Concrete Logic

Seth Tandett

What is the most used manmade material on Earth? You guessed it – concrete. In each episode of Concrete Logic, we will explore one concrete-related topic with the help of industry professionals that are shaping the future of the trade. We’ll talk with suppliers, contractors, architects, engineers, specialists, and even some proponents of competing materials about their views of concrete and their vision of its future.

  1. EP #146: Patents vs. Trade Secrets — Protect Your Concrete Ideas

    JAN 29

    EP #146: Patents vs. Trade Secrets — Protect Your Concrete Ideas

    PRESENTED BY: CONCRETE LOGIC ACADEMY Practical education and ongoing development for concrete professionals at every stage of their career. Join here: https://www.concretelogicacademy.com/ EPISODE SUMMARY If you’re building something new in this industry—mix designs, equipment, software, processes—there’s a good chance you’re creating intellectual property… without realizing it. In this episode, Seth Tandett sits down with Chen Wang, CEO of Steelike, to talk patents, trade secrets, NDAs, and the real-world decisions that decide whether you protect your advantage—or hand it to someone else. This isn’t legal theory. It’s how innovation actually gets copied in construction, why “we’ll just patent it” is usually oversimplified, and what a smart IP strategy looks like when you’re trying to build a business. WHAT YOU’LL LEARN · The difference between patents, trade secrets, and copyrights (and why it matters) · When a patent makes sense—and when it can create new headaches · How trade secrets can last forever (but only if you treat them like secrets) · What you should protect: formulations, processes, tooling, or workflow · Why NDAs are common—and why they don’t magically solve everything · How enforcement really works when someone copies your idea · The biggest misconceptions about IP in construction and engineering · How to build an IP strategy that matches your business model CHAPTERS 00:00 – Understanding intellectual property in construction 05:00 – The basics of intellectual property 08:34 – When to patent vs. keep a trade secret 10:32 – Deciding what to protect: formulations and processes 13:52 – Enforcing patents and trade secrets 15:58 – The risks and rewards of patents 18:47 – Identifying valuable trade secrets 20:05 – Protecting your ideas before sharing 23:33 – Navigating NDAs in the construction industry 25:24 – Developing an IP strategy 27:37 – Misconceptions about IP in construction GUEST INFO Chen Wang, CEO Steelike Chen@steelike.com https://steelike.com/ CONCRETE LOGIC PARTNERS INTELLIGENT CONCRETE Concrete not behaving the way it should? Dr. Jon Belkowitz and the Intelligent Concrete team combine lab-level testing with real-world field experience to get to the root cause of performance issues—not just treat the symptoms. https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/intelligent-concrete CONCRETE LOGIC ACADEMY Earn PDHs in the same straight-talk format as the podcast: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/academy SUPPORT THE PODCAST Did you get value out of the show? Give some value back: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/donate Buy your KUIU work & hunting gear and 10% goes to the show. No added cost to you: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/kuiu Media, sponsorship, or content inquiries: seth@concretelogicpodcast.com CREDITS Producer: Karl Watson, Jodi Tandett & Concrete Logic Media Music by Mike Dunton: https://www.mdunton.com/ WHERE TO FIND SETH https://www.linkedin.com/in/seth-tandett/ https://www.youtube.com/@concretelogicpodcast https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com

    37 min
  2. EP #145: The 75-Year Concrete Design Life We’ve Stopped Talking About

