with her signature greeting and comedic style. Over her fifty-plus year career, she shared the stage with country music legends like Patsy Cline and Hank Williams, while also mentoring young artists like Elvis Presley and Garth Brooks, new to the industry. As Dolly Parton said, "Minnie Pearl became my friend in 1964. I was 18, new in town, and Minnie Pearl took me under her wing. She gave me good advice, the how to’s, the how not to’s, the when to’s, and the when not to’s. I learned a lot from her as a woman and as a professional entertainer but above all that, as a good, solid human being. Minnie was more than a big laugh. She was a big heart, and I will always love her." Image Credit: By Denny-Moeller Talent, Inc. (management company) - eBay itemphoto frontphoto back, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=16626755 You can read all about Minnie Pearl in "Howdy! The Minnie Pearl Story' by Mary Ellen Pethel and Don Cusic. https://utpress.org/9798895270585/howdy/ You can watch the PBS documentary, 'Facing the Laughter: Minnie Pearl" directed by Barbara J. Hall, here: https://www.pbs.org/show/facing-the-laughter-minnie-pearl/ Need an Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery Podcast tee, hoodie or mug? Find all our taphophile-fun much here: https://oecemetery.etsy.com Family Tales: A free printable is now available! Gather 'round the table and dig into your roots! This interactive family history game is perfect for holidays, reunions, or just because. Ask, listen, and laugh your way through generations of stories and secrets. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UT_R56qEwNTIxIBrTy8KFyVmGnFOe7g8/view?usp=sharing Support the show

  4. Jul 2

    Episode 285 - Ordinary Extraordinary America: A 4th of July Special

    Send us a text! We love hearing from listeners. If you'd like a response, please include your email. 250 years ago, America was an idea. Today, it’s millions of stories! This week, we go back to a few of them we've covered on the Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery podcast, beginning with Kurt Deion, who spent his childhood visiting presidential graves and now cares for the stories of thousands of Americans at Congressional Cemetery in Washington, DC. We travel through the Wild West with "Bulldogging" Bill Pickett, one of our country's most famous black cowboys. Of course, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania plays a pivotal role in the American story, and so we revisit our conversation with Nancy Goldenberg and Sarah Hamill, Stewards of Laurel Hill Cemetery. You'll also hear some of Major Pauline Cushman's story, told by MJ Henion, as a spy for the Union during the American Civil War, and we cover the death of a Revolutionary War soldier buried at Whitehall Burial Ground in Mystic, Connecticut, whose death was brought about by the traitorous Benedict Arnold! We wish you all a very safe and happy 4th of July! Happy birthday, America! Need an Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery Podcast tee, hoodie or mug? Find all our taphophile-fun much here: https://oecemetery.etsy.com Family Tales: A free printable is now available! Gather 'round the table and dig into your roots! This interactive family history game is perfect for holidays, reunions, or just because. Ask, listen, and laugh your way through generations of stories and secrets. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UT_R56qEwNTIxIBrTy8KFyVmGnFOe7g8/view?usp=sharing Links to the full episodes mentioned in this episode:  Episode 191 - An Independence Day Chat with Presidential Grave Hunter Kurt Deion https://www.theordinaryextraordinarycemetery.com/episode-191-an-independence-day-chat-with-presidential-grave-hunter-kurt-deion/ Episode 162 - Laurel Hill Cemetery in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: A Conversation with Laurel Hill’s Stewards https://www.theordinaryextraordinarycemetery.com/episode-162-laurel-hill-cemetery-in-philadelphia-pennsylvania-a-conversation-with-laurel-hills/ Episode 49 - Sleepy Hollow Cemetery in Concord, Massachusetts https://www.theordinaryextraordinarycemetery.com/episode-49-sleepy-hollow-cemetery-in/ Episode 72 - “Bulldogging” Bill Pickett: Cowboy, Wild West  Show Performer and Movie Star https://www.theordinaryextraordinarycemetery.com/episode-72-bulldogging-bill-pickett-cowboy-wild-west-show-performer-movie-star/ Episode 204 - From Stage to Spy: The Story of Major Pauline Cushman https://www.theordinaryextraordinarycemetery.com/episode-204-from-stage-to-spy-the-story-of-major-pauline-cushman/ Episode 119 - Whtehall Cemetery (Burial Ground) in Mystic, Connecticut https://www.theordinaryextraordinarycemetery.com/episode-119-whitehall-cemetery-burial-ground-in-mystic-connecticut/ Support the show

