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In My Humble Opinion talk show is hosted by Charles Lewis, Maxicelia Robinson, and Razor, along with special guests.

  1. Aug 29

    E10 First Person Charlottesville - Incarcerated Mothers Advocate-Candace Williams

    Maxicelia: Welcome to First Person Cville, the podcast. I’m your host, Maxicelia Robinson. I’m also a co-host of ‘In My Humble Opinion’ from 101 Jamz. I’m joined today by Candace Williams. Candace spent 18 years in central Virginia prisons. She’s the founder of Legendary AveNew, LLC — a consultancy that advocates for incarcerated women, mothers, and caregivers. Candace: A lot of people asked, how did you start a for profit while you were in prison? It was simple. It was easy, just being able to identify and go through a lot of the things that we went through as women being incarcerated. One of my good friends was like why don't you just take that pain and put it into purpose? Max: And Candace went through a lot of pain while she was incarcerated. She was in lockdown for about six months. Not only was she cut off from other women, her friends, her parents, and her grandparents, she was also trying to raise three kids from the inside — one of which she gave birth to in prison while strapped to a bed. Candace grew up on the other side of that equation. Her mother was in and out of prison, starting when Candace was about six years old, leaving her mostly in her older sister’s care. By the time she was a teenager, Candace was living with her grandparents. Candace: They gave me the love that I was yearning for, but at that time, at that point in my life, I wasn't receiving it because I was already angry. I was, I could say damaged, but I had been going through a lot since childhood. And it was just something that I wasn't trying to hear. Candace: I glorified the street life. Max: Why was that so appealing to you? Candace: My childhood with my mom, like just seeing individuals that would come around that was living that street life. Certain things that they were able to get and then just you know being raised by my grandma going in and out of the church and not having those things it just made me something click in my mind and I was like I gotta do it. Max: That seemed like the exciting life. Candace: I wanted to do that. Max: And it sounds like you never even still connected the dots between while the lifestyle that mom was living seemed great to you, look where mom is right now, that might mean that that lifestyle leads to… Candace: But the thing about it is, I always said I would never be like my mom. Candace: Grace Williams is great, my mom is phenomenal, but I'm talking about as far as incarceration. Max: Okay. Candace: I'm gonna be able to do what I want to do and I'm not gonna be incarcerated. I will always say that they say never and say never… Max: Right. So you had some warning signs? Candace: Oh, all the- listen. Max: Mm-hmm. Candace: I've had so many warning signs that I did not pay attention to. I'm definitely telling you if I were to…who knows how my story would have been written after this, but if I definitely would have paid attention to the signs, I definitely wouldn't have been in that situation. I didn't want to. 1 [music] Candace: So I remember getting to an age and, you know, really just wanting to hang out. And I remember my grandparents going and buying a cowbell. Anybody know what a cowbell is? It's like the loudest thing and they used to put it on the back of the door. Max: Okay. Candace: Because I would sneak out to go out to either like U parties or go places I wasn't supposed to go. So I got to the routine of where I would get up because I knew my grandma and granddaddy was asleep. Max: Mm-hmm. Candace: And I will hold the bell part and open the door. And then kind of leave a crack. And mind you, these are individuals that are well seasoned in their age. They're sleeping in the house and I left they door cracked and I would just take off and I will run to go to wherever I went to. I could have looked at the signs that they did kind of see it. They were trying to address it in their own way. And that starts with that cowbell on the door. I think that was a way… Max: But for you that was… Candace: That was like, are y'all trying to hold me back? I'm trying to live my life. But now that I'm older, I realized that that was my grandma and granddaddy saying, okay, if we hear this cowbell, we can get up and try to stop her. Max: It was a good idea. But that cowbell didn’t work. One night, when she was in her teens, Candace snuck out and went to a house party. Candace: And I remember the dj coming on saying Candice Williams… Max: Oh no they didn’t... Candace:…your father is downstairs. Max: Good for him though! Candace: So I remember looking downstairs and my dad had on these short shorts and