    JAN 20

    EP #145: The 75-Year Concrete Design Life We’ve Stopped Talking About

    We design concrete for 75 years. So why are we okay watching it fail in 12 to 24 months? That’s the uncomfortable question Seth Tandett puts on the table with Dr. Jon Belkowitz in this episode. Codes, specifications, and budgets are still written around a 50–75 year design life. But in the field, concrete surfaces are scaling, wearing, and failing in as little as a year or two. Instead of revisiting that original promise, the industry seems stuck reacting to failures instead of asking why they’re happening. This conversation challenges some long‑held assumptions about specifications, durability, performance testing, and why compressive strength tells us almost nothing about whether concrete will actually last. This isn’t about theory. It’s about what’s showing up on real projects—and why no one seems willing to talk about the gap between what we design for and what we’re getting. WHAT YOU’LL LEARN  · Why the 75‑year design life quietly disappeared from industry conversations  · How concrete surfaces went from 20–30 year service expectations to failing in 12–24 months  · Why compressive strength is one of the most forgiving—and misleading—tests we rely on  · What durability indicators actually matter if service life is the goal  · How prescriptive specs box everyone in and protect no one  · Why performance‑based specifications are the only real path forward  · What Peter Taylor’s work gets right about protecting the concrete surface  · How warranty language misses durability altogether  · Why practical field intelligence keeps getting ignored CHAPTERS  00:00 – Intro and how to support the Concrete Logic Podcast  03:42 – Why we stopped talking about 75‑year design life  06:30 – The disconnect between specs and field performance  08:59 – Why compressive strength doesn’t equal durability  12:07 – The industry’s reliance on paper over field reality  14:34 – Why specifications need to change  15:22 – Prescription vs performance‑based specs  19:12 – What should actually be specified for durability  21:28 – Using performance tests to enforce accountability  25:22 – Warranty periods and real‑world consequences  28:07 – The concrete surface as the first line of defense  31:30 – What the industry really lost—and how to get it back GUEST INFO  Dr. Jon Belkowitz  Intelligent Concrete  https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/guests/jon-belkowitz/ CONCRETE LOGIC PARTNERS   INTELLIGENT CONCRETE  Concrete not behaving the way it should?  Dr. Jon Belkowitz and the Intelligent Concrete team combine lab‑level testing with real‑world field experience to get to the root cause of performance issues—not just treat the symptoms.  https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/intelligent-concrete CONCRETE LOGIC ACADEMY  Earn PDHs in the same straight‑talk format as the podcast:  https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/academy SUPPORT THE PODCAST  Did you get value out of the show? Give some value back:  https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/donate Buy your KUIU work & hunting gear and 10% goes to the show. No added cost to you: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/kuiu Media, sponsorship, or content inquiries: seth@concretelogicpodcast.com CREDITS  Producer: Jodi Tandett & Concrete Logic Media  Music by Mike Dunton:  https://www.mdunton.com/ WHERE TO FIND SETH  https://www.linkedin.com/in/seth-tandett/ https://www.youtube.com/@concretelogicpodcast https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com

    37 min
  3. EP #144: Concrete Isn’t Too Expensive — The System Around It Is

    JAN 8

    EP #144: Concrete Isn’t Too Expensive — The System Around It Is

    Concrete Is Losing on Cost. Here’s How to Take It Back. Concrete keeps getting priced out of jobs, not because it can’t compete, but because we keep doing the same things the same way.   In this episode, Seth Tandett sits down with Rich Szecsy to talk about where concrete costs actually come from and why material price increases are only part of the story. They walk through how specs, local codes, labor assumptions, and risk avoidance quietly stack the deck against concrete, even when it’s the better material.   This isn’t a theoretical discussion. It’s a practical look at what contractors, engineers, and producers can question, change, and push back on if they actually want concrete to stay competitive.   WHAT YOU’LL LEARN ·       Why concrete keeps losing bids to steel and other materials ·       How self-compacting concrete can cut labor without cutting performance ·       Where specifications quietly drive cost more than material prices ·       How local codes create massive cost disparities for the same building ·       Why fear of sharing ideas slows innovation across the industry ·       How small, incremental changes can unlock real savings ·       Why understanding the full contractual chain matters more than mix price ·       What questions teams should be asking earlier to avoid cost traps   CHAPTERS 00:00 – Intro and how to support the Concrete Logic Podcast 02:36 – Why concrete is struggling to compete on cost 05:32 – Self-compacting concrete and labor reduction 08:18 – How specifications quietly drive cost 10:55 – Engineering challenges baked into specs 13:44 – Local codes and why the same building costs more in different cities 16:31 – The industry’s fear of sharing ideas 18:58 – Incremental changes that actually move the needle 21:32 – Local regulations and hidden cost multipliers 23:56 – Asking better questions earlier   GUEST INFO Rich Szecsy Bio: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/guests/rich-szecsy/ CONCRETE LOGIC PARTNERS INTELLIGENT CONCRETE Concrete not behaving the way it should? At Intelligent Concrete, Dr. Jon Belkowitz and his team combine lab-level testing with real-world field experience to get to the root of performance issues, not just the symptoms. https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/intelligent-concrete CONCRETE LOGIC ACADEMY Earn PDHs in the same straight-talk format as the podcast: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/academy SUPPORT THE PODCAST Did you get value out of the show? Give some value back: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/donate Buy your KUIU work & hunting gear and 10% goes to the show. No added cost to you: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/kuiu Media, sponsorship, or content inquiries: seth@concretelogicpodcast.com CREDITS Producer: Jodi Tandett & Concrete Logic Media Music by Mike Dunton: https://www.mdunton.com/ WHERE TO FIND SETH https://www.linkedin.com/in/seth-tandett/ https://www.youtube.com/@concretelogicpodcast https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com

