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  1. Jun 13

    The Art Parlor for June, 2026 Presents: Jessica Tomlinson!

    Episode Notes This month, it was our pleasure to speak with Jessica Tomlinson! Jessica is an eclectic composer, synthesist, keyboard player, and recording engineer based in the Tampa Bay area who happens to be legally blind. When she isn't playing pop rock with the band Rainbow Portal, she's crafting boundary-pushing experimental compositions in her home studio. She serves on the Audio Engineering Society’s Accessibility committee and the MIDI Association Special Interest Group focusing on accessibility. Jessica is also an active member of SoundGirls and the Earth Modular Society. She gives back to the community through Girls Rock Camp St. Pete and teaches blind senior citizens to use assistive technology. She also creates visual art with a powerful magnifier. I hope you enjoy the show as much as we did creating it! For more information about Friends in Art, please visit their website: . AI-Generated Transcript Opinions expressed on ACB media are those of the respective program contributors and cannot be assumed to serve as endorsements of products or views by friends in art, the American Council of the Blind, their elected officials, or staff. Friends in Art welcomes you to the Art Parlor, where visually impaired artists of all types will discuss their work. Pull up a chair, bring along your beverage of choice, and listen to thoughtful, stimulating conversations with visually impaired artists in all media and from all parts of the world. And now... Hi everyone, this is Annie Chiappetta, President of Friends in Art, and this is the Art Parlor. And tonight we have a very special guest, Jessica Tomlinson. And we're going to talk about pretty much all different kinds of stuff relating to creativity and music and being an artist, that kind of stuff. Jessica, welcome. How are you today? I am very good, excited to talk creativity with you as I enjoy learning about lots of different media. as you will hear, I do enjoy dabbling in many different things and I enjoy hearing about other people's creative practice as well. Excellent. Excellent. So how did you first decide you wanted to be a part of the performing arts? Was it something that you like to do as a kid? Was it, you know, when you were in high school? How did that develop for you? So I have always been very fascinated by and very attuned to sound because with people's five senses the brain tends to pick one or two to prioritize. Technical geeks will think of this as being like a computer's IRQs, meaning is the keyboard or the mouse, the primary input device. So most people, their primary input sense is sight, but I was born with underdeveloped optic nerves or optic nerve hypoplasia. So sound has always been my primary sense that I focus on. And then the sense of touch is kind of secondary and then maybe seeing is a kind of third because I do have some low vision. So I would make up words for sounds like if someone were to scrape a chair across the floor, I would say that's like calling it huge or radio static sounded a lot like frizz, frizz, frizz. So I saw musicians kind of from afar, but I didn't have any role models when I was very young, so I didn't really think of it as something I could do. However, when I became a teenager and started going to local concerts, I saw the front of House mixing console, which is the large board at the position where the engineer is able to balance the levels from all the different instruments. And when I saw and heard and was told that that was an actual job that some people do, I was completely hooked. I was single-minded throughout my teenage years that I was going to have a career in that field. And I went to a trade school. I went to full sale university back then it was called full sale real world education in Orlando. And I did I graduated from the recording arts program. And I found it very fascinating. I learned a lot of incredible things. I picked up a lot of general standard knowledge about recording equipment and how it's connected in something we call signal flow for how signal goes from the microphone to the preamp through the mixing console to the outboard gear. And finally, at that time, we were mostly using tape machines. Now we have programs on the computers called digital audio workstations that double as the tape recorder, the multi-track, the mixing console, and even the outboard effects gear too. So all that is in the computer. How many of those digital audio workstations are you trained in or that you know of? that you have knowledge of. I've used different ones over the years. I cannot say that I am expert in a lot of the ones that I used earlier. My very first one was called Cool Edit Pro from Adobe, now Adobe Audition. I used digital performer for a little while there. At Full Sail I was taught about Pro Tools and Logic. Then I used a Cubase for a while there. And now my DAW of choice is Reaper. And I feel much more comfortable with Reaper