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Jed Wallace brings you the people who are at the heart of the charter school movement. Listen to Jed chat with experienced school leaders, policymakers, funders, parents, and community members about the future of public education and charter schools. Episodes also available as video on YouTube.

5d ago

Forever Young: Reinvention, Elders, and the Next Generation – CharterFolk Chat with Caprice Young

Dr. Caprice Young joins Jed Wallace for a conversation about what nearly three decades in charter schools looks like from the vantage point of someone who has reinvented herself again and again — and what she thinks the movement itself now has to reinvent. Along the way: why the flexibility that made chartering worth doing has migrated almost entirely into California's non-classroom-based law, what Howard Fuller's Thanksgiving message means for a generation that takes charter schools for granted, the four waves of charter leadership Caprice has watched arrive, why successful school models have to keep evolving, the funding cliff landing in '25-'26 and '26-'27, an LA elementary school built for twelve hundred kids that now serves two hundred fifty, and what a curiosity-driven middle school might look like five years from now. In this episode: Why every year of existence has meant a little less flexibility, and why the next charter Caprice would write is non-classroom-based — the one corner of California law where flexibility still livesSchools getting paid for how much work a kid does rather than how many minutes a kid's butt is in the seat — and what COVID proved about fitting the school to the kid instead of the kid to the schoolLosing our edge: The Accelerated School's early phonics advantage, and why 47% proficiency is not a victoryJed on a period of malaise in education — NAEP scores, "education depression," and the hundred-thousand-kids-a-year question markDeclining enrollment, $1,000 in digital marketing per new enrollment, and how that changes a school's financial modelHoward Fuller's Thanksgiving message — why newcomers won't naturally get it, and why the stories have to be told againYvonne Chan and Don Shalvey — and the car rides between Oakland and Stockton where a generation got its adviceFour waves of charter leadership: district mavericks, community organizers, the Teach for America generation, and now charter alumni founding their own schoolsAI, the use of time, and middle schools that could be curiosity-driven instead of compliance-drivenWhy leaders in their 50s and 60s are coming back — and why successful school models have to keep evolvingThe COVID punchbowl pulled away: '25-'26 as an excruciating year, '26-'27 as when the deep cuts land, and an LA elementary built for twelve hundred kids now serving two hundred fiftyHoward Fuller on the power to exit — and why there's less of it now, not moreTwo reasons for hope and why a cancer survivor counts every moment as a blessing Show Notes & Resources: "The Price You Pay to Make Social Change" — A Thanksgiving CharterFolk Chat with Howard Fuller"Exit, Voice, and Loyalty" by Albert O. Hirschman — the book Howard Fuller recommends on the power to exitNavigator SchoolsCalifornia Charter Schools Association (CCSA)Learn4LifeMagnolia Public SchoolsICEF Public SchoolsThe Accelerated SchoolThe Science Academy STEM Magnet (North Hollywood)Highlands Community Charter and Technical SchoolsThe Education Daly, by Tim Daly Guest: Dr. Caprice Young — former CEO, Navigator Schools; founding CEO, California Charter Schools Association; former President, Los Angeles Unified School District Board of Education Host: Jed Wallace (CharterFolk) Watch the full video on YouTube. CharterFolk Chat is produced by CharterFolk.
Apr 30