    30 min
  4. EP #143: Analog vs. DIGITAL Concrete Formwork

    12/30/2025

    EP #143: Analog vs. DIGITAL Concrete Formwork

    Most concrete looks the way it does for one simple reason. We keep designing around the forms we know how to build. In this episode, Seth sits down with Darren Baldwin, President of PIKUS, to break down the real difference between analog formwork and digital formwork—and why that distinction quietly limits what architects, engineers, and contractors think is even possible with concrete. This is not a hype-filled “3D printing is the future” conversation. It’s a practical discussion about where digital formwork actually works, where it absolutely doesn’t, and why architectural concrete—not structure—is where this technology earns its keep.  WHAT YOU’LL LEARN  • What “analog vs. digital formwork” really means in construction terms  • When digital formwork beats precast on cost, logistics, and constructability  • How curves, grade changes, and non-repeatable geometry break traditional forms  • Why lack of data (and testing) still blocks structural adoption  • Why architects keep designing square stuff when they don’t have to  CHAPTERS 00:00 – Intro and how to support the Concrete Logic Podcast 02:30 – Analog vs. digital formwork explained 04:10 – Is this just 3D concrete printing? 05:40 – When digital formwork makes economic sense 07:10 – Grade changes, curves, and non-repeatable geometry 09:20 – Testing, engineering, and the structural data gap 14:40 – Remodels, access constraints, and why lightweight matters 16:05 – Leave-in-place printed formwork (and why it’s not the focus) 19:30 – Digital concrete + millwork integration 21:20 – How to reach Darren / PIKUS  GUEST INFO  Darren Baldwin  PIKUS  https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/guests/darren-baldwin/  INTELLIGENT CONCRETE  Concrete not behaving the way it should?   At Intelligent Concrete, Dr. Jon Belkowitz and his team combine lab-level testing with real-world field experience to get to the root of performance issues, not just the symptoms.   If you want data you can trust and answers you can use, learn more at https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/intelligent-concrete CONCRETE LOGIC ACADEMY  Earn PDHs in the same straight-talk format as the podcast:  https://www.concretelogicacademy.com SUPPORT THE PODCAST  Support the show directly:  https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/donate KUIU helps support the podcast:  https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/kuiu Media, sponsorship, or content inquiries: seth@concretelogicpodcast.com CREDITS  Producer: Jodi Tandett & Concrete Logic Media  Music by Mike Dunton: https://www.mdunton.com/ WHERE TO FIND SETH https://www.linkedin.com/in/seth-tandett/ https://www.youtube.com/@concretelogicpodcast https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com

