Making Sense of Martech

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Unfiltered takes on the biggest shifts in marketing technology. We spotlight what matters, who's leading (or lagging), and what's next. In Martech, clarity is power — and we're here to deliver it.

  1. 1d ago ·  Video

    What the Buck? Marketing Wins Each Season with the Bucks' Justin Price

    Justin Price is the senior manager of multichannel marketing at the Milwaukee Bucks. He built the team's SMS program from scratch inside a legacy Marketo stack. The welcome journey delivers 104x ROI and a 38% conversion rate. Checkout abandonment runs 233x. Subscriber growth hit 455%. The team behind it is five people across five brands. This conversation covers how Attentive connects to Marketo through third-party middleware, why identity resolution is the next frontier, and what actually moved the unsubscribe rate in a 32-50 year. It wasn't the record. It was the trade-rumor cycle. Sports marketing runs on a level of seasonality few marketers manage. A rumor breaks, your list reacts, and you had no hand in the news. Justin explains how that shapes send strategy, why RCS is still on the bench, and why he'd start with an imperfect solution rather than wait for the perfect stack. Timestamps 02:30 — Keep one channel: why Justin picks email over SMS 06:07 — The rumor mill moves the unsubscribe rate 07:52 — Hottest take: AI will not replace human capital as fast as people think 15:20 — Identity resolution is the next frontier 20:47 — Concierge reps and the fans who just want to be heard 22:59 — RCS is still on the bench 29:43 — Eight years in the NBA: stay flexible, let fandom fuel the work 35:49 — Best solution beats perfect solution 37:31 — All-in-one versus best-of-breed 41:48 — Set it and forget it: the in-season automation playbook Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    What the Buck? Marketing Wins Each Season with the Bucks' Justin Price
  2. Sep 30 ·  Video

    What Client-Side Wishes Agencies Knew with Courtney Tierney

    Courtney Tierney spent years on the agency side telling brands what their CRM strategy should be. Now she's the one whose name is on the result. As director of CRM and customer engagement at Papa John's, she owns how the brand communicates with 42 million loyalty members across email, push notifications, SMS, and in-app channels. The gap between advising and owning is real, and this conversation gets into exactly where it shows. Before Papa John's, Courtney was the senior director of account planning and research at Digital Additive, a Salesforce Marketing Cloud agency, where she worked with brands such as Grammarly and WeWork. She also spent time in-house at IHG. She's crossed the agency-to-client line more than once, which makes her perspective on what each side gets wrong about the other harder to dismiss than most. This episode covers QSR category assumptions that fall apart in a pitch room, why deliverability is insurance, not overhead, how franchise models create competing contact strategies in the same inbox, and why the conventional wisdom to stay in your lane, agency or client side, is worth ignoring entirely. Timestamps 03:55 — Agency energy vs. in-house ownership 05:10 — QSR pizza is not QSR 09:10 — Certifications, genuine expertise or the game 12:53 — Launch before your reporting is ready, and you're guessing 17:50 — Generalist agencies vs. CRM specialists 25:37 — Deliverability jail, a real story 30:17 — Cross-channel frequency and the national versus local fight 38:35 — Geo-targeting competitors at the zip code level 47:24 — Ignore the stay-in-your-lane advice Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    What Client-Side Wishes Agencies Knew with Courtney Tierney
  3. Sep 23 ·  Video

    Consolidate vs. Best-of-Breed with Mindbody's Vinicius Rodrigues

    "It shouldn't be consolidated or best-of-breed. I think it could be consolidated and best-of-breed." — Vinicius Vinicius Rodrigues has spent his career arguing that fragmentation is a legitimate strategy, not a failure to consolidate. He also cut six figures in martech spend through consolidation. As head of marketing technology and operations at Mindbody, now part of Playlist, he manages the global martech stack across North America, EMEA, and APAC, three regions where almost nothing about how customers respond to automation is the same. Before Mindbody, at Lojas Renner in Brazil, he ran a WhatsApp commerce pilot that generated 30x ROI and identified $20 million in revenue potential, in a market most US martech leaders have never touched. At Mindbody, he built the company's first marketing AI agent from scratch. This episode is a pressure test of his own framework. If best-of-breed is always contextual, at what point does context become a convenient explanation for whatever decision you already made? Timestamps 00:01 — Principled fragmentation or consolidation with better branding 04:00 — Agentic AI, the new overhyped buzzword 05:30 — WhatsApp in the US: hopeful but skeptical 12:00 — Unlimited budget, same philosophy 17:36 — Back-testing AI before trusting it with pipeline 19:45 — AI as safety net, not gatekeeper 24:30 — Localize even your research: G2 vs. Trustpilot 29:00 — The WhatsApp fashion stylist, before "agentic" was a word 37:00 — Platform roadmaps favor the biggest market 44:05 — Bilingual as a dual market lens Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    Consolidate vs. Best-of-Breed with Mindbody's Vinicius Rodrigues
  4. Sep 16 ·  Video