these red Fila shoes. He was so embarrassing and I seen him going like this and I tried to go out the back door. So he ended up taking me to his house where I left again. Max: Okay. Candace: And I went to one of my cousin's house and the following day my dad came and got me and took me to my grandma's house. So when I got there my grandma was like somebody's on the phone for you. It was my mom. Max: Candace’s mom was turning her over to the state. Rather than sending her back to her grandparents (and the cowbell) — rather than having her live with her dad — Candace would be sent to live in a group home. At the time, she was furious. She felt abandoned. Now, she says she understands. She doesn’t blame her family for this decision. Candace: This is how my father knew how to parent. This is how my mother knew how to parent. This is when my grandmother thought that was best for me at the time. Candace: My grandma couldn't do it anymore. She was getting older. It was just too much for her. I was doing too much. [music] 2 Candace: Now, my grandfather was a pastor. Max: So not too short on words, right? Candace: No, no. Always trying to instill the word in me. Always trying to pray over me. Teach me how prayer and faith is everything but also Grace. Max: Okay. Candace: And that's funny because that's my mom's name. Max: Grace. Okay. Candace: Yes. And I try to go through life now showing grace, empathy to the situation. And that came from me being younger and having that instilled in me, but I didn't put that into play until like I say 10 years into my incarceration. [music] Max: After a few years in group homes (which, incidentally, she ran away from, too), Candace filed for emancipation, earned the right to control her own living situation, and moved in with her dad. Things started out good — she stopped running. She found out that she was pregnant with her first child, but was committed to graduating high school. Candace: [June 8th, 2004, I walked the stage, I was six months pregnant with my oldest daughter. Okay. And I remember going home, it was like that fire was taken off because I was like, all right, I know I'm pregnant. I have this baby. I had to do something. I gotta graduate. I gotta get something. But still, I didn't have all the necessary equipment that I needed to be successful and especially be a mom. So, quickly I fell back into almost the same routine. I was you know um into the street life a little bit so this is how I knew how to make my change so I didn't how to keep a job. I didn't know how to budget. I didn't know how to do any of these things to be able to sustain myself and my child. And then turned around and ended up pregnant again. Max: And then you deal with really a horrible situation where you are part of, um something that occurred where a gentleman lost his life. And as a result of that, you were sentenced to how many years in prison? Candace: Uh, I was sentenced to 18 years active. 16 years I did off of that because I was able to get good time. 89.55555 is what they give you for good time. Max: Okay, and you were how old when you first went in? Candace: Um, 22. Max: Okay, 22, young, and that's another sharp turn in your life, so now you're really isolated from family, and ain't no running, forced to face thoughts, feelings, and emotions… Candace: Mm-HMM. When I went in, I was definitely angry. Dealing with depression, didn't really know how to cope with doing time. Nobody prepared me for that. But! A lot of people say being incarcerated can do two things. Max: Okay. Candace: It can either make you or break you. Bless the same eyes made me. I went in with shattered pieces of a young girl and came out with a beautiful image and portrait of a woman. Candace: It was the women that were inside that I did time with. That had long sentences… Max: That helped you to change? Candace: That poured into me. I say it all the time it's like I was an oil lamp that was yearning for oil at the bottom because my light was dimming out and those women were the oil to go in the bottom of the 3 lamp and before I left they pour so much oil into me it's like a flame that nobody can put out. Um, you might see me shy away for a second, but it's like a flame. And that's the reason why I go so hard for the women that I left behind because they went so hard for me in there. So. Max: Yeah and I don't want that part of the story to get lost because I think that people make judgment that you know if a person who has become incarcerated or gone to prison you're there as a matter of your consequences of your choices and you are less of a person but you know, they still have valuable lessons to teach. They still have something to give, as far as I'm concerned. They still have something to give and they gave to you. Candace: They did. Max: Okay, what do they help you learn about yourself? About life. Candace: My worth. Respecting my temple, my body, always growing my mind, education, being able to say this is not the end of me. In the article, like I stated, going in with a state number and not letting them strip me of a title of a mother, showing me how to navigate being a mom from behind