    27 min
  5. EP #142 Concrete Moisture Myths Busted

    12/18/2025

    EP #142 Concrete Moisture Myths Busted

    Most people think moisture problems in concrete come from below the slab. Concrete Bob Higgins explains why that assumption keeps blowing up floors. In this episode, Bob Higgins breaks down how moisture actually moves through concrete, why liquid water and water vapor are not the same thing, and how alkalinity quietly does more damage than most people realize. We also get into why common moisture testing methods are misused, why surface damage matters more than deep readings, and how outdated standards keep throwing contractors under the bus. If you’ve ever wondered why floors fail even when the numbers “look fine,” this one connects the dots. What You’ll Learn ·       Why moisture in concrete is not just “moisture” ·       The difference between liquid water, water vapor, and chemically bound moisture ·       Why relative humidity testing is often misunderstood — and misapplied ·       How alkalinity concentrates at the surface and drives real damage ·       Why many moisture problems come from the top, not the soil ·       What self-desiccation is and why you can’t fix it once it happens ·       How material changes in cement quietly broke old assumptions ·       Why contractors keep getting blamed for problems they didn’t cause Chapters 00:00 – Why Moisture in Concrete Is Misunderstood 01:15 – The Different Forms of Moisture That Matter 03:30 – Why the Center of Concrete Often Doesn’t Dry 06:40 – The Problem With RH Probes and Surface Damage 10:30 – Why Cement Chemistry Changed the Rules 12:30 – What Alkalinity Really Is (and Why pH Misses the Point) 15:45 – Why New Cements Can Self-Desiccate 18:45 – Irreversible Damage From Heat and Chemistry 21:45 – Vapor Barriers, Curling, and Old Assumptions 24:30 – Why Most Moisture Comes From the Surface 28:45 – The Stack Effect Explained 31:30 – Why RH Numbers Don’t Match Real Failures 35:45 – What Needs to Change Going Forward 39:20 – Final Thoughts Guest Info Name: Bob Higgins Email: rcconsulting.higgins@gmail.com Webpage: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/guests/robert-higgins/ Intelligent Concrete Concrete not behaving the way it should? At Intelligent Concrete, Dr. Jon Belkowitz and his team combine lab-level testing with real-world field experience to get to the root of performance issues, not just the symptoms. If you want data you can trust and answers you can use, learn more at https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/intelligent-concrete Concrete Logic Academy Earn PDHs in the same straight-talk format as the podcast: https://www.concretelogicacademy.com Support the Podcast Support the show directly: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/donate KUIU helps support the podcast: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/kuiu Media, sponsorship, or content inquiries: seth@concretelogicpodcast.com Credits Producer: Frank Stankunas, Jodi Tandett & Concrete Logic Media Music by Mike Dunton: https://www.mdunton.com/ Where to Find Seth Seth Tandett — concrete nerd and host of the Concrete Logic Podcast. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seth-tandett/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@concretelogicpodcast Podcast Website: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com

    45 min
  6. EP #141: Concrete Data - How to Spot the BS

    12/09/2025

    EP #141: Concrete Data - How to Spot the BS

    Most people believe the chart on the screen — Dr. Jon explains why you shouldn’t. If you’ve ever sat in a conference session staring at a chart and wondering whether you’re seeing real data or a dressed-up story, this episode is for you. Dr. Jon Belkowitz breaks down how data in the concrete industry is often stretched, normalized, cherry-picked, or misleading — and how to spot it before making decisions that affect a structure’s performance. We get into why people present data, what questions you should ask before trusting it, what error bars mean, and when it’s time to ask tougher questions. This conversation also touches on motivations, funding sources, normalized datasets, Purdue-Pharma-style chart tricks, and why peer review still matters. What You’ll Learn  Why is data really presented in this industry — truth, persuasion, or something in between? How charts can hide peaks or exaggerate trends What error bars actually mean and why they matter When to question normalized or percentage-based data Signs that a dataset should be tossed out completely How to read peer-reviewed papers quickly without wasting time Why checking funding sources matters Why asking questions doesn’t make you “anti” anything   Chapters 00:00 – Why We’re Talking About Data 01:00 – What Motivates People to Present Data 04:00 – The Role of Data in Confidence and Decision-Making 07:30 – Normalized Data and How It Can Mislead 12:00 – Purdue-Pharma-Style Chart Tricks 15:30 – What Error Bars Actually Tell You 21:00 – When to Question What You’re Being Shown 25:30 – Reading Research Papers Without Wasting Time 30:00 – Motivation, Funding, and Hidden Bias 34:00 – Final Thoughts Guest Info Name: Dr. Jon Belkowitz Company: Intelligent Concrete Email: jon@intelligent-concrete.com Website: www.intelligent-concrete.com Concrete Logic Academy Earn PDHs in the same straight-talk format as the podcast: https://www.concretelogicacademy.com Support the Podcast Support the show: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/donate KUIU helps support the podcast: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/kuiu Media, sponsorship, or content inquiries: seth@concretelogicpodcast.com Credits Producer: Douglas H. Clarke, Jodi Tandett & Concrete Logic Media Music by Mike Dunton: https://www.mdunton.com/ Where to Find Seth Seth Tandett — concrete nerd and host of the Concrete Logic Podcast. LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/seth-tandett/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@concretelogicpodcast Podcast Website: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com