today. I can do, I consider more with it than I have been able to with any DAW in the past. And why is that? Because number one, it has such a flexible workflow, which I do understand can contribute to a steep learning curve if someone is just getting started. you are able to set it up and customize it the way you want it to work. And the OSARA, OS-A-R-A extension, I don't exactly know what the acronym stands for, but it provides for very deep functionality using a screen reader. So I am able to close my eyes and use my QWERTY keyboard, and I also now use a a control surface, which is a little mini mixing board with faders on it, except no audio goes through it. It's just a giant mouse. It's a tactile surface to control the reaper environment with and do a lot of things, not only editing spoken content, but also mixing music and recording music, which is my passion. And I can record MIDI into it as well and use a lot of virtual instruments, playing a piano like keyboard. Right. Are you on the MIDI? Are you on the MIDI list? I am not. I am on the Reapers Without Peepers list when I get time to pop over there. I know that there is a MIDI list. I'm not sure if it's still, you know, it's, but I don't know how to subscribe to it, but I will find out for you and send it to you. I'll do some searching. There is a mega stash of accessible resources that the Reaper community publishes. So I will check in there to see if I can find it as well. Also just a note, I don't know too much what it's gonna be like yet, but I have been able to attend a few meetings of the MIDI Association Special Interest Group on accessibility and they are currently developing MIDI 2.0. Interesting. They are trying to incorporate text-based screen reader prompts through that and some other cool nifty stuff yet to be seen down the road. So we have something to look forward to. That is really cool because I know a couple of people that love MIDI and are very dedicated to it. I'm not sure if it's still on the Friends and Art website, but we may have a link to the MIDI list on the website, but I haven't... I'm not sure. I still have to check because I don't use MIDI. So what would you say to somebody who maybe wants to start out as an audio engineer, do something for their personal enjoyment? How would they start? What kind of, where would they go? I mean, not, yeah. Yeah. That really depends on what they would like to do because there are many subfields. There are many little niches within the field of audio or maybe it's niches. I don't know. There is live sound. Yeah, there's live sound. So there is ways to support musicians that are on stage. There is home studio recording and mixing, which is what a lot of people do because we can set up our environments and not have people moving our stuff all the time and really get familiar with one set of gear and push it to its potential. There's also post-production where you support film and TV shows. There's sound design for sound effects for those shows. There's dialogue editing. There's actually audio description editing as well. If you look into the audio description projects. So there are lots and lots of ways to get involved with sound. I would say the first thing would be if you know anybody who also has an interest in the field to ask them to find out, first of all, what part of the industry are they involved in, what has worked for them, what tools they use, and then just because the tools work for somebody else doesn't necessarily mean that they're gonna work for you. So one of the reasons why we have so many different types of gear and DAWs and things is because everybody works and processes differently. So the path that many people are probably gonna wanna take is like a home studio situation so that they can record and mix either their own music or have some collaborations with friends. So you need a couple of things and you don't need to acquire these all at once. You need either a computer or a tablet. There are some that work on iOS, but I'm not as familiar with them. I know GarageBand is a really good one that some people start with on iOS and Mac, but either a computer or a tablet, a good set of headphones or speakers so that you can hear clearly what you're doing, preferably in a good listening environment that doesn't have a bunch of echo. But that's a whole other discussion. So my room here, you can hear that echo. So that echo is going to affect and color what you're hearing. So you're hearing way too much of one frequency. You'll cut it in the mix and then somebody else will be listening in another environment and they will be like, hey, wait a minute, that sounds like there's a hole in that. So I think the key is good monitoring, which means listening on either headphones or speakers. But even if you, whatever you have, whatever you start with, when you make a mix, when you make a musical track or a spoken content, take tha

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  2. Apr 2

    The Art Parlor for April, 2026 Presents: NVision Guitars!