  2. 10/28/2025

    First Person Charlottesville - Yogaville Survivor

    Charles: Before we get started, a quick content warning. The following story contains mentions of sexual abuse and suicide and could be difficult to listen to.  Maxicelia: Welcome to First Person Cville, the podcast. I’m your host, Maxicelia Robinson. I’m also a co-host of ‘In My Humble Opinion’ from 101 Jamz. Back in 2015, Brianna Patten was struggling with an undiagnosed Bipolar 2 disorder.  Brianna: So most people think of bipolar as rapid mood shifting, but bipolar two is you're depressed most of the time, and then kind of randomly maybe like once or twice a year, like a mania or psychosis would happen. and I was a sophomore in college. I wasn't really enjoying myself. I had switched my major like five times at that point, and attempted suicide. And at the end of that semester, I said I need to take a break from school because it's stressful, I don't know really what I'm doing here. So I worked at Yellowstone National Park for that summer. And while I was there, someone said, there's this place in Virginia, it's kind of weird, but I think you'd like it, it's called Yogaville. And I was like, “oh, I'll look into it.”  Maxicelia: Yogaville is a spiritual community located in Buckingham County. It opened in the 1980s and was the brainchild of Swami Satchidananda — a guru who created a practice called “Integral Yoga.” (He was also famous for giving the opening address at Woodstock.)  At Yogaville, practitioners can take workshops — or join weekend-long retreats — or be trained as Integral Yoga instructors — or even live and work in residence there.  Brianna: And they had a program on their website that was $500 for a month. You learn about yoga philosophy and live a yogic lifestyle and live in the beautiful Blue Ridge Mountains in Virginia. And I said, I can do that for a month. And that's how I ended up there.  Maxicelia: As your story goes, it was great you thought maybe you had found the answer to your mental health needs and maybe a new kind of lease on life so to speak. Brianna: Yeah, that first month was really amazing. I think the routine every day of structured, you wake up in the morning, you meditate, then you do a yoga class, you eat a healthy breakfast, maybe do some service, which could be cleaning or working in the kitchen or working on the farm that they had there. A lot of really smart, people and very friendly. So I was really enjoying myself and was feeling my mood improve. I was not really familiar with Hinduism at all. I had taken a lot of yoga classes and enjoyed the physical aspects, but at Yogaville I had learned a lot about the more complete version, and yoga classes is only one small aspect. And they say that doing the physical postures is to stretch you out so that you can prepare for meditation and kind of seek enlightenment is that. So I was really intrigued by that and had this whole new world opened up to me and was learning a lot.  Maxicelia: Okay at any point during that one month time period, did things seem a little weird to you? Brianna: It felt very kind of old, like the carpet was still from the 70s. Swami Satchidananda actually died in 2002. So I never met Swami Satchitananda personally, but most of elders there knew him while he was there and talk about him like he's alive, his pictures everywhere, they have a wax figure of his body in his tomb there. So I was a little bit weirded out. But I had already paid so I figured, you know, it's just a month, I can do it. And I ended up liking it after only a few days there. I really enjoyed it. Maxicelia: When the month-long program was over, Brianna took a job in Death Valley, California. But it was…just way too hot. So she quit and moved back to Yogaville to start a more intense version of their training.  Brianna says her parents were wary about her living at Yogaville, at first. Especially her mom — because Brianna shaved her head to make holding some yoga postures easier. Brianna: Yeah, she was really sad about that, And my dad was like, oh, I like your hair like that. And, but then after I came back and I was enjoying it more, and they saw that I was happy and enjoying myself, they obviously knew about my suicide attempt, and they were like, you know, if you're happy, and you seem like you're really healthy here and you have a lot of good connections, I think this is good for you.  Maxicelia: So you get back, and shortly thereafter, it sounds like things change for the worst.  