Broy: Straight Up, No Chaser

Andrew Broy of the Illinois Network of Charter Schools (INCS) joins Jed Wallace for a one-on-one conversation about how Chicago's charter movement has held its ground against CTU, what the Indianapolis reform model means for the rest of the country, and why state associations have to evolve faster than they've ever evolved before. Along the way: why CTU isn't the enemy (low expectations are), the Brandon Johnson administration's repeal of the SQRP school rating system, what Indianapolis is actually doing that nobody else is, the math that turned $4 million of political spending into $300 million of recurring operational funding, what 40 Chicago high schools with fewer than 200 students says about urban governance, the three preconditions Andrew lays out for blue-state-blue-city governance reform, and Andrew's closing John Lewis story about what real advocacy looks like. In this episode: Andrew's path from Teach for America in North Carolina to civil rights litigation in Atlanta to charter school advocacy in IllinoisWhat changed his mind on charter schools — the Drew Charter School moment in East AtlantaComing home to Chicago in 2010 and building the PAC, C4, and IEC infrastructure that made INCS effectiveWhy CTU isn't the enemy — and why the real enemy is the persistent belief that low-income students of color can't achieve at high levelsWhat the Brandon Johnson administration's repeal of SQRP cost Chicago parentsThe Indianapolis innovation-schools model — and the three preconditions that have to be in place for blue-state takeovers to workWhy the "50% market share is a tipping point" theory of charter expansion didn't hold upReturning to first principles: charters as engines of innovation, not just alternatives40 Chicago high schools with fewer than 200 students — and the structural decisions nobody wants to makeHow the Covid funding surge may accelerate urban district collapseWhy state and city advocacy are inseparable — and what California members are signaling with an $11/kid dues increaseThe economics of dues: how $3K x 60K students = $180M in new operational moneyThe 120x play: turning $4M of political spending into $300M of recurring operational funding in perpetuityWhy state associations should run the federal Charter School Program (CSP) grant — and how INCS deployed its $25M growth grantGrowth as a moral imperative — and the Karen Lewis debateShifting from foundation funding to individual donor bases — and INCS's statewide alternative authorizer goalHow to critique the traditional system without crossing into unfair attack — storytelling, structural advantage, and the $140M vs. $30M high schoolAndrew's closing John Lewis narrative on what real advocacy looks like Show Notes & Resources: Illinois Network of Charter Schools (INCS)National Alliance for Public Charter SchoolsDrew Charter School (East Atlanta)Teach for AmericaCharter School Program (CSP) — U.S. Department of EducationIndianapolis Public Schools Innovation Network Guest: Andrew Broy — President, Illinois Network of Charter Schools (INCS) Host: Jed Wallace (CharterFolk) Watch the full video on YouTube. CharterFolk Chat is produced by CharterFolk.
Mar 5

The CharterNess That is Coming to Public Education -- A CharterFolk Chat with Shannon Hodge

What does it take to lead one of the nation’s most visible and influential charter school networks? In this episode of CharterFolk Chat, Jed Wallace sits down with Shannon Hodge, the new CEO of KIPP DC Public Schools, just one month into her new role. Shannon’s journey is a masterclass in preparation and purpose—from her early days as a guidance counselor in Indiana during the rollout of No Child Left Behind, to her work as an attorney at Hogan Lovells, to founding Kingsman Academy for DC’s most vulnerable students, and later uniting the city’s charter sector as the founding executive director of the DC Charter School Alliance. Shannon offers a candid look at the realities of leadership, discussing the intentional, multi-year succession plan that prepared her to follow in the footsteps of legends like Susan Scheffler and Allison Fansler. She shares her strategy for leading in the "fishbowl" of KIPP DC, cutting through the noise to focus on the signals that matter most for students and families. The conversation also explores the future of "charterness," the vital importance of telling the multi-layered history of public education, and how to effectively engage newcomers in the fundamental mission of the charter school movement. For anyone interested in leadership, succession, and the future of public education, this is an inspiring and deeply insightful discussion.
Feb 6

No Baloney: Normal Street is in Store for Great Change (with Alan Bersin)

Jed Wallace sits down with Alan Bersin, former Superintendent of San Diego Unified School District, for a candid conversation about education reform—past lessons, present challenges, and future possibilities. Recorded live at Jimmy Carter's Mexican restaurant in San Diego, this discussion offers rare insights from one of the most influential and controversial education leaders of the past 25 years. Alan reflects on his tenure leading San Diego Unified from 1998 to 2005, when he assembled an extraordinary team of "intellectual athletes" from non-traditional backgrounds to implement the Blueprint for Student Success. He shares hard-won lessons about why reforms succeeded instructionally but couldn't be sustained politically, and what that means for today's education reform movement. The conversation tackles difficult questions the charter movement must confront: Why has growth stalled at 30-50% in many cities? How can the movement address accountability concerns more rigorously? What structural changes—like separating district operations from authorizing—could enable lasting reform? And how do leaders find the courage to withstand intense political opposition? Alan and Jed explore emerging models in Indianapolis and Camden, the need for a "Seneca Convention moment" to reimagine public education, and how massive technological and economic disruptions create both opportunities and urgency for transformational change. Alan's closing message is both sobering and hopeful: maintain your integrity, maintain your confidence, and recognize that change never comes easy and always takes longer—but Normal Street is in store for great change. This episode is essential listening for education leaders, charter school advocates, policymakers, and anyone committed to building a public education system that truly serves all children. Guest: Alan Bersin, former Superintendent of San Diego Unified School District (1998-2005) and California Secretary of Education (2005-2007) Host: Jed Wallace, CharterFolk
Jan 16

