Let us know what you think of the show and what we can do better! America can deploy forces anywhere, destroy targets, and win fights with stunning speed. The question that haunts me, and drives this conversation, is what happens next. If we cannot secure the peace, rebuild institutions, and earn the trust of the local population, what does “winning” even mean? I sit down with Eric Hummel, a former enlisted Navy submariner and retired Air Force lieutenant colonel, an Iraq and Afghanistan veteran, and the author of *The Losing Game: How to Lose a War and Fail Veterans*. Eric has lived the messy middle of war: reconstruction funding, congressional travel, NATO exposure, and on-the-ground stability operations as a provincial reconstruction team commander in Afghanistan’s Panjshir Province. He lays out the five phases of warfare, explains why the US military is trained to “clear” but rarely prepared to “hold, build, and transition,” and connects the dots between mission creep, career incentives, and the kind of fake progress reporting highlighted by the Afghanistan Papers. We also look at what successful nation building and post-conflict reconstruction can teach us, from America’s own Reconstruction to the Marshall Plan, Japan, and South Korea, and why those efforts required strategy, competence, and sustained commitment. Eric shares a hard lesson from Panjshir: stopping road contracts until Afghans were compensated for seized land, because legitimacy and rule of law are not optional in counterinsurgency. We close with a direct challenge to senior military and civilian leaders to take responsibility in public, and to treat veterans with the truth they deserve. Subscribe for more long-form conversations, share this with a friend who thinks about national security, and leave a review so more people find the show. Stories of Service presents guests’ stories and opinions in their own words, reflecting their personal experiences and perspectives. While shared respectfully and authentically, the podcast does not independently verify all statements. Views expressed are those of the guests and do not necessarily reflect the host, producers, government agencies, or podcast affiliates. Support the show Visit my website: https://thehello.llc/THERESACARPENTER Read my writings on my blog: https://www.theresatapestries.com/ Listen to other episodes on my podcast: https://storiesofservice.buzzsprout.com Watch episodes of my podcast: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheresaCarpenter76