The first person to say “against the grain” was lying. Not figuratively. He was coaching other people to lie, and the phrase was the lie. On this episode of Appraise The Phrase, Mario and Twenty are joined by Kayla, founder of Kinara Bookstore in Tulsa, to unveil the origin, confirm the meaning, and assess the value of “go against the grain.” It debuts in Shakespeare's Coriolanus around 1607, in the mouth of Sicinius — a tribune coaching Roman citizens to claim they'd been pressured into their vote, and that speaking up went against the grain. They were doing exactly what authority wanted. The first recorded figurative use of the phrase describes someone going with the grain. Mario's name for it is inverted debut. And the carpentry story everyone repeats? Every source on earth says this comes from woodworking. Gary Martin appears to be the only person who actually checked, and none of the early citations reference wood at all — the carpentry explanation only shows up after Shakespeare. It's not what you know. It's what you can prove. Also: why the play itself is about grain, how a phrase gets rationalized backwards, what clickbait did to writing, and Kayla on opening a bookstore in the gap left when Tulsa's only Black bookstore closed. Value is in the eye of the appraiser. 0:00 Gladiator, Holograms, And What You Can Prove0:51 The ATP Intro Theme2:30 Introducing Our Guest3:44 Kayla On Founding Kinara Bookstore In Tulsa7:17 Who Decides What The Rules Are?15:11 Confirm The Meaning: Merriam-Webster18:11 Twenty Would Have Written It Differently22:28 Unveil The Origin: 1607, Coriolanus23:33 Our First Hologram Guest Should Be Shakespeare23:53 Sicinius, The Tribune, And The Coached Lie25:47 The Play Is Literally About Grain: The Corn Riot28:34 Inverted Debut: The First Use Was Inauthentic33:47 Kayla Does Not Fly Southwest37:54 Every Source On Earth Says Carpentry38:45 Gary Martin Is The Only One Who Checked39:51 Retroactive Etymological Rationalization42:16 Seed Oils, And Things That Sound True44:34 What Clickbait Did To Writing51:39 Is Any Of This Real? Clickbait Meets AI53:20 À Rebours, Bad Religion, And Garth Brooks55:44 Evaluative Reversal: When The Act Stops Mattering57:36 Do You Own “Going Against The Grain”?58:44 Building A Space For Us, By Us1:00:40 Twenty: Save The Last Dance1:04:23 The Phrase As A Banner People Wave1:08:23 The Appraisal: Power1:11:12 Speed1:12:07 Preference, Handed To The Guest1:13:31 Dictionary Of Misinformation1:15:04 The Kremlin Is Not A Building1:16:11 Where To Find Kinara Bookstore1:17:43 Shop, Credits, And Where To Find Us REFERENCED IN THIS EPISODEWilliam Shakespeare, Coriolanus (c. 1607–08) · Plutarch, via North's translation · Merriam-Webster · Dictionary.com · Gary Martin, Phrase Finder · J.-K. Huysmans, À rebours (1884), published in English as Against the Grain · Bad Religion, Against the Grain (1990) · Garth Brooks, “Against the Grain,” written by Bruce Bouton, Larry Cordle and Carl Jackson · Marion Nestle, NYU · Gladiator (2000) · Training Day (2001) · Save the Last Dance (2001) GUEST: Kayla, founder of Kinara Bookstore — Tulsa's pop-up bookstore centering Black, brown, queer and disabled readers. Instagram, Threads and TikTok @kinara.books · kinarabookstore.com COMMENT: Have you ever actually gone against the grain, or did you just say you did? And settle this for us — open seating or assigned? ATP SHOP — every phrase gets a grade. Some of them get a mug.appraisethephrase.com/shop THE BRACKET — the board keeps filling. Tournament comes March 2027. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.