New Orleans: The Charter North Star We Won’t Claim

Twenty years after Katrina, New Orleans has zero failing schools and a B district rating. So why do charter advocates lead with "We're not going toward New Orleans"? Jed Wallace talks with Dana Peterson, Jerel Bryant, and Caroline Roemer about the city's remarkable transformation, the governance framework that made it possible, and why the charter movement won't claim its greatest success story. **In This Episode:** • From 45% of Louisiana's failing schools to zero • The "apostles creed" of New Orleans education reform • Why governance matters more than we admit • The courage gap in the charter movement • What Indianapolis and other cities are learning **Guests:** Dana Peterson, Jerel Bryant, and Caroline Roemer—three leaders who've been on the ground in New Orleans for nearly two decades. --- **CharterFolk** brings you honest conversations about charter schools, education reform, and the people fighting for better outcomes for kids. Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.
11/19/2025

Thankfulness, Struggle, and Why We Can't Take Charter Schools for Granted - CharterFolk Chat with Howard Fuller

"No public policy is permanent." With those five words, education reform pioneer Dr. Howard Fuller delivers a wake-up call to the charter school movement in this powerful Thanksgiving week conversation with host Jed Wallace. Drawing a stark parallel to the overturning of Roe v. Wade, Fuller warns that charter school laws—despite decades of progress—could be eliminated through political change alone. But this isn't a message of despair. It's a call to action rooted in thankfulness, self-criticism, and an unflinching commitment to purpose over institutional arrangements. Fuller, the former superintendent of Milwaukee Public Schools and a lifelong advocate for educational choice, brings his characteristic blend of intellectual rigor and moral clarity to urgent questions facing the movement today: Have we lost the balance between freedom and accountability? In trying to prove charter schools are "public," did we adopt the very accountability measures we sought to escape? Are we taking for granted the hard-won victories of pioneers like Annette Polly Williams? And most critically: What price are we willing to pay to continue the struggle? The conversation moves from policy to philosophy, from Milwaukee's funding battles to the lessons of Black abolitionists, from Greek tragedy to Frederick Douglass's timeless truth: "Without struggle, no progress." Fuller doesn't shy away from the personal toll of advocacy, reflecting on Brandon Brown's experience in Indianapolis and asking each listener to confront an uncomfortable question: If you decide to wage struggle for social change, what price are you willing to pay? Balance? Comfort? Security? There's no formula for the answer, but there is a requirement for honesty. Yet amid the challenges, Fuller offers a vision grounded in history and hope. He argues that studying the past—from Du Bois's "Black Reconstruction" to the forgotten role of Black abolitionists in financing John Brown's raid—isn't about relics. It's about understanding today through a broader prism, about making history alive in service of the present. This is Fuller at his best: challenging, inspiring, and utterly committed to the belief that public education can be delivered through multiple systems, that parents deserve choice, and that educators deserve the freedom to create schools rooted in community self-determination. Released during Thanksgiving week—exactly when conventional wisdom says not to release a podcast—this conversation embodies Fuller's own philosophy: be thankful for what we have, but never stop working to make it better. Because we're still alive. And because the struggle continues. EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS: • Why charter school laws could be eliminated (and what that means for the movement) • The lost balance between freedom and accountability in charter schools • Milwaukee's 21st century educational ecosystem built on 20th century rules • The personal price of advocacy and what it demands from leaders • Why studying history matters for today's educational battles • The role of Black abolitionists in American history—and why it's been forgotten • Frantz Fanon's challenge: every generation must discover its mission and either fulfill it or betray it ABOUT DR. HOWARD FULLER: Dr. Howard Fuller is a distinguished professor of education and founder of the Institute for the Transformation of Learning at Marquette University. As former superintendent of Milwaukee Public Schools and a lifelong advocate for educational choice and social justice, he has spent decades fighting for parent empowerment and community self-determination in education. His book "No Struggle, No Progress" captures his philosophy of educational reform and social change. RESOURCES MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: • "Wretched of the Earth" by Frantz Fanon • "Force and Freedom" by Kellie Jones • "Black Reconstruction" by W.E.B. Du Bois • "Educational Blacks in the South, 1867 to 1935" by Jim Anderson • Ted Kolderie's work on chartering and institutional frameworks • Brandon Brown's previous Charterfolk Chat episode --- Charterfolk Chat brings you in-depth conversations with education leaders, reformers, and advocates who are working to transform American education. Hosted by Jed Wallace. Subscribe now so you never miss an episode.
09/24/2025