    Episode Notes Welcome to The Art Parlor for April, brought to you by Friends in Art! It's been a spell and we are very glad to be back! Join us for an inspiring conversation with the creators of NVision Guitars, a mother-and-son team building custom adaptive guitars for musicians with disabilities. From tactile designs for blind players to ergonomic solutions for mobility challenges, their work is opening doors to music for everyone. Hear their story, their passion, and how they’re redefining accessibility in the arts. AI-Generated Transcript Jason Opinions expressed on ACB Media are those of the respective program contributors and cannot be assumed to serve as endorsements of products or views by Friends in Art, the American Council of the Blind, their elected officials, or staff. Friends in Art welcomes you to the Art Parlor, where visually impaired artists of all types will discuss their work. Pull up a chair, bring along your beverage of choice, and listen to thoughtful, stimulating conversations with visually impaired artists in all media and from all parts of the world. And now, here's your host, Anne Chiappetta. Ann Welcome everyone to the Friends and Art, Art Parlor podcast. I'm Ann Chiappetta, your president, and I'm joined tonight by some special guests. But before I get to them, I also want to let you know that Meghan Downing, one of our board members, is here to help us welcome our guests from Envision Guitars. So we have Renee and Tristan. And I just want to welcome you guys. I know we had you featured on our blog at www.friendsinart.org/news. If anybody wants to go there and check you guys out for your interview. So welcome, welcome, welcome. Renee Thank you. Thank you for allowing us to be here. Ann Sure. So you're from Iowa, right? Tristan Yep, we're from Ankeny, Iowa. So just a suburb outside of Des Moines. Ann So my new guide dog's name is Iowa, by the way. So really? Tristan Really? How did you know? Ann He was born in the I litter. And that's the name that they picked. So. Oh, okay. Yeah. I just thought that was a little, a cute little thing to let you guys know. Before we get into like the questions, could you give us a little bit of your history, how you started your business and maybe some of the reasons why? Sure, yeah, absolutely. Renee Well, Tristan started playing guitar when he was about 10 years old. And he's always had a love for guitar and played it and kind of messed around with building guitars all through high school. And anyway, about a year and a half, two years ago, I was having some health issues and Tristan was taking me back and forth to Mayo. And we just really got into some deep talks about life and the purpose of life. And I had recently retired from the military. So I had been running a Christmas decorating business that I had to actually quit due to the health issues. And so we were just talking over just what the future holds for both of us actually. And I said, you know, what would make you the happiest? What do you think would you would find most purpose in? And he said, I would find most purpose in building guitars. And that was just kind of out of the blue because I never knew that he actually just wanted to build guitars for a living. And I said, Well, you know, what's stopping you from doing that? And he said, I don't know. And I said, Well, what would that look like? And so we brainstormed on up to Mayo and we talked about how my dad, who was a quadriplegic, had went to Easter Seals and gotten training on leather making and he had gotten some tools from them and he had found his purpose through that. And then Tristan had shared with me that when he was younger, he used to play the guitar with his eyes closed because he was afraid that someday he may not be able to see and he was afraid that he may not be able to play the guitar. And so he'd been doing that for some time. And just on that same vein, we brainstormed the idea of what if we made guitars for people who can't just pull a guitar off of the shelf of a box store and play it. So what if we made guitars for people who have challenges, maybe some low vision or maybe they're blind or maybe they're in a wheelchair and they have spatial considerations or Parkinson's. You know, there's a variety of different challenges face where they can't just take a guitar, like I said, off of the shelf. And you know, as we dug into it, we realized there's actually nothing like that. There's nothing like that out there. There's guitars that look like tech toys, and there's guitars that maybe they have, you know, some tactile markers on them with glue or some homemade type of fashioned material to allow people to kind of use it, but nothing's actually made for people with these challenges. And we thought, well, why won't we, you know, we could do that. And so we have developed various adaptations for our guitars and we built a business around it. And that's what we do. So Tristan is the luthier and I do the management, the sales, the marketing. He of course helps me with a lot of that as well. But he's our guitar maker and our technical expert. And I try to help anywhere that I can to free up his time so that he can do what he does best. Ann Wow. So Tristan, how did you learn your craft? Tristan It wasn't necessarily like a linear learning system, I would say. A lot of times with a kind of niche craft like that, you have to really stretch out your arms to whoever you can get information from that will really benefit your ability. So whether that's from reaching out to local Luthiers and local shops, to ask them how can we get better at our craft, what are we missing, what are the things that we're nailing, countless hours of watching YouTube videos and different tutorials, and then a lot and a lot of practice in the garage and trials and errors and learning from those errors. So it's a very compound kind of learning for it. you have to pull from just multiple different sources. Ann Do you feel that some of this is like natural for you in eight? And then some of it is, you know, you've got to learn how to hone your craft. Do you feel like you were, you were kind of like, you had it in you, you just had to get it, get it to the point where you, you know, get it out there. Tristan And definitely, yeah, I think that I think that it's one of those things that when you have a passion for something, you're going to find a way to make it so you know how to do it. But so I don't think that it necessarily takes like someone that has these innate abilities compared to another. It's who's willing to put in the hard work and who's actually passionate about what they're doing. So it's, you can apply it to anything that anyone's passionate about. It's just the ability to keep moving forward with it and keep persisting even while you're waiting. Ann Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so I have a curious little weird question. Are you the one that drinks the monsters while you're working? because there's a picture in the background. The monster drinks are there. Tristan I've been trying to cut down on that a little bit. But yeah. Renee To be fair, even though they're completely not what I would recommend, Tristan was working a full-time job up until not too long ago. So he was working the full-time job while doing a vision. Jason Oh, wow. Renee He was sleeping literally about four hours a night. Yeah, I was sleeping like four to five hours a night for a good year. Yeah, but we finally were blessed with the opportunity to go full time. And so he's been getting more sleep. So OK. Ann That's pretty good. I was. Well, yeah. Sometimes I didn't expect that to be described on the photo when I put him put it through my describer and I was like, oh, it was really cute. Anyway, Megan, do you have any questions? Meghan Yeah. Hi, guys. I'm Megan. It's nice to be on this call with you. I love so far what I'm hearing and learning about what you guys are doing. I guess I want to give a little bit of background on kind of where I fit into this a little bit, but I'm blind. I started losing my vision when I was nine to a progressive eye condition. I'm 24 now, so it's been a little bit over half my life now since I've lost my vision. I started playing fiddle when I was like four, and then music was always something like I could do Well, my vision was decreasing as I got older. And so I just love your mission of like figuring out ways for people with any ability to be able to play music, because I think music is one of those things where it's accessible to like everyone, whether it's listening or playing. And this process of losing my vision and music helping me through that led me to I went to Berkeley College of Music, And I actually play guitar. I went to Berkeley for guitar. Renee That's awesome. Meghan Yes, big fans of Berkeley. Yeah, I was really blessed to be able to-- I was like my dream school. And I started playing guitar when I was younger as well. It was probably my second or third instrument I started playing and fell in love with guitar. And so I kind of put the fiddle aside. And guitar is my main passion. So when Annie told me you guys were coming on and I learned about what you guys were doing, I was like, oh my gosh, that's amazing. because I actually, I studied, I'm a music therapist. Jason And so I work with folks all that like literally Meghan every single day that could use products like what you guys are doing. I worked in like neuro rehabilitation with stroke patients and I still work with people who are brain injured. And it's funny that you said something about, you know, I just got a grant from the Christopher Reeves Foundation to do a project with people with paralysis. And I know that you mentioned your dad was a quadriplegic and I'm working a lot with those folks right now or I'm about to start. So I'm like really interested in what you guys are doing and I would love to know like if you found a way to adapt for p