Brianna: Yeah, I started hearing more about the negative aspects about Yogaville, how these, I guess more like the ashram politics of different swamis who were, I Guess, almost competing for authority. And it's just a tight-knit community. So everybody kind of knows each other and hearing about drama in that regard, but then also hearing things about how Swami Satchitananda,  just, I heard rumors that he was taking advantage of some of his devotees sexually.  Maxicelia: And ultimately ended up having an experience that could have led to something much worse with one of a guest speakers. So this gentleman approached you and told you that, the goddess, I guess, that was on his necklace, he believed that you were the reincarnated version of that goddess, and wanted you to go back to his room so they could talk to you more about it. Brianna: I mean, when he said that, I was like, that seems probably not true, but you know, there's nothing else to do on a, you know Wednesday or Thursday night in Yogawille. So, you know I might as well go and see what happens. I wasn't expecting what was gonna happen next, but I- There was a lot of just weird, eccentric people in Yogaville. I just thought that was another one of those.  Maxicelia: And then what happens next?  Brianna: Yeah, so he tells me to sit down in a chair in his hotel room. It's called the Lotus Guest House there. And he goes, he said, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. And then he comes out like just naked in a towel. And then he walks behind me and, touches me and pushes his body against my back and then as soon as that happened I just ran out of the room.  Maxicelia: Did he say anything?  Brianna: I think, it's kind of blurry but I think he told me, he was like wait, don't go or something like that and I was like, I think I remember saying sorry. I was sorry, I have to go. But I just, yeah, I just left. Maxicelia: Brianna immediately went to find a friend and told him what happened. But they both decided not to tell anyone else, especially authority figures at Yogaville.  Brianna says that Yogaville had strict policies against being in the rooms of members of the opposite sex. She hadn’t even told the elders about her bipolar diagnosis, out of fear that they wouldn’t accept her — or kick her out. Brianna: And I had seen other people get kicked out for small infractions. Again, it was very political. And I was like, I don't wanna press my luck because I already didn't really have a lot of money. I was only making. Like $70 a month, so I had nowhere to go and I also liked a lot of what was going on there. I liked my friends there. So I wanted to not tell anyone. Maxicelia: But as time went on, I guess others, the discussion comes up one way or another and others share with you similar experiences.  Brianna: Honestly, mine was like, compared to other people's was not bad at all. There's a lot of people still that have had worse experiences. And with, not with guest presenters that I've heard of, but like long-term residents at Yogaville.  Maxicelia: And so you were at Yogaville for, I believe, four years. Is that right?  Brianna: Yeah, about that. I had traveled in and out of those times, but I always went back to Yogaville And then I left right before the pandemic. But still worked for them virtually and still like wanted to believe in the mission and everything.  Maxicelia: So, you have a lot of what seems like red flags. What do you think was still causing you to want to have that connection with them.  Brianna: I think as I experienced so many benefits, especially in the beginning, and I had seen my health change in a positive way, I thought that this mission was important that even if I experienced some bad things and other people may have experienced some bad things, this is so good that it should be shared. And since leaving, over the past couple years, I've been reading a lot of. Literature from cult scholars and talking to other people who had left. And the mission is a big part of why people stay. Like if they get you to believe in this mission that integral yoga can help you get healthier and all this stuff.  Maxicelia: So what was your breaking point, the thing that said, okay, I can't be here anymore, I have to leave.  Brianna: Well, I actually, up until that point, I hadn't had an episode of Mania, and I had this manic episode at the time, and ended up being hospitalized for that, and getting on medication and everything.  Maxicelia: Was that brought on by your experience with the one guy or just in general? Brianna: I think it was cumulative stress that was happening, because now I've realized after understanding this diagnosis more that something that can trigger me going into mania or psychosis is if I'm under a lot of stress. So I work really hard to not be under stress, so that doesn't happen. But I was definitely very stressed out at the time. It was partly because of that experience, but mostly I was finding more about what had happened to children who went to the Yogaville school and how they had been abused. And there's been people who have gone on the record to talk about this abusive experience at the school and how people had covered that up. And I had. I was really trying to investigate at the time. I was sneaking around the office building where I was working, because I had gotten a full-time job there, so I wasn't doing that program anymore. But I was going into all these files and trying to find things. Maxicelia