The Courageous Charter School Advocate - CharterFolk Chat with Brandon Brown

MIND Trust CEO Brandon Brown shares the untold story behind Indiana's historic 2025 legislative session that closed a $7,900 per-student funding gap for charter school students. From facing down protesters to being told he couldn't safely enter the State House, Brandon reveals what courage in education advocacy really looks like. A powerful conversation about achieving unprecedented policy wins while serving the 68% of Black, 65% of low-income, and 60% of Latino students who attend Indianapolis charter schools. Takeaways: The recent legislative session in Indiana was historic, achieving significant progress in funding equity for charter school students. Brandon Brown emphasized the importance of courage in advocacy, especially during challenging political climates. There is a need for clarity in messaging around charter schools, focusing on substance over superficial communication strategies. The Mind Trust's efforts demonstrate the power of coalition building in advancing educational reforms effectively over time. Courageous leadership has been pivotal in transforming public education, as evidenced by the successes achieved in Indianapolis. The political landscape is evolving, providing an opportunity for charter schools to align with Democratic values and gain broader support.
08/08/2025

Why Charter Schools Are Getting Their Swagger Back - CharterFolk Chat with Chris Barbic

From Frustrated Teacher to Hall of Fame: Chris Barbic on Building Yes Prep, Leading Tennessee's Turnaround District, and Why Charter Schools Are Getting Their Swagger Back Charter School Hall of Fame inductee Chris Barbic joins host Jed for a candid conversation about his journey from a frustrated Teach for America teacher to one of the most influential leaders in charter education. Chris opens up about the magical early days of founding YES Prep in Houston, where the team worked grueling hours but formed unbreakable bonds while serving kids. He shares honest reflections on his time leading Tennessee's Achievement School District, including the political challenges and the health wake-up call that changed his approach to leadership. Now at City Fund, Chris is focused on supporting the next generation of education leaders. He explains why he believes the charter school movement is emerging from the "dark fog" of recent years and regaining its confidence—what he calls getting its "swagger" back. In This Episode: • The origin story behind Yes Prep and those intense founding years • Why Chris had a heart attack at 44 and what it taught him about sustainable leadership • The difference between being a "director" versus an "executive producer" in education • How the charter sector is bouncing back stronger post-COVID • The importance of maintaining humor and perspective in high-pressure work • Chris's advice for emerging leaders in education About Chris Barbic: Chris Barbic is a Charter School Hall of Fame inductee and Partner at City Fund. He previously founded and led Yes Prep Public Schools in Houston and served as Superintendent of Tennessee's Achievement School District. He currently serves on multiple boards including Yes Prep and the Charter School Founders Library. About CharterFolk Chat: Authentic conversations with the leaders shaping public education. Jed explores the stories, strategies, and insights of charter school innovators working to expand educational opportunities for all students. Subscribe to CharterFolk Chat wherever you listen to podcasts, and visit CharterFolk.org for more education leadership content.

Jed Wallace brings you the people who are at the heart of the charter school movement. Listen to Jed chat with experienced school leaders, policymakers, funders, parents, and community members about the future of public education and charter schools. Episodes also available as video on YouTube.

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