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  3. 08/31/2025

    The Art Parlor for September Presents: Abbie Johnson Taylor

    Episode Notes Welcome to the September edition of The Art Parlor, brought to you by Friends in Art! In this episode, we speak with author and entertainer, Abbie Taylor. Join us as we explore her journey starting as a music therapist, with music entertainment and writing following in step. We also learn about her newly-published book, Living Vicariously in Wyoming: Stories. It was a pleasure having Abbie with us on the Art Parlor and we hope you enjoy the show! To learn more about her and stay up to date, visit her website at www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com. AI-Generated Transcript Opinions expressed on ACB Media are those of the respective program contributors and cannot be assumed to serve as endorsements of products or views by Friends in Art, the American Council of the Blind, their elected officials or staff. Friends in Art welcomes you to the Art Parlor, where visually impaired artists of all types will discuss their work. Pull up a chair, bring along your beverage of choice, and listen to thoughtful, stimulating conversations with visually impaired artists in all media and from all parts of the world. And now, here's your host, Ann Chiappetta. Good evening everyone, welcome to the Friends in Art Art Parlor, where artists and audiences thrive. You can find us on www.friendsinart.org. Tonight we are talking to Abbie Johnson-Taylor, and Abbie is a singer, a musician, a poet, and an author. Did I miss anything, Abbie? I don't think so, I think you covered it all. All right, and we're going to talk a little bit about your newest book, Living Vicariously in Wyoming, which is a great title, by the way, and all the other creative things you do in your life. Hopefully we can get it all in in the time that we're going to be talking to you. So, Abbie, first maybe you tell us a little bit about yourself, where you live, what you do, and then we'll go from there. Okay, well I'm in Sheridan, Wyoming, and I am, as you said, a writer, and I'm also a singer. I've published seven books, and there's two novels, two poetry collections, and a memoir, and then this new short story collection that just came out back in March. And when I'm not writing, I entertain monthly at two or three senior facilities in the community, plus at our local senior center, and then I also do the music for a local church the second Sunday of the month. And then in the fall, winter, and spring months, I sing with a group called the Hubcaps, which meets at the senior center and does most of our performances there. My goodness, you need a personal assistant to like help you out. Right, well, that's what I have my AMAZON ECHO devices for, and my iPhone. So, yeah, yeah, definitely. So, how long has it been for you, like, when did you get the bug, like this, you know, I know that, at least I think I remember you saying you came from a musical family, and can you talk a little bit about that? Well, my grandfather played the saxophone in a band, and so I think I must have inherited his musical genes. And then my younger brother did play drums for a while, and I think he still does, but I don't know that he does it on a regular basis as much as I do play the piano and guitar and sing. But yeah, I have, and when I went, my mother loved to tell this story about how I started playing music. They had purchased a used piano, upright piano, and they thought it would just be a toy. And I was about five years old, and I was digging around one day, and I don't really remember this, but my mother said she heard me playing "da-da-da-da," and so she immediately went to call a piano teacher. Oh, and so where did you go from there? Well, I took lessons, you know, off and on. At that time, we were living in Tucson, Arizona, and I, you know, took lessons from several teachers, and then we moved here to Wyoming, and I took lessons for another year or so, and then I finally gave up, and I then got interested in playing popular songs and then singing and using the piano to accompany myself. And I pretty much did that, you know, through my teen years. And then in college, when I decided to study music therapy, I had to get a guitar, because, you know, if you're working, like, in nursing homes, and of course the residence rooms don't have pianos, and so you need something portable that you can take, you know, and play when you're in those situations. So, and that's basically how my music career got off the ground. How long did it take for you to really learn the guitar and feel confident with the guitar? Well, I actually, I'm guessing maybe like one semester, because I just took a beginning guitar class, and that was really all I needed for what I was going to do. Just, you know, learn some basic stuff, you know, just to play, you know, a few chords here and there, nothing, nothing really fancy. So, yeah, about a semester. And then, you know, the piano kind of, I really don't remember how long it took to learn the piano. I was pretty small when I started, but, you know, I took lessons for years. But I only took, you know, guitar maybe for half, for a semester in college, and that was it. So, which do you prefer to play, or which do you play more often? I prefer to play the piano, but since, you know, the facilities where I go don't have a piano that's either, you know, available in the same room where I am, or it's out of tune, or whatever. I use the guitar, but I actually prefer the piano, because I can do more with it than I can with the guitar. Yeah, yeah. And do you read Braille music? No, I play, I do all my playing by ear, and nowadays it's easy when I learn, want to learn something new, I just have my A lady play it, and then I go find the words online, and, you know, I may have to hear it several times, and, you know, and, you know, go through it with the, with the lyrics, but it's really not that hard to do. That's amazing. Do you have perfect pitch? Yes, I do. Yeah, well, that makes it easier, doesn't it? It does make it easier, but it makes it annoying at parties, because when people hear you have perfect pitch, they say, "What's this note? What's that note?" And it can get annoying, to say the least. But otherwise, it works hands-in-handy. That's like, my kids, I would, I would tell them to drop a coin, and I would say I know what coin it was, and so that turned into a parlor trick with their friends, and at some point, I was like, "No, I don't want to tell you what coin that dropped on the floor." Oh, I know. Like, I'm sorry. You're not the only, you're not the only totally blind person I know that does it. I had a friend who was totally blind when I was in college, and whenever I dropped a coin, she would say, "Oh, you dropped a quarter." Well, that's really helpful, but can you tell me where it landed? No. Well, I could kind of tell you, maybe, like, maybe it's over there by your left foot, but I don't know how far it is. Right. Oh my goodness. All right. You were originally from Tucson, Arizona. Did you move to Wyoming? Well, I was actually born in New York City. Were you really? Yeah, yeah, and, but we were only there for about a year, and then my parents, we moved to Boulder, Colorado, and we stayed there for a few years, and then moved to Tucson, Arizona, where we lived for about eight years before deciding to move up here, and we moved up here because my grandfather had just passed away, and grandma needed someone to run the family's coin operating machine business, and so my dad felt obligated to do that because none of his other siblings were interested. So, we came up here, and I've been here ever since. I did go away to school in the 1980s, but then I came back, and I've been here ever since. Oh, I didn't know you were born in New York City. My goodness. Yeah, yeah, and unfortunately, I don't remember anything about living there. We were only there for about a year, I think. So, well, you know what? That's great that you didn't remember the bad things or the good things. Right, exactly. Life's late, right? Yes, yes. Abbie, you and I have known each other for how long now? A long time. I can't count that high. Ten years, I think, and we originally met through behind our eyes. Yes. Right? Yeah. So, I knew you first and foremost as a writer, and then as a musician. It's just interesting, you know, who knew you first as a musician, and who knew you first as a writer? I'm just telling you, I knew you first as a writer. And then, you know, when I really listened to your work, you know, as a vocalist and everything, you give a beautiful voice, and you have a gift. I just wanted to say that. Yeah. So, let's talk about your book, Living Vicariously in Wyoming. I already told you I loved the title, and I didn't really, kind of, you know, when I first heard the title, I was like, "Oh, this should be interesting." Then after I read the book, I was like, "Oh, it makes total sense now!" So, I was like, "Yeah, it's the perfect title!" And I like that in books. A little bit of intriguing, like, question. It makes you open the book and read it, to find out why you chose that title. So, I really liked it. I guess my first question would be, like, where did these stories originate? Were they prompts? Were they things that you sent off to other publishers? Were any of them just, you wake up in the middle of the night, and you had to write that down? >> Well, these stories had, you know, a variety of different inspirations. I know that the last one in the book, Welcome to Wyoming, it was actually a dream I had that I was the one who was trying, getting back and ended up in the situation that she is in, in the story. And other stories were just inspired by some by real-life events. There's one where a college student identifies with a character in a play, and my parents, were into community theater. And I did have some acting experience in high school and college, a