  3. 05/05/2025

    First Person Charlottesville - Pastor Michael Cheuk

    CL: Welcome to First Person Cville, the podcast. I'm your host, Charles Lewis. I’m also the co-host of In My Humble Opinion from 101 Jamz. Today we are joined by Pastor Michael Cheuck. He’s the author of an essay called, “In Charlottesville's Summer of Hate, a Chinese-American Pastor Found His Place in the Struggle for Civil Rights.”  Pastor Cheuk and his family immigrated to Shreveport, Louisiana from Hong Kong in the early 1970s. He was in elementary school at the time, in a town where hardly anyone looked like him.  MC: And that experience really shaped and formed my desire to really fit in, to assimilate. Having said that, though, the model was white America. I quickly picked up some of the assumptions of like what it means to be a “good American,” how one should speak, how one should act, how one should dress - in the context of Shreveport, right. And so I'll tell you one story. We lived in a neighborhood that was built right after World War Two. And it was a declining neighborhood. There were white folks, there were Black folks, you know, a handful, a couple of Asians, because my uncle and his family lived literally across the street, right. We were eating dinner and I heard a knock on the door. So I kind of made our way up to the front and kind of peeked out the window. And I saw this Black man. I didn't know who he was. And I looked a little bit further down and there was kind of a car and maybe the hood was up, you know. And I froze. All four of us just went quiet as a mouse. And we just did not respond. And then after a while, that person went across the street and knocked on the door and one of our Black neighbors opened the door. And a couple of minutes later, you know, they were trying to start his car.  CL: Right, right.  MC: And I came to the realization that, my goodness, I was probably... 10 or 12? I hadn't been in the States for that long. But there was this assumption that, “Oh, strange Black men are dangerous.” And somehow that message that was never explicitly told to us got embedded into my psyche.  CL: So where do you think that that internalization came from? And what part do you think that experiences like that play into your understanding of race relations now? MC: That's a very good question. because and i have to confess, right it was a long time ago, so there wasn't like a moment. or… But I do believe that it was kind of like in the air that I breathed. I went to First Baptist Shreveport, and that is a church that was quite affluent. There were no Black people. And so I think part of it was my own insecurity. A part of it was, you know, like wanting to kind of attain that level of respectability. And I think on the flip side of that then is like, “Well, maybe I either should not really relate to or have an openness to kind of have a relationship to some of the kids who are Black in my own street.” And those are some of the things that I think culturally, looking back, I can see how my path kind of diverged. And I took the path of, “Let's try and assimilate myself into the white kind of standard.” CL: Fast forward to 2015 and Pastor Cheuk was living and working in Charlottesville. He got a call from another pastor in town who wanted to bridge the he saw gaps between religious congregations — gaps in diversity and inclusion that Pastor Cheuk had grown up with.   MC: The Charlottesville Clergy Collective came together after the shooting at Mother Emanuel. Pastor Alvin Edwards, pastor of Mount Zion First African Baptist Church here in town — former mayor and school board chair — he asked himself the question, “If something like that, that happened at Mother Emanuel, were to happen at my church, what would I do and who would I call?” He started calling the pastors that he knew for a breakfast to come, and he asked that question. When he asked it, we looked around each other and then Alvin dropped the bomb, the mic, whatever, and said, “I would call none of you because I don't really know you. So: what do you think about us coming together regularly, monthly, to have conversations, to build relationships? So that at the very least we get to know one another and we learn to trust each other more. So that if and when, God forbid, something awful happens, we might have, we can support one another.” So that was in 2015, right? And then Trump got elected in 2016, and we began to like, “Oh, you know, there's just certain things that we need to do to be more public instead of just getting together for breakfast and talk.” And then we had the beginning of 2017. There was so much more activity and interest from other faith groups and other faith leaders saying, “Hey, this Unite the Right thing, right, or this KKK coming is not good. What are we going to do about it? What are you all thinking about doing?”  