    The Dumb Pipe with Peter Oleson (Part 2)

    "We don't want to be the dumb pipe. We want to be the brain for your marketing. And I'm sorry, everyone can't be the brain. You can't have five brains." — Peter Peter Oleson is back, and the guardrails are off. Part 2 picks up where the dumb pipe debate left off and delves into the operational and economic realities that a composable stack actually demands of vendors, marketers, and the AI agents everyone's betting on. The thesis gets pressure-tested from every angle: vendor survival, job market implications, and whether the economics of AI decisioning even hold up yet. This episode covers the MAP convergence already underway, why "warehouse native" is often a marketing claim rather than a technical reality, and what questions buyers should actually ask vendors instead of accepting alphabet soup at face value. If you missed part one, start there → Timestamps 00:45 — Sustainable growth vs. big contracts 03:30 — 90% piloting, 23% actually shipping 04:48 — The highest and best use of your time 06:15 — Why all AI emails look the same 12:40 — The AI budget crack analogy 16:45 — The race to the middle is real 21:55 — Frontline gets it, leadership doesn't 26:03 — No one is truly adapting yet 27:30 — Stop asking if they're composable 33:21 — Marketers must reclaim their seat at the table Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    The Dumb Pipe with Peter Oleson (Part 2)
  5. Sep 9 ·  Video

    The Dumb Pipe with Peter Oleson (Part 1)

    "By definition, most marketing automation platforms are creating silos, not breaking them down. They're in the business of creating copies of data." — Peter Peter Oleson spent years inside the machine. Salesforce Marketing Cloud architect at Merkle, then Iterable, running live demos of the exact journey builders he now argues are the wrong model. Today, he's making the case that marketing automation platforms should stop trying to be the brain and start being a better pipe.  That is a specific, testable claim, and Jacqueline holds it to the fire – oh, and this is just Part 1. Part 2 next week. The central bet is worth stating plainly: Marketing Automation Platforms (MAPs) should stop trying to understand the customer and instead become the system that reliably executes a decision made elsewhere. If Peter is right, an entire category of enterprise software loses its core value proposition. If he is wrong, he is selling a solution that requires a seven-figure engineering headcount that never appears on any vendor invoice. This episode covers accountability in the age of AI agents, the real cost structures of composable versus bundled platforms, why "breaking down data silos" has always been more of a sales pitch than an architectural reality, and which move by a modern MAP would fundamentally reshape the competitive landscape. Timestamps 03:12 — The Sendomatic 5000: marketing automation's humble beginnings 11:40 — Vote with your feet: why talk is cheap in martech 13:00 — Before AI agents, humans were already getting it wrong 15:19 — You can't abdicate accountability to AI agents 21:45 — Composable martech finally unites lifecycle and performance teams 25:14 — Data portability isn't a tax. It's an investment with dividends 37:50 — Who becomes the first modern "dumb pipe"? 41:40 — Unify the data, personalize the moment: why every martech pitch sounds the same 49:04 — When the data silo is your only lifeline Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    The Dumb Pipe with Peter Oleson (Part 1)
  6. Sep 2 ·  Video