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  4. 05/12/2025

    The Art Parlor for May, 2025 Presents: Johnny Cassidy

    Episode Notes Welcome to the May edition of The Art Parlor! This month, oru guest is Johnny Cassidy. He is a BBC journalist and a fellow for the Reuter’s Institute for the Study of Journalism. Johnny Cassidy has been a TV and radio producer at the BBC for more than 17 years. He has recently moved into a new role into digital news, working on longer-term projects, specifically on how to best reach opportunity and under-served audiences. He is a passionate advocate for diversity and inclusion and believes strongly in universal accessibility for everyone. We are proud to now offer you a transcript of this episode and those in the future. Thank you and enjoy! AI-generated Transcript Opinions expressed on ACB Media are those of the respective program contributors and cannot be assumed to serve as endorsements of products or views by Friends in Art, the American Council of the Blind, their elected officials, or staff. Friends in Art welcomes you to the Art Parlor, where visually impaired artists of all types will discuss their work. Pull up a chair, bring along your beverage of choice, and listen to thoughtful, stimulating conversations with visually impaired artists in all media and from all parts of the world. And now, here's your host, Ann Chiappetta. Welcome to the Art Parlor. I'm your president, Ann Chiappetta, and the Art Parlor is brought to you by Friends in Art, the place where blind and low vision artists and audiences thrive. You can find us on www.friendsinart.org. Today's guest is Johnny Cassidy. He's a BBC journalist and a fellow for the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism. Johnny Cassidy has been a TV and radio producer at the BBC for more than 17 years. He's recently moved into a new role into digital news, working on longer-term projects, specifically focused on how best to reach opportunity and underserved audiences. He is a passionate advocate for diversity and inclusion and believes strongly in universal accessibility for everyone. Welcome Johnny. Hello, Ann. How are you doing? Thank you so much for having me here. Yeah, wonderful. I'm glad you could make it and we managed to figure out the time change. At last, eventually, yeah. Right. Yeah. So before we get started into my questions, I just want our listeners to know how we met and we met through the Descriptathon of all things. And I just wanted to know what you thought of the overall experience for anyone that's listening that might be considering to do a Descriptathon. Well, the first thing to say is, if you are considering to do it next year, go for it. It was a fabulous, fantastic experience. Not least because I got to meet you, Ann, and we're talking here today. So if nothing else, that was a huge bonus. But the Descriptathon, it was a really good experience. It wasn't anything that I had experienced before. I didn't know what to expect really from it. So it was totally different. I think, you know, trying to work like that in such a big, massive collaborative way with so many people, hats off and huge kudos to the whole team at Descriptathon who managed to corral and manage that big group of people. And I think for so many people to show a passion and an interest in making images accessible to blind and low vision people, I think, you know, it's a it was just there's so many positives from it. It was just really, really good. So if anybody is considering it for next year, definitely go for it. I thought it was fantastic. Yeah, I totally agree. That's why I keep coming back. I think once you do it, you can't stop. It's just it's such an affirming experience for everybody. And you know, and it's not an easy thing either. There's, you know, times where you're like, oh, boy, I got to keep going. There's a lot of frenetic parts that just kind of come together. You don't think it's going to come together. And you say, oh, oh, wow. You know, I don't know if we'll make it to the end. But then you do. It's like, I don't know how it happens, but it happens. I think the management team must be doing so much really, as you say, frenetic stuff in the background, behind the scenes, under the waterline. Because it does. You know, I was exactly the same as you. I was thinking this is chaotic. And then it slowly but surely comes together and you find your feet. You know what it is that you're doing before you know it. Those three days are up and three big full days and they're open. There's really good, solid product to show for it. So yeah, brilliant experience. Yeah, I agree. Wow. OK, so there's a plug for the descriptor that's done. So more serious things, I guess. Could you share with us your vision loss journey and maybe incorporate that into who you are and maybe how you got to be a writer and that kind of. Yeah, from a young age, I was always short sighted. I wore glasses, first of all. But when I was I think I was maybe