CL: Now you stated in your writing that that initially um you were not going to respond to the Unite the Right rally.  MC: Yeah! CL: why did you decide to respond the way that you did or that the collective decided to? MC: A big part of it was simply to hear about um both from our Black brothers and sisters and others, to say like, “No, this is, we cannot sit this one out. We cannot.” And so I had to lean into my discomfort. And so, yeah, maybe there's a little bit of peer pressure, just to be honest, right? But I think there are times when peer pressure can be good to know that like I don't have to do this all by myself, that there are others who are also doing it with me. And here, in this particular part of it, I really appreciated both in the Collective and in congregate to say, “Look, There is a whole menu of items or a menu of actions that you can take. We don't all have to do the same thing. As a matter of fact, we can't and we shouldn't do all the same things.” And so that gave me a vision of what invited me to ask of myself: what am I good at? How can I contribute in a way that is based on my gifts and my strengths? And let's just be very clear. I was in a church building. I was not out of the streets for hours on end. And yet even in the small corner of where I was, there's so many people that I did not know whose beliefs I did not share. And yet we all came together and say, “This moment is important and we're not going to stay at home. We're going to do our part.” And so kind of spiritually speaking, I think it's really the first time in my life that I experienced solidarity in such an embodied and concrete way. And I'm grateful for that. CL: So as your understanding has changed over the years, like whose fight, like, do you think that it is for for racial equality? Is it the Christian's place? Is it the politician's place? Or is it the fight, is it still just the fight of minorities in this country? MC: Well, it's all of our jobs. We have our own unique role in it. And like for somebody like me, I have to, like in my essay, acknowledge that even though I literally and my ancestors were literally not in the United States, right? For me to be a part of this job, this work, is this also once again acknowledging that in the short time that my family immigrated here, the short time that I was in the States, I quickly metabolized and assumed many of the assumptions and biases of this society. And then it came to the point where I was beginning to understand that even as I was feeling like this is a sanctuary, it implied also included the exclusion of others, right? And so, I want to continue to live a life of greater authenticity and wholeness. I can acknowledge that I am embedded in a society, in a system that has these assumptions about the worth, inherent worth of people based on how much melanin, how much pigment they have on their skin, right?  CL: Right.  MC: And so having clarity about that and then just say, “What is my now responsibility to live in such a way to begin to address that?” First in my own life and also in the lives of others. CL: The First Person Charlottesville essay and entitled In Charlottesville's Summer of Hate, a Chinese-American pastor found his place in the struggle for civil rights by Pastor Michael Chuck can be found at cvilleInclusiveMedia.com. We want to hear your story and tell the story of our community together. Share your perspective with First Person Cville at cvilleInclusiveMedia.com slash projects. The First Person Cville podcast is a production of Charlottesville Inclusive Media. It's hosted by me, Charles Lewis, and the In My Humble Opinion talk show. Like what you hear? Subscribe and follow us at imhotalkshow.org. This episode of First Person Cville was produced by Kelly Jones. Music for this episode came from Epidemic Sound. Theme music is from God Vibes by Miguel and Morris, produced by NYC Bangers.Episode Notes Notes go here Find out more at https://in-my-humble-opinion.pinecast.co This podcast is powered by Pinecast.

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In My Humble Opinion talk show is hosted by Charles Lewis, Maxicelia Robinson, and Razor, along with special guests.