    42 min
  7. EP #140: Building the #1 Concrete Contractor in America: Grit, Growth & 50+ Years of Lessons

    11/27/2025

    EP #140: Building the #1 Concrete Contractor in America: Grit, Growth & 50+ Years of Lessons

    Everyone in the concrete world knows the Baker name, but very few know the real story.    This episode finally gets it on record. Dan Baker walks through how the company started with three brothers, $500, and a truck that needed a hill to start — and how it grew into ENR’s #1 concrete contractor in America.    Dan lays out the moves, the mistakes, the risks, and the mindset shifts required to grow from residential slabs to major industrial, stadiums, and billion-dollar work. If you're trying to scale a concrete company, this episode is a roadmap.   WHAT YOU’LL LEARN  What allowed Baker to jump from residential flatwork to commercial and industrial work The key moment that changed the company’s trajectory forever Why the first stadium project lost seven figures — and what Dan did next When to hire someone smarter than you (and why you may have to pay them more than yourself) Why Dan says contractors must “either know or should have known” when things go wrong How to build a reputation that actually carries you into bigger work   CHAPTERS  00:00 – Why this is the most requested interview in show history  01:24 – The real origins of Baker Concrete in 1968  09:59 – Learning concrete the hard way (and the right way)  17:40 – The A-frame job that changed everything  23:27 – Turner hands Baker the total-package blueprint  26:50 – What it truly takes to “cross over” in this industry  37:25 – Losing a million dollars on a stadium — and still going after the Bengals  42:50 – Becoming (and staying) #1  48:11 – Dan explains the “Amish Marines” mindset  50:17 – People. Honor. Grit. Baker’s core in one sentence.   GUEST INFO  Dan Baker  Founder, Baker Concrete Construction  Bio: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/guests/daniel-l-baker/ Company: Baker Construction Enterprises Website: https://www.bakerconstruction.com   SUPPORT THE PODCAST If you learned something from this conversation — consider donating. It keeps the show independent and education-first: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/support/ PODCAST PARTNERS INTELLIGENT CONCRETE Want advanced concrete training, petrography education, mix-design science, and materials research? Visit Intelligent Concrete at: www.concretelogicpodcast.com/intelligent-concrete CONCRETE LOGIC ACADEMY Early access to episodes, PDH courses, technical deep-dives, and a place to sharpen your concrete knowledge:  https://www.concretelogicacademy.com KUIU KUIU gear link (first orders get 15% off): www.concretelogicpodcast.com/KUIU CREDITS Produced by: Jodi Tandett & Concrete Logic Media Music by: Mike Dunton — https://www.mdunton.com CONNECT WITH US Host: Seth Tandett LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethtandett/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@concretelogicpodcast Website: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com Like, subscribe, comment, and share the show. Let’s keep it concrete.