as young as seven, I started wearing contact lenses because there are these big, heavy glasses that I wore. They were big, thick glasses. And my mom used to say that, you know, I don't do a national health. The UK is the National Health Service and they were the ones the most comfortable glasses. I don't know if anybody remembers the wire framed ones with curly wire that went around your ear and really hurt my ears because there were heavy lenses. And, you know, my mom used to say I used to hide them down the fields and, you know, I would always have to be getting new ones and everything. I ended up wearing contact lenses and lenses for a good while. But then when I was 11, I you know, people can hear from my accent. I grew up just outside Belfast in the north of Ireland. When I was 11, I. Part of the situation that was there, I was beat up. I lost the eyesight of my right eye straight away. That was a detached retina. But then for years, my left eye was fine. And it didn't really bother me at all. You know, I went to mainstream school. Luckily, I did. I learned to touch type of school. Maybe there was a prediction of what might happen later on. But when I was maybe early 20s, I left. I started going. I had a series of detached retina operations, maybe five or six operations. And it slowly, gradually during my 20s and deteriorated more and more. And such times that I had to start using the white stick when it did start going, my left eye, I was actually studying at art college in Belfast. I was studying fine art as an artist, as a painter. But my eyesight started getting to the point where I just couldn't do it anymore. So I left. I got a bit lost for a while. Didn't know what I was going to do. And I come up with this really, sort of, I thought, very sensible idea of transferring my understanding and experience as an artist into sound art. Something that was tangible to me. I no longer could see visually enough to paint or to draw or to do clay work. I suppose I could have done clay work. But I had this idea of going into sound art. So I went to study sound engineering and that never really took off. But, you know, again, went out into the wilderness, lost for a while and went to university, studied literature, history. And my mum passed away. She left a few pounds and it wasn't that much at all. But I used it to do something really concrete. And that's when I decided that when I was at university, I studied or discovered a penchant, a liking for writing and research. And I thought, hmm, and I thought maybe I could move into journalism. So I went and did a postgraduate qualification in journalism. And rather naively, the first job that I applied for after completing that postgraduate qualification was at the BBC. And weirdly, I got that job. And I do, I do. I still say, I think to this day, it was my mum. My mother was there. You're sort of guiding. She was at my back. She, as soon as she seen that it got settled with the first job, then that was it. It was almost, I always knew you from the point that I decided that's what I was going to do. I committed myself so much to it. I've done lots of things in the past that if I look back on it now and look and ask myself honestly, I don't think I'd committed wholeheartedly to it. But I think because of the. The intrinsic value of being able to do it as a memory for my mother, I knew in my heart that it wasn't that I was 100% committed to that I was going to be successful at. Your journey is very similar to my own. When my mum passed away, it's so odd that you mentioned all this. She made me promise that I would finally publish my my book, my poetry book. And then, yeah, like I always and I was like, OK, I'll do that. Right. And then when we were going through her, her stuff, we're going through all of her items in her apartment. We found her poetry that she never showed us. And she wrote I there's two poems that since they were handwritten, my my sister in law, she transposed them for me and put them in word and sent them to me. And that was just like, OK, I know where this writing thing came from. I know where this compulsion or this connection to the written word and literature and art and all that stuff came from. I didn't really fully understand it until then. So that's a beautiful thing, you know, I think in the same vein, it's almost. You know, it gives you an answer, but it also gives you something to aim towards. No, you're not doing it for yourself. You're somehow putting that goal. And it is a goal, you're doing it for someone else. So it makes it you almost. You are non-selfish thing. So you're doing it for what might be considered a right reason. Yeah. Yeah. It just seems natural, right? It's where you should be at, you know, and and then you can apply it to whatever you want in your life. Right. It gives you the freedom to do that. I think that's that's I think what now that I think about what happened and how th

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