  5. Jun 25

    Episode 284: Nebraska City's Desk of Stone

    Send us a text! We love hearing from listeners. If you'd like a response, please include your email. You’re walking through a 170-year-old cemetery and find a tombstone that’s… a desk? Welcome to Wyuka Cemetery in Nebraska City. The city itself was founded in 1855 after the U.S. Army abandoned Fort Kearny just eight years earlier. Thanks to its spot on the Missouri River, it became a boomtown before the turn of the 20th century, bringing in settlers, steamboats, and later the railroad. One of those early families was the Hardings. Nehemiah and Mamie arrived that same year. He became the territory’s first insurance agent and opened Nebraska’s first bookstore. Together, they had 10 children and by the end of their lives were fondly remembered for their pioneering spirit. Their roll-top desk monument in Wyuka is a memorial to their family legacy, honoring their dedication to family and community.  Read more about some of the other fascinating monuments at Wyuka Cemetery in Nebraska City on the Adventures in Cemetery Hopping Blog written by Traci Rylands here: https://adventuresincemeteryhopping.com//?s=nebraska+city&search=Go Need an Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery Podcast tee, hoodie or mug? Find all our taphophile-fun much here: https://oecemetery.etsy.com Family Tales: A free printable is now available! Gather 'round the table and dig into your roots! This interactive family history game is perfect for holidays, reunions, or just because. Ask, listen, and laugh your way through generations of stories and secrets. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UT_R56qEwNTIxIBrTy8KFyVmGnFOe7g8/view?usp=sharing Resources used to research this episode include various digitized records found on Ancestry.com and FamilySearch.com as well as various historical newspaper articles and advertisements found on newspapers.com.  "Fort Kearny". nebraskastudies.org,                    https://nebraskastudies.org/en/1800-1849/forts-built/fort-kearny/. Accessed 21 June 2026. "Nebraska Center for the Education of Children who are Blind or Visually Impaired". ncecbvi.org, https://www.ncecbvi.org/whoweare. Accessed 21 June 2026. "Nebraska Cities by Population (2026)". nebraska-demographics.com, https://www.nebraska-demographics.com/cities_by_population. Accessed 21 June 2026. "J. Sterling Morton: Founder of Arbor Day". nebraskastudies.org, https://nebraskastudies.org/en/1850-1874/j-sterling-morton-founder-of-arbor-day/. Accessed 21 June 2026. "History of Nebraska City". nebraskacityne.gov, https://nebraskacityne.gov/community/history.php. Accessed 21 June 2026. Support the show

  6. Jun 18

    Episode 283 - The Seamstresses of Liberty

    Send us a text! We love hearing from listeners. If you'd like a response, please include your email. Happy belated Flag Day! On this week’s Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery podcast, Dianne and Jennie are honoring the women behind the American flag. You know Betsy Ross, but do you know Mary Pickersgill and Grace Wisher? Did Betsy Ross really make the first flag? And why does she have three possible burial sites in Philadelphia? And how did Mary Pickersgill, a widowed business owner, and Grace Wisher, a free young woman of color indentured to Mary, inspire Francis Scott Key to write the poem that became our National Anthem? Jennie and Dianne weave together the myths, historical facts, and the graves that hold their stories while celebrating how these women, and so many others like them, literally stitched our country together! Need an Ordinary Extraordinary Cemetery Podcast tee, hoodie or mug? Find all our taphophile-fun much here: https://oecemetery.etsy.com Family Tales: A free printable is now available! Gather 'round the table and dig into your roots! This interactive family history game is perfect for holidays, reunions, or just because. Ask, listen, and laugh your way through generations of stories and secrets. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UT_R56qEwNTIxIBrTy8KFyVmGnFOe7g8/view?usp=sharing Planning an overnight stay in Kearney, Nebraska? Book with the Heritage House! https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/15256246?source_impression_id=p3_1781800480_P3M2-1z61_DbCNx4 Resources used to research this episode include: "The History and Evolution of the American Flag ." https://www.nationalflagfoundation.org/. 1 June 2026. www.nationalflagfoundation.org/flag-history-evolution/. Accessed 15 June 2026. "Elizabeth “Betsy” Ross ." https://friendsofmountmoriahcemetery.org/. friendsofmountmoriahcemetery.org/about/notable-burials/elizabeth-betsy-ross/. Accessed 15 June 2026. "Mary Pickersgill ." https://www.nps.gov/. 10 Oct. 2019. www.nps.gov/people/mary-pickersgill.htm. Accessed 15 June 2026. "Grace Wisher ." https://www.nps.gov/. 5 Jan. 2021. www.nps.gov/fomc/learn/historyculture/grace-wisher.htm. Accessed 15 June 2026. Support the show

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The Ordinary, Extraordinary Cemetery is a podcast for cemetery lovers, preservationists, and even those who've never walked among the graves. Join hosts Jennie and Dianne as they explore old cemeteries and learn the stories of those buried within their walls. After all, every death had a life, and every life had a story.

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