    1h 2m
  8. EP #139: Concrete Reality Check - INDOT Calls Out the Cement Industry

    11/18/2025

    EP #139: Concrete Reality Check - INDOT Calls Out the Cement Industry

    Indiana just told the cement industry it won’t accept any blended cement with more than 10% limestone. That’s a first - and it’s not sitting well with the people who pushed Type IL cement in the first place. For the first time, a state DOT pushed back on Type IL cement—and the industry fired back. Indiana’s Department of Transportation says it’s protecting performance after bridge decks started scaling. The American Cement Association says the DOT’s new limits are unnecessary, confusing, and unscientific. So, who’s right—and what does it mean for the rest of the country’s concrete? What You’ll Learn  • Why INDOT limited Type IL limestone content to 10%  • The ACA’s objections — and what’s left unsaid  • How PCA’s 2021 carbon-neutrality roadmap and the federal Buy Clean program accelerated the switch to Type IL • Why the “one-to-one replacement” claim may have been oversold • How variable limestone content (≈7.6–12.4%) affects consistency and performance • Why admixtures and curing aren’t substitutes for good practice • What INDOT’s maintenance and inspection programs get right • Why other DOTs may follow Indiana’s lead next Chapters  00:00 – Introduction & ACA Briefing Overview  01:00 – INDOT’s 10% Limit and Industry Response  04:00 – How Type IL Cement Took Over the Market  07:30 – PCA Roadmap & Federal Buy Clean Pressure  10:30 – Complacency and the One-to-One Myth  14:00 – What Really Drove the 2021–2023 Flip  18:00 – Cement Chemistry and QC in the Field  22:00 – The Variability Problem: 7.6% vs 12.4% Limestone  26:30 – Are Admixtures and Curing the Real Culprits?  30:00 – INDOT’s Data-Driven Maintenance Approach  32:00 – Why Other States Are Watching Closely Guest Info  Dr. Jon Belkowitz – Chief Technical Officer, Intelligent Concrete  Email: jon@intelligent-concrete.com  Website: https://www.intelligent-concrete.com Concrete Logic Academy  Earn your PDHs the logical way.  Explore practical courses made for contractors, engineers, and producers.  Free trial: https://www.concretelogicacademy.com Support the Podcast  Support the show and be listed as a Producer for life on the episode page:  https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/support Media & Sponsorship Inquiries: seth@concretelogicpodcast.com Podcast Partners Intelligent Concrete  At Intelligent Concrete, we combine lab precision with field expertise to help you understand what your concrete is telling you. Our services include mix troubleshooting, forensic and petrographic testing, performance-based specification and admixture development, and training for engineers, contractors, and producers. Whether you’re chasing consistency, durability, or answers after a failure, Intelligent Concrete delivers the data and insight to solve problems and improve performance.  Learn more: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/intelligent-concrete KUIU (Affiliate Link) – https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com/kuiu 15% off the first order. Credits Produced by Jodi Tandett & Concrete Logic Media Music by Mike Dunton — https://www.mdunton.com Connectivity Host: Seth Tandett Concrete Visionary | Business Development at Baker Construction | Host of the #1 Concrete Podcast LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sethtandett/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@concretelogicpodcast Website: https://www.concretelogicpodcast.com If you learned something new, share this episode with your team and help more engineers and builders think logically about concrete. Until next time, let’s keep it concrete! Reference Links ACA Briefing: “Portland-Limestone Cement Limits in Indiana Department of Transportation Specifications” (October 2025 Update) — https://tinyurl.com/TypeILINDOT Recurring Special Provision 901-M-069 (Effective December 1, 2025): https://www.in.gov/dot/div/contracts/standards/rsp/sep25/900/901-M-069%20251201.pdfINDOT Testing Memos Referenced in ACA Briefing:  • 21-05 • 22-02 • 23-01 • 24-03 • 25-02 (Available at https://www.in.gov/indot/doing-business-with-indot/contractorsconstruction/division-of-materials-and-tests/current-testing-memos/)

    39 min
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What is the most used manmade material on Earth? You guessed it – concrete. In each episode of Concrete Logic, we will explore one concrete-related topic with the help of industry professionals that are shaping the future of the trade. We’ll talk with suppliers, contractors, architects, engineers, specialists, and even some proponents of competing materials about their views of concrete and their vision of its future.

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