    Inside the RCS Approval Black Box with Stephanie Griffith

    Stephanie Griffith has experience in retention and lifecycle marketing across brand, agency, and platform roles, making her a rare, credible voice on RCS business messaging. In this episode, she sits at the center of a real contradiction: selling brands on a channel that runs 15-30% CTR, with standout campaigns topping 50, while those same brands sit in an 8-to-16-week carrier-approval queue with no clear timeline on the other side. This is an honest breakdown of what the RCS approval process actually requires, where brands consistently blow it, and why the wait is still worth it.  Stephanie also argues that SMS optimization and RCS prep are not competing priorities. They run in parallel, and the brands treating them that way will hit the ground running when the channel opens up. Timestamps 01:35 — From CheetahMail to Klaviyo: Fourteen years, one career arc, told through the tools she's used. 01:50 — Kill Email, Make Room for Better: Email hasn't evolved in 20+ years, and it's built on bad consent. Time's up. 03:58 — SaaS Shilling Has No Credibility: Calling out influencers who evangelize whatever platform pays them, no receipts required. 05:15 — Three Hottest Takes in Marketing: It depends is the only honest best practice. Send fewer, better messages. 06:10 — Selling Patience to a Q4 Brand: The RCS wait isn't downtime; it's the exact moment for SMS optimization. 34:34 — RCS: The Great Equalizer: The only channel that satisfies marketers and consumers at once, no download required. 35:20 — Consumers Are Already Here: Brands aren't introducing RCS. They're catching up to what people already use daily. 42:00 — Even Google Isn't Done Building: Adopting RCS now doesn't put brands behind. It puts them right where the platform is. Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    Inside the RCS Approval Black Box with Stephanie Griffith
  7. Aug 26 ·  Video

    How Babylist Gained 600 Hours Back with Elizabeth Martin

    "There is a version of AI adoption where efficiency just becomes a euphemism for doing more with less: you automate 30% of somebody's work, immediately fill that capacity with more work, and just move on." — Elizabeth Elizabeth Martin's team at Babylist cut newsletter production time from 2 hours to 15 minutes, freeing up 600 hours a year, using Claude, an Iterable MCP, and a Notion-based copy pipeline. Her AI-lifecycle-marketing system has been called one of the most advanced MCP implementations among her ESP's clients, built in three months, with every failure documented along the way. This isn't a theoretical AI conversation. Elizabeth walks through QA failures, an API key gap caught live on air, and what "30% more output" really costs a team, inside a company expanding into new verticals while the U.S. birth rate hits a generational low. Timestamps 03:00 — The Role-Blurring Tax: The same AI capability that grants independence also creates friction when a team is expected to be experts in everything; the cognitive and labor load quietly expands alongside the power. 07:10 — Independence as the Real AI Dividend: Beyond workflow automation, Claude gave Elizabeth's team direct access to their data layer and API triggers, blurring the line between engineering and lifecycle marketing. 12:11 — Hiring While Using AI: Babylist is growing headcount, not cutting it. AI as a tool to do more with more, not to replace workers. 16:30 — Security, HIPAA, and the Line You Don't Cross: How Babylist keeps registry data and HIPAA-protected health data cleanly separated across systems. 22:11 — What the MCP Still Can't Do: Journey tile QA, audience field definitions, and multivariate notification tests are the real gaps behind the "most advanced" headline. 23:30 — The Moat Is the People: Asked whether the competitive advantage is the tool or something else, Elizabeth's answer is unambiguous: it's the people. Technology augments the engine, but the engine is human. 25:45 — The Pod Model and the Seat at the Table: Embedding lifecycle marketers directly into product team standups changed what the function owns, driving end-to-end strategy through production rather than being pulled in at the end to send a triggered email. 30:05 — Anyone Can Create an MCP: A real governance risk hiding inside MCP democratization: the line between empowerment and security exposure is thinner than most teams realize and requires active, ongoing conversation with an AI enablement team. 33:22 — Efficiency as Euphemism Warning: Why AI efficiency can quietly become code for doing more with less and the better bet marketing leaders should make instead. 35:55 — Slow Down to Speed Up: Real AI automation requires upfront investment in documentation and process clarity. If you want to automate a year from now, start writing everything down today. 45:36 — Fastest AI Wins Are in Verification, Not Creation: Babylist cut newsletter production from 12 hours to 15 minutes mostly by automating quality assurance, reframing where teams should look first when adopting AI. Sponsor Brought to you by Hightouch, the leading composable CDP and decisioning platform trusted by brands like Domino's, Chime, and Aritzia. 90% of customers have a real use case live within their first week, delivering world-class personalization at scale. Learn more at hightouch.com/msom. Connect & Subscribe Subscribe to Making Sense of Martech wherever you get your podcasts. Follow us on TikTok, LinkedIn, and don't forget to like and subscribe on YouTube.

    How Babylist Gained 600 Hours Back with Elizabeth Martin

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Unfiltered takes on the biggest shifts in marketing technology. We spotlight what matters, who's leading (or lagging), and what's next. In Martech, clarity is power — and we're here to deliver it.

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